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hatrack

(59,592 posts)
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 10:37 AM Nov 2022

"Only A Category 1 Hurricane" - 49 Beachfront Buildings Declared Unsafe In Volusia County Alone

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Above, damages to Florida coastline from Nicole show that even minor storms are now capable of major damages, if they are riding on higher sea levels, in a warmer atmosphere.

My video below was made in 2013, not long after Hurricane Sandy, which made landfall as barely a Cat 1 storm, devastated the Northeast. Scott Mandia’s quote is the one that sticks in my mind – “Now storms that technically aren’t major hurricanes are causing major hurricane damage.”



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https://climatecrocks.com/2022/11/11/only-a-category-1-no-longer-reassuring/#more-79834
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"Only A Category 1 Hurricane" - 49 Beachfront Buildings Declared Unsafe In Volusia County Alone (Original Post) hatrack Nov 2022 OP
It may have been only a Cat 1 but Ian was just weeks ago Deuxcents Nov 2022 #1
What I would like to know is why the "MSM" FalloutShelter Nov 2022 #2
My mom sold her home in May just 15 miles north of there exboyfil Nov 2022 #3
I almost feel bad for these folks except they were warned. They took a chance and lost everything. Srkdqltr Nov 2022 #4
The government should not have to pay to repeatedly rebuild beach properties Wicked Blue Nov 2022 #5
Carl Sagan llashram Nov 2022 #6
"Category 1" is only a statement about wind speeds. PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2022 #7
A reasonable assumption . . . hatrack Nov 2022 #8
That was the book I was thinking of. PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2022 #9
Rising, by Delphinus Nov 2022 #10

Deuxcents

(16,314 posts)
1. It may have been only a Cat 1 but Ian was just weeks ago
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 10:44 AM
Nov 2022

And was just devastating for both coasts..Ian set up Nicole for the final punch. It’s heartbreaking seeing people’s lives washed away but this won’t be the last time. We have got to be making smarter choices w/ our environment

FalloutShelter

(11,877 posts)
2. What I would like to know is why the "MSM"
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 10:52 AM
Nov 2022

is totally ignoring this?

There is room for more than one story in the 24hr news cycle.

They will condemn much of this beach front property. The insurance companies are in the tank. They are not writing new policies. It will be unsustainable to live in many parts of Florida. This is BIG news in terms of the devastation of climate change.



exboyfil

(17,865 posts)
3. My mom sold her home in May just 15 miles north of there
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 10:59 AM
Nov 2022

She wasn't directly on the beach but about 600 feet from the ocean. She did have a nice elevated dune, but such a set up had gotten breached in Fagler Beach a few years before.

It is every year now. It didn't use to be like that. This is the second storm that has done serious damage in Volusa County this year.

Srkdqltr

(6,315 posts)
4. I almost feel bad for these folks except they were warned. They took a chance and lost everything.
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 11:01 AM
Nov 2022

They will be back. The hotel will clean the beach and go on . I don't know how swimming will be with all that crap in the water, although I'm sure that can be cleaned.

Wicked Blue

(5,850 posts)
5. The government should not have to pay to repeatedly rebuild beach properties
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 11:01 AM
Nov 2022

At some point we need to get serious and condemn buildings in beachfront zones that are vulnerable to sea rise and coastal erosion.

There are precedents for buyouts on flood prone land.

I lived in Wayne, NJ when growing up. There was an area along the Passaic River in Wayne that often had massive floods. After heavy rains and flooding year people had to be rescued by boat. People who lived there were stuck. They couldn't sell their homes, and if they abandoned them, they would lose whatever equity they had.

This went on for decades. Finally federal funds were obtained to buy out homes in flood-prone areas. As of 2017, Wayne had received $91 million in government funds to buy out 394 homes. The houses were torn down, and areas restored to their natural state.

I don't believe the buy out process has finished, but couldn't find any more recent articles.





llashram

(6,265 posts)
6. Carl Sagan
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 12:30 PM
Nov 2022

in the early '80s warned us of the warming climate(s) and danger to our world. Most went about their day saying 'so what Carl'. So here we are now almost 40 years later. I'm 74 and seeing, experiencing the change now. Great-grandchildren will be in deep doo I think and this is only my take on the environmental state of the world.
https://gizmodo.com/heres-carl-sagans-original-essay-on-the-dangers-of-cl-1481304135
if only we had listened and not let the Saudis and oil companies dictate the truth for profit only.
https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2021/11/11/how-close-are-we-to-climate-tipping-points/

I was taken with the clean skies over major industrial cities-countries during the early Covid pandemic. I loved it. The roads were so unclogged with traffic.

Even the lies of the trump administration A ND the pressure they exerted on the CDC to lie did not stop the clean-up, in hindsight of course.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,894 posts)
7. "Category 1" is only a statement about wind speeds.
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 12:41 PM
Nov 2022

Thanks to global warming and rising oceans, all that damage shown is from the tidal surge.

I happen to know someone who moved to Florida about 6 months ago, bought a home on the beach. All I could think of when I saw that on FB was, Does she not understand that climate change is real? Yesterday she posted videos she took outside there home, and some show some of the same buildings in the videos you posted.

It's all I can do not to post on her FB page something about is she reconsidering that move?

I gathered they got their place for something of a bargain, but never gave much thought about why that might have been. In one of the books I read about climate change about two years ago, the author said that already some developers and high-rise owners in coastal Florida were quietly getting out of those properties, which I thought was interesting.

hatrack

(59,592 posts)
8. A reasonable assumption . . .
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 01:21 PM
Nov 2022

Assumption: there are already 30-year mortgages in force in Florida for houses that will not physically exist in 30 years. Hundreds, certainly; thousands or tens of thousands seems more likely.

Read "The Water Will Come" by Jeff Goodell. Those in power in Florida - in government, in real estate, in banking - they all know. They just don't care, because "I'll be dead by then" or "I'll be retired by then" or "I'll have found a bigger idiot by then".

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,894 posts)
9. That was the book I was thinking of.
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 04:37 PM
Nov 2022

I thought I'd read that it is becoming increasingly difficult to get a 30 year mortgage in Florida these days. Don't know if that's accurate.

Another excellent book, this one about deserts, droughts, and lack of water, is Cadillac Desert by Marc Reisner. It's actually almost 30 years old, but still very timely.

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