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Eugene

(67,092 posts)
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 08:43 AM Jan 2023

Photos from space show 11,000 beavers are wreaking havoc on the Alaskan tundra as savagely as wildfi

Source: Business Insider

Photos from space show 11,000 beavers are wreaking havoc on the Alaskan tundra as savagely as wildfire

Morgan McFall-Johnsen
Tue, January 3, 2023 at 5:15 PM EST·6 min read

Beavers are taking over the Alaskan tundra, completely transforming its waterways, and accelerating climate change in the Arctic.

The changes are so sudden and drastic that they're clearly visible from space.

As the Arctic tundra warms, woody plants are growing along its rivers and streams, creating perfect habitats for beavers.

As the furry rodents move into these waterways, they make themselves at home by doing what they do best: chewing and carrying wood to build dams, and clogging rapid rivers and streams to make lush ponds.

What was once a thin line of water cutting across the tundra has become a train of bulbous beaver ponds:

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Read more: https://news.yahoo.com/photos-space-show-11-000-221546256.html

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Photos from space show 11,000 beavers are wreaking havoc on the Alaskan tundra as savagely as wildfi (Original Post) Eugene Jan 2023 OP
Hello? We did that. Voltaire2 Jan 2023 #1
Exactly.. See my earlier post. hlthe2b Jan 2023 #3
That was my first thought, too. Klondike Kat Jan 2023 #4
Interesting, given beavers are being reintroduced in areas of the west hlthe2b Jan 2023 #2
Exactly! nt pazzyanne Jan 2023 #5
Beavers have a place in the ecosystem as a keystone species, but thawing permafrost Eugene Jan 2023 #23
S, it's "furry rodents" now, is it? jaxexpat Jan 2023 #6
Scientifically... GB_RN Jan 2023 #7
Yeah, you guys with the sciency-schmiency. jaxexpat Jan 2023 #9
Here are a couple comparison sat images BumRushDaShow Jan 2023 #8
Okay, they're rodents. Like rabbits. I get it. jaxexpat Jan 2023 #11
rabbits are NOT rodents, they are lagomorphs pirsquared Jan 2023 #13
Thanks for that "extra incisorive" report. jaxexpat Jan 2023 #27
Perhaps the fur trade can get going again BumRushDaShow Jan 2023 #19
I just read that somewhere. What a coincidence. jaxexpat Jan 2023 #36
My money is on BumRushDaShow Jan 2023 #37
Didn't waste any time, did they? hatrack Jan 2023 #26
Give those guys from Primus some banjos BumRushDaShow Jan 2023 #29
dammit Wicked Blue Jan 2023 #10
So the beavers are drilling for oil & gas as they mine coal after which they burn it to produce CO2 Botany Jan 2023 #12
+1 TeamProg Jan 2023 #15
I'm Sure That The Predators Deep State Witch Jan 2023 #14
I don't see the problem. docgee Jan 2023 #16
See; TeamProg Jan 2023 #17
Thanks docgee Jan 2023 #20
Water holds heat Random Boomer Jan 2023 #25
The planet will be fine, the majority of humans, not so much. n/t TeamProg Jan 2023 #18
I wonder how long it would take for all presence of mankind to be gone if we ceased to be? 500 yrs? Evolve Dammit Jan 2023 #28
The beavers are only there because of climate change... Wounded Bear Jan 2023 #21
The Rodentia family. Traildogbob Jan 2023 #22
Wildlife adapts Martin Eden Jan 2023 #24
Just ask the Castoroides. Now there's a beaver that suffered and died. Extinct even. jaxexpat Jan 2023 #32
That extinct beaver might have been even more dangerous Martin Eden Jan 2023 #33
Yeah, even with the extra incisors, Monty Python's rabbit wouldn't had stood a chance. jaxexpat Jan 2023 #35
Unbelievable amount of damage they can do. Historic NY Jan 2023 #30
I think we should re-home them Farmer-Rick Jan 2023 #31
Same thing happened in Western Ky where I used to farm. jaxexpat Jan 2023 #34

Voltaire2

(15,377 posts)
1. Hello? We did that.
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 09:03 AM
Jan 2023

The beavers are not causing global warming and thawing out the tundra. We are doing that.

Klondike Kat

(938 posts)
4. That was my first thought, too.
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 10:09 AM
Jan 2023

Beavers doing what comes naturally shouldn't really surprise anyone.

hlthe2b

(113,847 posts)
2. Interesting, given beavers are being reintroduced in areas of the west
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 09:04 AM
Jan 2023

to aid in recovery from wildfires


Beavers were hunted nearly to extinction by humans, causing major environmental damage, including more frequent flooding, smaller wetlands, diminished water quality, and less resilience to drought. This damage is being repaired by reintroducing beavers to former habitats.


https://regeneration.org/nexus/beavers

Eugene

(67,092 posts)
23. Beavers have a place in the ecosystem as a keystone species, but thawing permafrost
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 11:08 AM
Jan 2023

is throwing things out of balance and starting yet another feedback loop.

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
6. S, it's "furry rodents" now, is it?
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 10:18 AM
Jan 2023

My beaver, Bucky, would kick your butt if she weren't so busy. It's not easy living with a beaver. My hot tub looks like the set of "Sometimes a Great Notion". Never give a beaver a Keurig for Arbor Day unless you like talking to the HOA bitch at all hours.

GB_RN

(3,554 posts)
7. Scientifically...
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 10:26 AM
Jan 2023

The description is accurate. Beavers are members of the rodent family, cousins to squirrels, mice, rats, chipmunks, etc,.

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
9. Yeah, you guys with the sciency-schmiency.
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 10:30 AM
Jan 2023

You tell that to 60 lb's of cellulose addicted housemate and you're gonna lose a kitchen table leg. At the least.

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
11. Okay, they're rodents. Like rabbits. I get it.
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 10:35 AM
Jan 2023

By the time you finish reading this, it'll be 12,000 Alaskan beaver. Which, statistically speaking, means more Republicans. Just sayin'.

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
27. Thanks for that "extra incisorive" report.
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 11:20 AM
Jan 2023

You couldn't tell by me that beavers have fewer incisors than rabbits. You'd have to ask the live oak, that used to be in my front yard, now slowly circling my tub drain.

BumRushDaShow

(169,395 posts)
19. Perhaps the fur trade can get going again
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 10:58 AM
Jan 2023


I think what it is establishing is that a lot of that tundra that might have once been permafrost, now has the top layers of their soil thawed, and that has altered the places where these animals have been able to establish themselves - like how you have more and more stranded polar bears in unexpected places.
 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
36. I just read that somewhere. What a coincidence.
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 12:13 PM
Jan 2023

Let's move to Canadia and raise wildebeests. They won't mind the company.
Beaver pelts as a cash crop until the gnus come in. What a plan!

Botany

(77,272 posts)
12. So the beavers are drilling for oil & gas as they mine coal after which they burn it to produce CO2
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 10:45 AM
Jan 2023

... which causes climate change?

Deep State Witch

(12,706 posts)
14. I'm Sure That The Predators
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 10:54 AM
Jan 2023

I'm sure that the wolves and other predators will soon figure out where there is an overpopulation of beavers, and take care of that issue.

Random Boomer

(4,405 posts)
25. Water holds heat
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 11:15 AM
Jan 2023
Beaver ponds are warm oases in the tundra, since the still, deep water holds more heat than the rushing rivers that previously cut through.

That heat in the water escalates the thawing out of the tundra around the pond, which then releases more methane.

Evolve Dammit

(21,766 posts)
28. I wonder how long it would take for all presence of mankind to be gone if we ceased to be? 500 yrs?
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 11:23 AM
Jan 2023

Wounded Bear

(64,292 posts)
21. The beavers are only there because of climate change...
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 11:02 AM
Jan 2023

They are moving north as temps increase.

Traildogbob

(13,010 posts)
22. The Rodentia family.
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 11:07 AM
Jan 2023

Overpopulation of any species, plants, Animals, Protista, Monerans or Fungi will wreak havoc on the ecosystem they are in. When control mechanisms for them are removed. Beavers can and do create flooded acreage that most times are food producing areas, or are Timberlands and like it or not, people are hired to eradicate then. Many of My Wildiife grads were hired by Feds to eliminate problem animals. Some used dynamite to blow up Dams and trapping was used to kill them. You never live trap and relocate species to be an issue somewhere else. Some students are hired to kill birds near major airports. In Minnesota, beavers are trapped to protect timberland from floods. Interestingly, the beaver tails are a main staple to feed the wolves at the International Wolf Center in Ely.
Would anyone complain if another “Rodentia” was trapped and eliminated in say, New York City? Would anyone allow rats and the snakes they attract dwell peacefully in your homes? Cockroaches, they are in the animal kingdom. Maybe if rats had flat, or fury tails they would get some love. Beavers reproduce just like rats, as they are big rats. The real problem is overpopulation of another species of animal. One that takes and consumes everything and contributes nothing back to the ecosystem. They destroy all systems they touch to make way for their own perceived needs, and leave poison in their wake.
We have taken away habitat for countless species that are like refugees, moving to where they have a chance to survive. Nature will ultimately thin out the bad players. The new Covid may just be the beginning. One species is the most Destructive of all, and contributes nothing, we do not even offer organic materials back to the soil, or feed detritus organisms, so if Mother Nature needs to balance, which one would she eliminate for the best of the whole?

Martin Eden

(15,587 posts)
24. Wildlife adapts
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 11:14 AM
Jan 2023

In response to changing ecology some species will thrive, and others will suffer.

What we're seeing in the Alaskan tundra is a natural consequence to manmade climate change which has, overall, mostly bad consequences for us.

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
32. Just ask the Castoroides. Now there's a beaver that suffered and died. Extinct even.
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 11:36 AM
Jan 2023

Which is probably a pretty good thing when you appreciate just how serious a >6' beaver with 6" teeth could get to your personal ecology.

Martin Eden

(15,587 posts)
33. That extinct beaver might have been even more dangerous
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 11:59 AM
Jan 2023

Than the rabbit from Monty Python's Holy Grail.

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
35. Yeah, even with the extra incisors, Monty Python's rabbit wouldn't had stood a chance.
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 12:07 PM
Jan 2023

But it would have been a good match to record.

Historic NY

(40,006 posts)
30. Unbelievable amount of damage they can do.
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 11:28 AM
Jan 2023

In the old days they were regularly trapped for their pelts. W/o controls, they can close interstates too. DEC seems to have been asleep on the job at the Stewart Airport Buffer Zone. For decades, they have had to relocate them, they might be letting the place go forever wild but even back when it was a farming community from 1729 to 1970s they were regularly hunted or trapped. Old farm ponds have become lakes.

https://wpdh.com/beavers-causing-mile-long-backup-on-busy-hudson-valley-highway/]

Farmer-Rick

(12,635 posts)
31. I think we should re-home them
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 11:28 AM
Jan 2023

Use to be a huge beaver population here around my farm but they aren't around anymore. They created a pond but that has washed out years ago.

Do they prefer the cold? Is the heat causing their migration?

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
34. Same thing happened in Western Ky where I used to farm.
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 12:03 PM
Jan 2023

We figured the great influx of coyotes culled them out of the neighborhood. When I was a kid the Ohio river flood plain was all rabbits, the occasional fox and birds. When I came home, 1982, to live after around 6 years away there were deer eating the edges of the soybean fields and ground hogs digging up the foundations of tobacco barns. They pretty much disappeared, as did the rabbits, when the coyotes came in the mid 80's. The beaver increase peaked in the late 90's. Haven't lived there since 2003 so I'm unaware of the latest "scourge". Probably penguins. A lot of the species migration must be from habitat disturbance. There was a push for drainage in the 70's which opened up a lot of woodland to farming. Whatever was living in those old swampy woods had to move somewhere. I've seen deer swim the river from Indiana. They had to be pretty determined because the river is around 3/4 to 1 mile wide there. 20 miles wide during winter-spring flood. Female and a fawn, both made it, and we watched them come ashore. It seemed you could have walked up to them and petted them as they stood there, they were so tired.

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