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Related: About this forumTHE MEDIA DID NOT HYPE FUKUSHIMA
Posted by Evan Osnos
In the new PBS Frontline documentary, Inside Japans Nuclear Meltdown, a Japanese colonel named Shinji Iwakuma recalls a moment, shortly after the tsunami a year ago, when he was called in to try to prevent the reactors at the Fukushima nuclear-power station from blowing up. Iwakumas mission was to pump water onto the overheating nuclear fuel, and he was in a jeep pulling up to the base of a reactor when the building around the reactor exploded. Lumps of concrete came ripping through the roof of the jeep, he said. Radioactive matter was leaking in through the bindings of our masks. Our dosimeters were beeping constantly. The soldiers were wounded but somehow managed to get out of there fast enough to avoid serious doses of radiation. We were lucky, Iwakuma says. Just lucky.
Good fortune is not the first thing that comes to mind when we talk about Fukushima these days. But it is, in fact, one of the clearestand most troublinglessons to be drawn from the Fukushima story: plain old luck, along with a colossal dose of heroism and quick-thinking, prevented the Fukushima nuclear meltdowns from wounding Japan even more thoroughly than they did. That is the lesson that comes through in several new projects appearing in preparation for the first anniversary of the tsunami and nuclear disaster.
The Frontline documentary by the filmmaker...
Read more http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/evanosnos/2012/03/the-media-did-not-hype-fukushima.html#ixzz1nzIi7glX
aquart
(69,014 posts)Didn't want people scared of West Coast produce and stuff.
TheWraith
(24,331 posts)And yes, the media hyped Fukushima a bit. Although the internet and the fringe websites were a thousand times worse.
OKIsItJustMe
(22,110 posts)How many Americans do you think recognize the name Fukushima?
The events at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant are just one result of an earthquake and tsunami which immediately caused > 15,000 deaths.
If there is more recognition of Fukushima than Tōhoku, then I think "Fukushima Daiichi" was overhyped.
Nihil
(13,508 posts)> How many Americans do you think recognize the name "Tohoku?"
> How many Americans do you think recognize the name Fukushima?
> The events at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant are just one result of an
> earthquake and tsunami which immediately caused > 15,000 deaths.
> If there is more recognition of Fukushima than Tōhoku, then I think
> "Fukushima Daiichi" was overhyped.
Succinct and precise. Thank you!
FBaggins
(28,763 posts)They certainly gave it nonstop coverage (even in the face of the far larger impact of the earthquake and tsunami)...
...but the author appear to mean "deliberately misleading".
By that standard he is entirely correct. The media (no to include the whacky fringe) didn't create lots of misleading claims...
...they merely "reported" the constant string of misleading claims from others.
PamW
(1,825 posts)By that standard he is entirely correct. The media (no to include the whacky fringe) didn't create lots of misleading claims...
...they merely "reported" the constant string of misleading claims from others.
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They reported the crap from Arnie Gunderson and Chris Busby that the Unit 3 explosion was a "nuclear explosion"
However, when the two US nuclear weapons labs, Los Alamos and Lawrence Livermore, as well as the CTBT Oganization; notified the media that Gunderson and Busby were in ERROR - that didn't get reported.
PamW
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)asked about the lack of dosimeters? They also glossed over the number of reactors that were destroyed and the danger storage tanks posed. Nothing said about the present state of the the reactors. I was underwhelmed.
caraher
(6,364 posts)There was a large quantity of media attention of questionable quality early on, followed by a relative paucity of information of any kind once they got bored of the story. Pretty much the way the media tend to cover anything...
It's clear that the media have neither the expertise nor interest to cover such stories well. When the buildings were exploding I was watching CNN, and the best they could do at the time for an "expert" was Bill Nye (yes, the "Science Guy"
, was was saying crazy things like cesium is used in the reactors as a moderator...
OKIsItJustMe
(22,110 posts)kristopher
(29,798 posts)In addition to the more than 500 deaths attributed to events at Fukushima, the very real consequences of the meltdown include a suspect food supply for an entire nation, long term anxiety about health for millions, rapid loss of 1/3 of Japan's electric supply and major economic repercussions that will ripple for a decade.
Pretending that direct immediate deaths are the only effects worth mentioning is an absurd spin that the global nuclear industry loves.
OKIsItJustMe
(22,110 posts)
was the concern so many self-absorbed Americans showed for their own health, rather than the Japanese who were directly in harms way.
I was following the news from the Fukushima Daiichi plant quite closely, and thought that the pro-nuke team were far too dismissive of the very real danger. When I saw the first explosion on the TV, I said, That, dear, was probably a hydrogen explosion. Remember the hydrogen bubble they were worried about at Three Mile Island? Well, this time, the hydrogen didnt stay in the reactor.
The retroactive discovery of meltdown came as no surprise to me.
However, it still is just one aspect of one of the largest natural disasters in years.
http://www.kantei.go.jp/foreign/incident/index.html
kristopher
(29,798 posts)You keep repeating that it is "just" one aspect of the natural disaster. While that is true on its face, it is a rather dismissive statement that totally fails to capture the way the 3 meltdowns served to draw out and exacerbate the natural part of the disaster. Were the disaster confined to the damage from earthquake and tidal wave, the lives of those in the region would already be returning to a semblance of normalcy. As it stands the nuclear meltdown component has become an ongoing national nightmare the effects of which continues to grip the heart of the people living through it.
OKIsItJustMe
(22,110 posts)It's estimated that the quake and tsunami are the costliest natural disaster in history:
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fgw-japan-quake-world-bank-20110322,0,3799976.story
[font size=4]Economic consequences of the earthquake and tsunami will be felt across East Asia but will be 'short-lived,' the World Bank predicts. Japan's GDP growth could be slowed by as much as half a percentage point this year.[/font]
By Victoria Kim, Los Angeles Times
March 21, 2011, 10:27 a.m.
[font size=3]The World Bank on Monday issued a report saying the damage from Japan's earthquake and tsunami could amount to as much as $235 billion and that limited effects from the disaster will be felt in economies across East Asia.
Rebuilding in the aftermath of the destruction could take five years, according to the report, released Monday in Singapore. Growth in Japan's gross domestic product could be slowed by as much as half a percentage point this year, though it is likely to pick up after midyear once reconstruction efforts accelerate, the organization forecasted in its East Asia and Pacific Economic Update.
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Our friends at FOX "News" helped fan the flames of radiation paranoia:
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/fox-news-sunday/transcript/joe-cirincione-sen-mitch-mcconnell-crisis-japan-sens-mark-warner-sen-saxby-chambliss-effo
Published March 13, 2011 | Fox News Sunday | Chris Wallace
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JOE CIRINCIONE, NUCLEAR SECURITY EXPERT: This is an unprecedented crisis. It is extremely serious. One of the reactors has had half the core exposed already. This is the one they're flooding with sea water in a desperate effort to prevent it from a complete meltdown.
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CIRINCIONE: The worst case scenario is that the fuel rods fused together -- the temperatures get so hot that they melt together in a radioactive molten mass that bursts through the containment mechanisms and is exposed to the outside. So, it spews radioactivity in the ground, into the air, into water. Some of the radioactivity could carry in the atmosphere to the West Coast of the United States.
WALLACE: Really? I mean, thousands of miles across the Pacific?
CIRINCIONE: Oh, absolutely. In Chernobyl, which happened 25 years ago, the radioactivity spread around the entire northern hemisphere. It depends how many of these cores melt down and how successful they are on containing it once the disaster happens.
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In the US, people started buying up potassium iodide (I'd bet that many of the buyers had never heard of potassium iodide before.)
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2011/03/15/dr-manny-treatment-crucial-radiation-exposure/
Dr Manny's Notes | Written By Dr. Manny Alvarez | Published March 15, 2011 | FoxNews.com
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Early symptoms of radiation poisoning include nausea, vomiting and diarrhea, which can start within minutes to days of exposure and last for days. Following that, a person may look and appear healthy, but they will soon become sick again, suffering from loss of appetite, fatigue, fever and possibly seizures and coma. These more serious symptoms may last for hours or months.
The condition is treated with stable potassium iodide, a salt that protects the body from radiation by blocking the intake of radioactive material in the thyroid. It is most effective when it is distributed before exposure, and it can provide protection for up to 24 hours afterwards. Japan has already distributed 230,000 doses of potassium iodide to evacuation centers housing people from the areas around the damaged nuclear reactors.
On the West Coast of the United States, sales of potassium iodide have skyrocketed in the past few days due to fears that radiation may sweep across the Pacific. Pharmacies typically do not stock the product, but it has always been readily available over the Internet until recently.
Many outlets that sell potassium iodide have been flooded with orders, which has lead to a shortage. Companies say that callers often end up in tears when told the product is unavailable, even after being reassured that the chance of radiation reaching the U.S. is actually very low.
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You've got to love FOX "News" the headline says, "Treatment Crucial!" The text says, people are desperately buying the stuff (even though they're told they probably won't need it.) "Hey! Laverne! FOX News says we need to get some of this 'potassium iodide' stuff!"
kristopher
(29,798 posts)... the concern so many self-absorbed Americans showed for their own health, rather than the Japanese who were directly in harms way.
This simply wasn't part of mainstream coverage of the disaster. Did coverage like that get *some* airtime? Sure it did; just as there is a range of coverage on every event. However given the severity of the disaster the overall coverage tended to be muted as a result of the public relations apparatus of the nuclear industry being in hyper-overdrive. Do I really need to remind you of that side of the equation?
As to your attempt to dismiss the meltdowns by saying they overshadowed the natural part of the disaster - that was already addressed in the prior post to you.
OKIsItJustMe
(22,110 posts)Or perhaps you are simply trying to misrepresent my views...
Whatever the explanation, the events at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant, while gravely serious, so dominated press coverage, that, while the name Fukushima is well known, Tōhoku is not. Given that the first is (if you will) a subset of the second (the most powerful quake recorded in Japanese history) logically, something is disproportionate.
It's worth noting that early on in the crisis, the events at Fukushima Daiichi did not receive the attention from the media which I felt they warranted. NPR (in my opinion) did a good job early on:
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/03/11/134450816/japan-declares-emergency-at-nuclear-power-plant
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/03/11/134452107/a-quick-glance-at-japans-earthquake-pacific-tsunami
(I guess there's nothing like video of an explosion at a nuclear plant to grab the attention of the networks.)
kristopher
(29,798 posts)You may consider that your remarks are not dismissive, however you are not necessarily the best person to determine that. To use an extreme example, I'm sure Rush Limbaugh doesn't think his remarks are as most others perceive them to be.
That doesn't make him right, and neither are you.
There is a conversation to be had that something is "disproportionate" (as you see it), and I attempted to introduce some elements of what might be at work. You are apparently not really interested in that topic however; preferring instead...
OKIsItJustMe
(22,110 posts)...and not to Hitler...
kristopher
(29,798 posts)...to those affected.
Hiding behind another misrepresentation doesn't change that; or are you saying that the point illustrated by my use of Limbaugh (identified as an "extreme example"
is invalid?
PamW
(1,825 posts)Remember the hydrogen bubble they were worried about at Three Mile Island?
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There never was a "hydrogen bubble" problem at TMI. That's why the concern went away overnight.
Hydrogen all by itself is NOT explosive. A hydrogen-oxygen mixture IS explosive. You've probably also heard this truism said about gasoline. Gasoline is not explosive, but a gasoline-air mixture is explosive.
In order to have an explosive mixture; you need free oxygen to mix with the fuel.
It was a mistake by someone at the NRC, Roger Mattson, that caused concern about the bubble. Concern went away when Victor Stello demonstrated Mattson's mistake:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/three/peopleevents/pandeAMEX88.html
On Sunday afternoon, while Carter was still there, Victor Stello found the proof he needed. They discovered that Mattson and his team of consultants had been using the wrong formula to determine the risk posed by the hydrogen bubble. Stello concluded that "hydrogen under pressure will prevent water from breaking apart into hydrogen and oxygen because it will tend to suppress the creation of more hydrogen. Without free oxygen, there can be no explosion."
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09088/959200-96.stm
Next, the NRC said a hydrogen bubble inside the TMI reactor might explode. Not true, as it turned out. But an already rattled public waited with growing trepidation as experts, working to stabilize the situation, quit trying to correct media doomsday reports that fueled public panic.
There was no free oxygen inside the TMI coolant loop to create an explosive mixture. TMI did have a stuck open safety valve that let hydrogen out into the containment building where there is oxygen to create an explosive mixture.
In fact, there WAS a hydrogen / oxygen explosion at TMI as there was at Fukushima. However, the TMI containment building completely contained that explosion, whereas the Fukushima building blew apart. It's more of a testimony to the difference in regulations between Japan and the USA.
PamW
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)PWR versus BWR.
Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #13)
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OKIsItJustMe
(22,110 posts)As I wrote, "This time the hydrogen didnt stay in the reactor."
In both cases, the hydrogen was a result of overheated zirconium encased fuel rods reacting with water.
A problem with the hydrogen bubble at Three Mile Island, which had nothing to do with an explosion, was the simple fact that it could displace water in the reactor, further exposing the core.
http://www.southernstudies.org/2009/04/post-4.html
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The Thompsons aren't the only ones who have produced evidence that the radiation releases from TMI were much higher than the official estimates. Arnie Gundersen -- a nuclear engineer and former nuclear industry executive turned whistle-blower -- has done his own analysis, which he shared for the first time at a symposium in Harrisburg last week.
"I think the numbers on the NRC's website are off by a factor of 100 to 1,000," he said.
Exactly how much radiation was released is impossible to say, since onsite monitors immediately went off the scale after the explosion. But Gundersen points to an inside report by an NRC manager who himself estimated the release of about 36 million curies -- almost three times as much as the NRC's official estimate. Gundersen also notes that industry itself has acknowledged there was a total of 10 billion curies of radiation inside the reactor containment. Using the common estimate that a tenth of it escaped, that means as much as a billion curies could have been released to the environment.
Gundersen also offered compelling evidence based on pressure monitoring data from the plant that shortly before 2 p.m. on March 28, 1979 there was a hydrogen explosion inside the TMI containment building that could have released significant amounts of radiation to the environment. The NRC and industry to this day deny there was an explosion, instead referring to what happened as a "hydrogen burn." But Gundersen noted that affidavits from four reactor operators confirm that the plant manager was aware of a dramatic pressure spike after which the internal pressure dropped to outside pressure; he also noted that the control room shook and doors were blown off hinges. In addition, Gundersen reported that while Metropolitan Edison would have known about the pressure spike immediately from monitoring equipment, it didn't notify the NRC about what had happened until two days later.

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