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cbrer

(1,831 posts)
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 06:12 PM Sep 2012

Magic Engine under development

Convenient abbreviation...The MAGnesium Injection Cycle engine continues development by Mitsubishi engineering and the Tokyo Institute of Technology. We hope to see this hit the streets before 2020.

Zero hydrocarbons/fossil fuels.

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Magic Engine under development (Original Post) cbrer Sep 2012 OP
The nutshell story, Wikipedia style demwing Sep 2012 #1
Magnesium does react with water to create... TreasonousBastard Sep 2012 #2
The links from Wikipedia say a "solar-powered laser" is used to convert the magnesium oxide muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #3
That's hydrogen. nt eppur_se_muova Sep 2012 #4
Both, actually. n/ TreasonousBastard Sep 2012 #5
Uh ... steam IS water ... eppur_se_muova Oct 2012 #6
Well, whatever the chemical reaction is, if the story is credible freethought Oct 2012 #7

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
2. Magnesium does react with water to create...
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 09:12 PM
Sep 2012

steam, but getting the magnesium is usually done by electrolysis, so it seems like it's ultimately violating a few physical laws if you expect to get emission-free energy out of it.

muriel_volestrangler

(106,212 posts)
3. The links from Wikipedia say a "solar-powered laser" is used to convert the magnesium oxide
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 09:51 AM
Sep 2012

back to elemental magnesium. So the magnesium would be an energy carrier; the question will be the efficiency of the process.

Here's an Economist article from a couple of years ago:

To change this, he is developing a process using only renewable energy. Dr Yabe's solution is to use concentrated solar energy to power a laser, which is used to heat and ultimately burn magnesium oxide extracted from seawater—where, he says, there is enough magnesium to meet the world's energy needs for the next 300,000 years. A solar-pumped laser is necessary, he says, because concentrated solar energy alone would not be enough to generate the 3,700˚C temperatures required. Dr Yabe calls his approach the Magnesium Injection Cycle.

The pure magnesium can then be used as a fuel (its energy density is about ten times that of hydrogen). When the magnesium is mixed with water, it produces heat, boiling the water to produce steam, which can then drive a turbine and do useful work. The reaction also produces hydrogen, which can be burned to produce even more energy. The byproducts are water and magnesium oxide, which can then be converted back into magnesium using the solar laser.

The trouble is that concentrated solar collectors tend to be huge and costly, and solar-pumped lasers are normally very low powered. Dr Yabe's trick is to use relatively small Fresnel lenses—transparent and relatively thin planar lenses made up of concentric rings of prisms. These are commonly found in lighthouses to magnify light in a way that would normally require a much larger, thicker lens. His other trick is to boost the output power of the lasing material, neodymium-doped yttrium aluminium garnet. It normally only absorbs about 7% of the energy from sunlight, but when doped with chromium this figure increases to more than 67%.

Dr Yabe has built a demonstration plant at Chitose, Japan, in partnership with Mitsubishi. It is capable of producing 80 watts of power from the laser, enough to cut steel and extract 70% of the magnesium in seawater. The process will, says Dr Yabe, become commercially viable when the laser power reaches 400 watts, which could happen later this year. “As a starting point we are planning to use 300 lasers to produce 50 tonnes of magnesium per year,” he says. After that, it is just a small matter of convincing the world to start thinking about a magnesium economy instead of hydrogen one, he adds.

http://www.economist.com/node/15939644

eppur_se_muova

(41,948 posts)
6. Uh ... steam IS water ...
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 04:36 PM
Oct 2012

You indicated Mg reacts with water to make steam ... actually Mg reacts with hot water or steam, to make hydrogen and MgO. I'm sure it was just a typo, I'm trying not to confuse the non-scientific types.

H2O + Mg ---> MgO + H2

freethought

(2,461 posts)
7. Well, whatever the chemical reaction is, if the story is credible
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 12:41 PM
Oct 2012

then good luck to Mitsubishi and Tokyo Institute of Technology. At least they are trying, many companies won't take on such a long term R & D committment because the investment return isn't fast enough. Let's hope we here some good news from the effort.

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