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Poland generally has the highest carbon intensity for electricity in Europe, as they are heavily reliant on coal, although they are moving in the opposite direction of their German neighbors in working to displace coal with nuclear energy rather than doing what the Germans did, which is to replace nuclear with coal.
Overwhelmingly hydrogen is made from dangerous fossil fuels by steam reformation; in most places using methane, but in places with lots of coal, like China, and presumably Poland, coal. (Some is also made from petroleum residues in refineries, and used in situ to make petroleum products.)
From "Clean Technica:" Poland Bought Hydrogen Buses. Then The Fuel Bills Arrived
That matters because Poland is not a trivial case. It is a serious European transit market, a serious bus manufacturing country, and a coal-heavy economy trying to move. In 1990, coal provided about 98% of Polands electricity generation. By 2023, that had fallen to about 60.5%, while renewables had risen to about 27% of electricity production. That is still far too coal-heavy for a climate-stable grid, but it is also a large shift in a country with deep coal dependence, industrial inertia, mining politics, and a legacy power system built around lignite and hard coal.
That context makes the hydrogen bus detour more interesting. Poland chose hydrogen buses while battery-electric buses were scaling across Europe, charging infrastructure was spreading, and electricity was getting cleaner. The question is not whether Poland should decarbonize buses. The question is why scarce public money and municipal attention were directed toward a fuel-cell pathway that added cost, infrastructure risk, supply-chain risk, and weaker climate accounting when a direct electrification pathway was already available.
The answer starts with policy design. Polands hydrogen strategy treated public transport as a low-hanging fruit for creating a national hydrogen economy. The strategy set targets of 100 to 250 hydrogen buses by 2025 and 800 to 1,000 by 2030. It also set targets for fuelling stations and low-emission hydrogen production capacity. On paper, this created a tidy industrial story. Buses would create demand. Demand would justify refuelling stations. Refuelling stations would justify hydrogen production. Hydrogen production would help create a national industry. The problem is that buses are not an industrial-policy prop. They are public service machines. They exist to move people reliably, affordably, and with low emissions...
Hydrogen is not only dirty since it's made from fossil fuels with exergy destruction; it's unconscionably expensive:
I wrote about this problem in January 2025, when Polands hydrogen bus plans were already running into high hydrogen prices. At the time, 21 Polish municipalities had asked the national government for help with hydrogen operating costs. The mayors of Chełm and Wałbrzych wrote to the Minister for Climate and Environment seeking a support program to cover the price gap between hydrogen and traditional fuels. They estimated 35 million to 70 million would be required from 2025 to 2027 for several hundred buses, with annual costs rising to 46.7 million to 116.6 million afterward...
Poland's carbon intensity from electricity was, according to Electricity Map, 565 grams of carbon dioxide per kWh in 2025.
At the same time, that of France, which relies on nuclear energy that all of the fossil fuel marketeers around here want to rebrand as "hydrogen" hate, had a carbon intensity, again according to Electricity Map, of 31 grams of carbon dioxide per kWh.
In the "percent talk" that fossil fuel marketeers use to hype their fossil fuel front in a bait and switch scam, so called "renewable energy," the carbon intensity of Poland in 2025 was 1823% higher than that of France.
Have a nice day tomorrow.
hunter
(40,869 posts)I don't expect anything is going to change in the years I have left.
Me and the hydrogen economy go back to the 'seventies and early eighties. I knew personally some who were promoting it, possibly to the point where they dreaded seeing me -- especially after I did the math (to my own satisfaction) and decided the idea was not viable.
Much like the issue of fusion power some people must figure a hydrogen economy hasn't come about because we are not trying hard enough.
I figure the universe is against it.
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NNadir
(38,579 posts)My favorite - if one can have a favorite lie - is the slick videos about electrolytic hydrogen in China, a country building 90 coal plants to add to the more than 1000 it has now.
They usually come with pictures of vast stretches of wilderness destroyed with solar cells, a bait and switch tactic because the belief that solar energy is "green," another lie, remains entrenched.
We can always hear some crap as well about "white hydrogen" from people who think we should mine the fuck out of the planet to be sure future generations have zero resources.