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GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
Tue Nov 12, 2013, 01:15 PM Nov 2013

How big is the human carbon debt?

This post begins from the following premise: All combustion of stored carbon (i.e. fossil fuel) incurs a planetary debt.

The debt is incurred on two levels. The first is the climate change caused by emitting long-lived CO2 into the atmosphere. The second is the destructive impact human activity has on the biosphere of the planet - activity enabled by fossil fuel energy, that includes such things as aquifer draw-down, habitat destruction leading to extinctions, soil fertility depletion, and the over-fishing and eutrophication of rivers, lakes and oceans. This debt draws on stocks of carbon laid down in the past, and is payable in full by our descendants.

It would be interesting to have some sort of idea how big this debt has become over the years. The debt can be quantified by comparing the amount of carbon we emit by burning fossil fuels to the carbon we emit by breathing. The result is a rough order of magnitude estimate of our planetary debt in person-years.

According to CDIAC we have burned about 383 billion tonnes of carbon (GtC) since 1750.

An average person emits 850 grams of CO2 per day. That represents 185 grams of carbon per day, or about 68 kg of carbon per person-year. The 383 billion tonnes of carbon we have released from fossil fuels represents a planetary debt equivalent to 5.7 trillion person-years, where each person-year is just one human being burning nothing but a little biomass.

As a way of judging the scale of this number, it's estimated that about 108 billion people have lived on the planet since Homo sapiens appeared on the scene. If each of them had a life expectancy of 45 years, that would give a total of 4.8 trillion person-years. Our carbon debt since 1750 handily exceeds the carbon emitted by every person who has ever lived.

What does this debt of 5.7 trillion person-years imply?

One way to look at it is that we are at least (5.7/4.8) = 120% into overshoot.

Another way to look at it is that if all 7 billion people on earth were to die suddenly later this afternoon, it would take the planet at least (5700/7)= 800 years of human-free operation to come back into balance. Of course this estimate of 800 years is the bare minimum, since the replenishment of aquifers and the geological sequestration atmospheric carbon will take much longer than that.

We are currently adding 140 billion person-years to that debt every year through our continued consumption of fossil fuels. That means we're adding at least 20 years of additional debt to that 800-year repayment time, every year.

Two factors will interfere with us paying down this debt even if we could find some way to do so.

First and foremost is the very short time remaining until climate destabilization makes life difficult for us - my estimate is that we have 30 to 40 years until that happens.

Second, even if we replace all fossil fuel consumption with wind, solar and water power today, we would still be left with the existing debt to pay down. As long as we keep damaging the biosphere further through our actions (the second level of the debt I referred to above), even if we stopped emitting carbon entirely the debt wiould keep growing rather than shrinking. There really is no way to pay down any of the debt while maintaining any semblance of our current activity levels.

Is it any wonder that more and more people are realizing that there is no way out of the corner we've painted ourselves and the rest of the biosphere into?

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How big is the human carbon debt? (Original Post) GliderGuider Nov 2013 OP
If we do nothing.... daleanime Nov 2013 #1
As I implied in another post GliderGuider Nov 2013 #2
You see the thing is this.... daleanime Nov 2013 #3
Quitting is not an option The2ndWheel Nov 2013 #4
They say this about the three laws of thermodynamics too GliderGuider Nov 2013 #5
That's what I had in mind The2ndWheel Nov 2013 #7
It's literally impossible for a human being to do nothing. GliderGuider Nov 2013 #6

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
1. If we do nothing....
Tue Nov 12, 2013, 01:20 PM
Nov 2013

of course there would be no way out. So let's do everything we can AND work on our problems.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
2. As I implied in another post
Tue Nov 12, 2013, 01:39 PM
Nov 2013

I consider "Doing everything we can and working on our problems" to be a subtle, morally-correct form of denial: it's a way of avoiding having to face the true implications of our situation. But yes, doing that will keep a lot of people from going crazy with despair and depression. So as long as it doesn't actually make the problem worse, why not? Of course it will make the problem worse anyway, so that might require a little psychological fine tuning...

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
3. You see the thing is this....
Tue Nov 12, 2013, 02:21 PM
Nov 2013

denial would be a problem, but doing nothing is worst. People who were climate deniers just a couple of years ago now just say that its too late to do anything. Any execuse to avoid addressing the issue.

'Doing everything we can' includes education and study. Yes we are in a scary place that too few of us recognize just how big of a problem we have. But quitting is not an option.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
5. They say this about the three laws of thermodynamics too
Tue Nov 12, 2013, 02:54 PM
Nov 2013

First Law (energy can be neither created nor destroyed): You can't win.
Second Law (entropy always increases): You can't break even.
Third Law (nothing can get as cold as 0 degrees K): You can't leave the game.

It's just the way life works.

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
7. That's what I had in mind
Tue Nov 12, 2013, 04:55 PM
Nov 2013

It's why our solutions just create the next problem to deal with. We can't beat existence. We can move things around, but there's a cost somewhere.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
6. It's literally impossible for a human being to do nothing.
Tue Nov 12, 2013, 02:56 PM
Nov 2013

Even those of us who recognize that we can't win, still can't quit. The best we can do is make mindful choices about what we do.

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