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[darkangel218]

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[leveymg]

1. What in the world were you doing in Northern Ukraine or Belarus in 1986?

[FBaggins]

3. To establish you as an authority for your first post? Nope.

The pills weren't "just to stay alive"... they were to reduce a small chance that you would get an entirely treatable condition that wouldn't endanger your life.

Hyperventilating doesn't add credibility. Nor does geographical location.

[darkangel218]

5. If we weren't given the potassium iodide we would've been dead

Of tyroid cancer.

Your post is extremly ignorant.

[FBaggins]

7. Utter nonsense

Thyroid cancer is rarely deadly... it's not even noticed in most cases. And claiming that you would get it absent the pills is ridiculous - even if you lived only miles from the plant.

There was a substantial increase in thyroid cancer cases after Chernobyl... but we're still talking a very small percentage of the population as a whole. To claim that the pills saved your life is entirely unsupported by fact.

IOW... the polite way of saying "extreamly ignorant" (sic - and let's all get a laugh out of the irony there )

[darkangel218]

9. OMG

You can laugh all you want at the expense of millions who suffered and even died because of Chernobyl.
You are officially one if the most callous persons I have ever encountered, online or in person.

[FBaggins]

11. Wrong again.

I wasn't laughing at the people who suffered and died because of Chernobyl.

I was laughing at the guy who thought he was almost one of them if it hadn't been for a pill - and that anyone who didn't accept that lunacy was "extreamly ignorant"

[darkangel218]

12. Browsw through the pics and see if you find any speck of humanity in you

http://www.google.com/search?q=chernobyl+victims+photos&client=ms-android-verizon&hl=en&gl=us&source=android-launcher-search&biw=320&bih=533&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=O-2cUeK2DKa-0QG58YC4Bg&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ

[FBaggins]

13. And you think that a potassium iodide pill would have helped there?

Again... stop trying to latch your own irrational fears onto their suffering to boost credibility when you don't understand something.

You were given a pill to slightly reduce the chance of a not-very-threatening condition that you almost certainly would have avoided anyway. To say otherwise is to pretend that a seatbelt saved your life today because you live in the same town as someone who had an auto accident yesterday.

Posting photos of deadly car crashes wouldn't make that nonsense any more credible either. You would still look foolish.

[darkangel218]

15. The point of my OP was nuclear plants ARE NOT SAFE!!

Potassium iodide did save ny life, but if I was any closer to the plant it wouldn't have mattered. Many of the "liquidators&quot the ones who put out the fire )as they called them died shortly after.
Again, try to find a speck if humanity in yourself.

[FBaggins]

18. Not quite

The point of the OP was that you think that nuclear plants are not safe and that everyone else should just accept your irrational fears as fact because you lived on the same continent as one but are nevertheless convinced that it would have killed you if not for a pill that (in the real world) only helps with a condition that is VERY rarely lethal.

Take the most wildly pessimistic reports on Chernobyl and tell me how many kids were killed by thyroid cancer (keeping in mind that MANY of them didn't get the pills and continued to drink the most contaminated milk).

[darkangel218]

16. "not very threatning condition"???

I have never encountered someone with a darker heart than you.

[FBaggins]

17. It simply isn't.

Most people who have it never even know and never develop symptoms. There are even plenty of medical journal reports in recent years that advise that it not even be treated in many cases.

I'm sorry that you seem to attach emotion to simple facts (or rather... expect your emotion to change simple facts)... but the rest of us are forced to live in the real world.

[wtmusic]

19. Everyone on DU - including you - faces a much higher risk of dying from the effects of coal smoke

95% of thyroid cancers are curable, and you faced a slightly increased risk. Meanwhile 20,000+ Americans die of complications from breathing coal smoke every year.

I understand it was probably frightening, but these are the facts.

[RobertEarl]

24. You have NO proof of that claim

Instead the science says that many have died from both coal pollution and nuclear pollution.

Your claims are without merit and background. And since nuclear pollution will be around for many decades, and considering your biased nature toward saving nuclear power, one really has to just dismiss your words as merely another pro-nuke sales pitch.

[wtmusic]

20. It's been corected. nt

[FBaggins]

21. Sure... but it wasn't the spelling that I found funny.

It was the irony that it would be that particular word that was incorrect.

I get the impression that English isn't the poster's first language. There's little point in nitpicking on spelling when we all make typos.

What I will make fun of is this continued notion that, absent KI pills, the OPer would have died from Chernobyl.

Even among the thousands of kids near the plant that did get thyroid cancer (of the hundreds of thousands who didn't get KI pills)... only one or two dozen died from it. That's significant... but it doesn't justify the paranoia that Chernobyl almost killed her.

[RobertEarl]

10. Ignorant or a sales pitch?

Have found said poster to be a supporter of pollution. Even here he says a little bit is ok.

How can anybody sit there at their computer and try to sell us on taking more pollution, unless they are a salesperson of some kind?

[leveymg]

4. Absolutely.

The fear and uncertainty must have been intense. It's an experience I would never want to endure. Glad you're okay.

[darkangel218]

6. Thanks x.

[RobertEarl]

23. darkangel

I am sorry that you have been attacked the way you have here. But that's what we have come to expect from pro-nukers. Since their nuke world has blown up at Fukushima, they really have nothing else to use to try and save their nukes. You got in their way and they tried to make fun of you for staying alive. I am glad you made it.

Iodine pills are what nuke power plant operators are required to give their immediate customers when there is a release of radiation in their vicinity. And here we have pro-nukers making fun of that! Astoundingly callous, rude and insensitive of them.

These reactions to your good health, all in the name of protecting nuke pollution, is an embarrassment to DU. I apologize to you for them and their callousness. And pledge to oppose them, as I oppose all pollution sales people.

[darkangel218]

25. Its ok, i ignored that person.

He can go attack someone else.

[FBaggins]

30. People experiencing an intervention...

...often feel as if they are under "attack"

They just can't see the truth.

[Demeter]

8. Ignore our glow-in-the-dark trolls

And thanks for posting.

[RevStPatrick]

14. Pripyat has become a popular photo-toursit destination...

...in the last few years:

https://www.google.com/search?q=pripyat&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=jO-cUe7HK9Hk4AOf-oDYDQ&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAQ&biw=1173&bih=611#safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=pripyat&oq=pripyat&gs_l=img.12...0.0.0.1968.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0...0.0...1c..14.img.E2lPU5gWMmI&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.46751780,d.dmg&fp=549f74111a8d86eb&biw=1173&bih=611

I keep a jar of potassium iodide in the house, you know, just in case.
I live a few miles downstream from the Indian Point nuke, which is getting old, and has had a few minor problems:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Point_Energy_Center

[dbackjon]

22. Soviet Nuclear Plants are

We have always had much tighter design standards here.



And yes, I live downwind from the largest nuclear plant complex in the US.

[hunter]

26. I've experienced "nuclear" lab accidents twice.

Neither the result of my own carelessness, thankfully.

They seemed much the same as accidents with toxic chemicals or biohazardous materials, but were somewhat less worrisome because I wore a radiation badge. My negligible exposure was measurable. I never had any such reassurance with non-nuclear accidents.

The scariest thing I commonly worked with was untested blood, but as a lab worker I could protect myself against that pretty well.

Paramedics, nurses, emergency room doctors, etc., face much greater dangers from needle-sticks and the like.

It's probably much less dangerous to be a Fukushima cleanup worker than it is to be a firefighter or paramedic in the USA.

A disaster is a disaster. The earthquake and tsunami that damaged the Fukushima power plant is far more terrifying to me than the nuclear spill afterwards.

The sort of incompetence and mismanagement that caused the Chernobyl or Bhopal disasters are pretty terrifying too.

I don't see what's so exceptional about radioactive toxins when exposures to other industrial toxins are much more common and simply accepted as something either unremarkable or not cause for any strong political reaction.

It makes no sense to chain yourself to the gates of a nuclear power plant one weekend if you are not chaining yourself to the gates of a coal power plant the next.

[wtmusic]

33. +1

It makes no sense to chain yourself to the gates of a nuclear power plant one weekend if you are not chaining yourself to the gates of a coal power plant the next.



Maybe start with the coal...

[riqster]

27. Used to live near Davis-Besse

Scary place during refueling, or accidents.

[4Q2u2]

28. Totally different Fusion Design Process

http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/Safety-and-Security/Safety-of-Plants/Chernobyl-Accident/

The Soviet Design increased the chance of a runaway core .

[AndyA]

29. I guess living through the George W. Bush pResidency isn't exactly the same thing...

Seriously, I agree with your post. Especially when we learn that nuclear plants are built on or near fault lines! Really? What idiot thought that was a good idea? Also, there's that question about what to do with the waste that no one can seem to answer.

There are safer ways to create energy, and using the sun and wind seem to be Earth friendly choices that people can live with.

I remember hearing about Chernobyl at the time, and I remember thinking that it was only a matter of time until something like that happened. There's really no fixing it, it just takes time, a very, very long time.

[jimlup]

31. I would like to say that I think safe nuclear energy is possible...

Honestly, I do deduce that it could be done. That doesn't mean that it will be as we can see from past incidents like Chernobyl and Fukashima along with many other less graphic small accidents that it rarely is.

I do believe that science and engineering could build a fail safe reactor. I do not however have enough faith in our political system to be convinced that it will in fact be the course of nuclear energy in the foreseeable future.

[felix_numinous]

32. Wow you have been through a lot.

Witnessing the West still embracing nuclear power is hard. The mega corporations have bought so much influence, that they have created a bubble of illusion around themselves.

I think there has to be a way to decommission the nuclear power plants as Germany has done, but people here have got to burst through this bubble and start creating the world in which we wish to live.

Peace~~