Bloomberg: China Has Set It Sights on Cornering Another Green Energy Market: Hydrogen

[Caribbeans]

China Has Set It Sights on Cornering Another Green Energy Market: Hydrogen

Bloomberg.com | David R Baker and Will Mathis | January 9, 2023

A decade ago, China used low prices to dominate solar manufacturing, wiping out Western competitors just as worldwide demand for panels started to soar. The US and Europe are determined not to let the same thing happen with hydrogen.

As the world sprints to decarbonize, the next round of competition revolves around a device called an electrolyzer. Plug these into clean electricity such as solar power, and it's possible to extract hydrogen from water without producing any planet-warming emissions. That's a crucial step in creating a green fuel capable of decarbonizing such industries as steel, cement or shipping.

Companies around the world are already revving up electrolyzer production, green hydrogen plants are under construction, and the industry is finally making the leap from pilot projects to industrial scale. BloombergNEF, a clean energy research group, estimates worldwide electrolyzer production will need to grow 91 times by 2030 to meet demand. But many Western clean tech veterans eye the emerging competition with a queasy feeling of déjà vu. More than 40% of all electrolyzers made today come from China, according to BNEF.

Chinese electrolyzers aren’t as efficient as those made in the US and Europe, but they cost far less—about a quarter of what Western companies charge. Chinese electrolyzer companies still largely serve their domestic market, but they’re starting to expand sales overseas...
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-10/is-green-hydrogen-the-fuel-of-the-future-china-us-europe-are-betting-on-it

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https://leaderpost.com/pmn/business-pmn/china-has-set-it-sights-on-cornering-another-green-energy-market-hydrogen

The REAL "Father of EV's" - one of the key people involved in moving China to H2

"Lead, Follow or GTF out of the way"

H2 naysayers can watch what happens

[Caribbeans]

1. To the skeptical: Remember Solar

Scientific American: Why China Is Dominating the Solar Industry

Between 2008 and 2013, China's solar-electric panel industry dropped world prices by 80 percent

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-china-is-dominating-the-solar-industry/

Many Americans didn't see the point of subsidizing Solar, instead trillions went to bombing and invading lands 8,000 miles away.

And what did that get the people of the US?

[NNadir]

5. Well, since the solar industry is useless and trivial, soaking up trillions of dollars for no...

...result that matters in the climate emergency, who really gives a rat's ass who dominates it?

[David__77]

2. Corporate welfare.

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[Hugh_Lebowski]

3. There's really nothing 'green' about Hydrogen at this point in our technological development

And solar and wind are only marginally better, but also not 'green'.

'Green' would be literally nobody has children for the next 20 or so years, having a 'global economy' that's NOT based entirely on 'endless growth and deficit spending' (as it currently is), and massive investment in nuclear power. If we can do all that, I'll NOT also say 'no sick, old people are kept alive unnecessarily due to sentimental concerns', but none of the above will happen, so ...

[Caribbeans]

7. That's false

but not surprising

[NNadir]

4. All the bullshit in the world cannot change the fact that China makes hydrogen from coal.

So called "green" hydrogen is a scam to put lipstick on the fact that hydrogen is a filthy fuel

[Caribbeans]

6. Because you and others ignore examples like this

does not mean they do not exist.

Thanks for the wide open investment lane though

Every single day China advances green hydrogen, like it or not. Or, ignore it!

I'd suggest you're becoming a caricature of yourself but I won't.

[NNadir]

8. I'm not ignoring anything, and that is the reason I can tell the difference between cheap...

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...marketing cartoons and reality.

I've posted, from the primary scientific literature lots and lots and lots of valid information about, um, reality, only to be asked to watch more insipid cartoons.

I repeatedly make reference to the near half a century of hydrogen bullshit, which materially, if not in terms of marketing technique is substantially unchanged since the 1970s.

To be perfectly honest, when I was a stupid kid - and I certainly was one - I thought wasting energy to make hydrogen was a good idea, mostly because I was so badly educated as to not understand the implications of physical laws.

Now, the current hyping and basically quasi-religious faith in this idiot scheme will not go away. There are always plenty of rubes who will believe anything.

Nevertheless, all the marketing in the world cannot convert a rabid squirrel into a thoroughbred race horse, and all the slick videos in the world can't make hydrogen into a primary source of energy.

In the next two weeks, the concentration of the dangerous fossil fuel waste carbon dioxide will once again exceed 420 ppm. As I noted elsewhere recently, when the Journal of Hydrogen Energy was founded in 1976 that level was almost 100 ppm lower. Part of the reason is that people carried on about silly ideas in the face of reality. Recently, not that slick marketeers read scientific literature - their contempt for it is legion - I pointed out that about 8 Exajoules of energy on this planet goes to making ammonia, the major application for the manufacture of hydrogen, in China by the steam reformation of the world's dirtiest fossil fuel, coal. Putting pictures of wind turbines and solar cells next to hydrogen bullshit is an obvious affront to reality, because after trillions of dollars squandered on it, solar and wind combined produced just 11 Exajoules of energy in 2021, in a year where world energy demand was 624 Exajoules.

Hydrogen energy is not worth the coal and gas and oil used to power the computers to hype it, never mind the energy wasted to manufacture it for purposes other than making ammonia and related chemicals.

From my perspective, every hydrogen vehicle hyped for which metal and energy resources are squandered is a threat to sustainability.

I don't expect to not see more such postings; religions are always hard to shake. But religions merely generate complacency and inaction in general. The task before humanity is on an unimaginable scale, and I do wish - not that I expect it to happen - that people who chant stale nonsense would simply get out of the way.

At the very least, such people could show a shred of evidence of having at least once, of having opened a science book and read the contents.

The matter is serious:

Week beginning on January 01, 2023: 419.31 ppm
Weekly value from 1 year ago: 417.55 ppm
Weekly value from 10 years ago: 394.96 ppm
Last updated: January 10, 2023

Weekly average CO2 at Mauna Loa

When I hear this kind of crap, I wish I could channel Joseph Welch.