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wtmusic

(39,166 posts)
Thu May 9, 2013, 08:00 PM May 2013

API says California is "energy rich, decision poor"; should follow Texas's example

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"...His (Jerry Brown's) party remains obliged to powerful environmental interests that have blocked development, largely through scare tactics designed to generate public doubt and fear. The same influences are at work in New York.

The fact is our industry is subject to federal environmental standards, contrary to suggestions otherwise (debunked in detail here). At the same time energy-producing states have strong, efficient regulatory regimes in place, tailored for each state’s geology, hydrology and other characteristics. And they’re doing a good job, which federal officials acknowledge.

It’s time for California, New York and perhaps other states to make energy policy decisions based on fact. Both states have vast oil and natural gas reserves that could put residents to work in good jobs and stimulate their economies. The energy-jobs-economy model that's working in Texas, Pennsylvania, North Dakota and other states can work elsewhere, too."

http://theenergycollective.com/mark-green/222031/energy-rich-decision-poor?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=The+Energy+Collective+%28all+posts%29

Thanks for advice on how we can become more like Texas.

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API says California is "energy rich, decision poor"; should follow Texas's example (Original Post) wtmusic May 2013 OP
Cough AndyTiedye May 2013 #1
Is that really a comparison you want to make? FBaggins May 2013 #3
Oh are you saying California's environmental laws aren't as good as Texas'? CreekDog May 2013 #5
Nope. FBaggins May 2013 #7
I for one have no illusions cprise May 2013 #8
3 words: DEEP WATER HORIZON. muntrv May 2013 #2
We already produce massive amounts of oil and gas XemaSab May 2013 #4
The American Crack Institute recommends you should spend all your money on crack. limpyhobbler May 2013 #6

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
3. Is that really a comparison you want to make?
Thu May 9, 2013, 08:54 PM
May 2013

Aren't most of the top ten worst cities for air pollution (in the US) in California (and none in Texas)?

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
5. Oh are you saying California's environmental laws aren't as good as Texas'?
Thu May 9, 2013, 11:44 PM
May 2013

or are you saying the California approach doesn't work as well as in Texas?

come on, come on, tell us what your point is.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
7. Nope.
Fri May 10, 2013, 06:43 AM
May 2013

Note that I replied to AndyTiedye and not the OP?

come on, come on, tell us what your point is.

I thought it was pretty clear. But I can spell it out for you:

If you check the American Lung Association's 2013 ratings for most-polluted cities, you'll see only three TX cities in the top 25 for ozone, and none make the list for year-round or short-term particle pollution. CA, OTOH, has the top 6 (and 11 of the top 25) for Ozone, 8 of the top 10 for year-round particle pollution, and the top 5 (and 9 of the top 25) for short-term particle pollution.

So let's try again:

When making the (valid) point that you would rather live with CA's environmental record than TX's... using a photo of air polution/smog over Dallas is a mistake. While Dallas is the worst in TX... it doesn't hold a candle to cities in CA. Thus it isn't a good way to illustrate the point. How about...


Better now?

cprise

(8,445 posts)
8. I for one have no illusions
Fri May 10, 2013, 03:18 PM
May 2013

...that CA environmental policy (like CAFE) is mostly a reaction to the pollution that you cite.

FWIW, I think it would be more instructive to compare pollution around the Gulf of Mexico to California... and not just air quality.

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
4. We already produce massive amounts of oil and gas
Thu May 9, 2013, 10:17 PM
May 2013

Fracking and additional offshore drilling are not the solution.

limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
6. The American Crack Institute recommends you should spend all your money on crack.
Fri May 10, 2013, 01:17 AM
May 2013

seems legit

(-norm MacDonald said that I think)

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