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GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 11:03 AM Aug 2015

The Death of Peak Oil (at least for now)

During the five years between 2004 and 2009, the hot topic in energy-watching circles was Peak Oil. According to the popular extrapolation of M. King Hubbert's theory, all the straws we had jammed into Gaia's petroleum milkshake would soon be sucking air as the oil remaining in the big fields like Ghawar, Cantarell and the North Sea began to run dry. The volume of oil we could suck from the teats of long-suffering Mother Earth would begin to decline, never to recover. The implication for many (myself included) was that the collapse of civilization was therefore imminent, with Mad Max waiting just around the corner to sell us the remaining dregs at gunpoint, for $500 a barrel.

For those who followed the monthly data on crude oil extraction in those years, the picture seemed clear. Crude and condensate production had been on a wobbly plateau for four years, hitting a peak of 74 mbpd in 2008.The decline to under 73 mbpd in 2009 seemed to confirm our nightmares. It was all over but the cannibalism.

Well, most of us are still eating hotdogs rather than neighborhood dogs; the fears proved to be unfounded. Oil production recovered in 2010 and has not looked back since.



The question of how so many smart, well-intentioned people could have been so wrong deserves an answer. My take on it, after spending some time in self-examination, is that two factors were responsible.

The first problem was that the Peak Oil "analysts" were operating out of a knowledge silo. The majority of them had experience in the oil industry, as petroleum geologists or other workers. Because of that, their knowledge was primarily confined to the details of oil recovery. Very few of them (Nicole Foss and Gail Tverberg being notable exceptions) had much exposure to economics, finance or politics. This meant that most of the players did not fully understand that oil was only one factor in a complex global socio-economic system. It was a glaring example of the attraction of reductionism - when the only tool you have is a hammer, all problems become nails.

Then there were the people like me, amateurs who became transfixed by Hubbert's theory and relied primarily on the expertise of the oil guys in the group. We became the religious converts - the average Joes and Janes who reinforced the self-image of the experts through our breathless agreement.

The second problem was one of human psychology.

Most people are prone to something called normalcy bias: the assumption that "things are generally normal", and that since a disaster never has occurred then it never will occur. It causes people to interpret warnings in the most optimistic way possible, seizing on any ambiguities to infer a less serious situation. The opposite of normalcy bias would be overreaction, or "worst-case thinking" bias. Guess which camp the Peak Oilers fell into?

Every time someone with a wider perspective tried to intervene in our oil-centric "orgy of doom" we simply accused them of suffering from a bad case of normalcy bias.

One other factor complicated the psychological landscape. Many of us felt the crushing stress of being out of step with an increasingly inhumane world. I suspect that as a result some of us harbored a desire that it should all come to an end, no matter what the human cost might be. Most of us never expressed that desire - it's not socially acceptable after all - so we repressed it and instead channeled our mental energy into validating our catastrophist biases.

With the world exhibiting severe problems and crises in so many areas, from climate change and biospheric damage to economics and international politics, finding a realistic path through the competing messages becomes a real tightrope act. If one is open to the negative data and does not want to fall victim to normalcy bias, one runs the constant risk of falling off the tightrope on the catastrophist side. On the other hand, if someone is not comfortable with the idea of catastrophe, they may take refuge in normalcy bias. Both sides of these debates engage in serious cherry-picking of the data and tend to pay attention to only those facts that reinforce their psychological outlook. It's just human nature, after all.

We would all benefit from the Peak Oil kerfuffle if we used it as lesson learned, and put some conscious effort into examining our own biases, beliefs and hidden desires with a rare bit of ruthless honesty. As I can attest, such self-assessment is a slow, halting and often painful process. But with so much at stake in the world these days, a little honesty can go a very long way.

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The Death of Peak Oil (at least for now) (Original Post) GliderGuider Aug 2015 OP
"worst-case thinking" bias (AKA “doomer” bias) OKIsItJustMe Aug 2015 #1
Yes, the same bias is part of my lowball estimate of our sustainability. GliderGuider Aug 2015 #2
I'm lightening up a bit on my position regarding sustainable population levels GliderGuider Aug 2015 #11
“I characterize my lowball estimates as one end of a probability distribution curve.” OKIsItJustMe Aug 2015 #12
Yep. Conditions change, and our knowledge of the factors involved do as well. GliderGuider Aug 2015 #13
“That goes for people too.” OKIsItJustMe Aug 2015 #14
Why haven’t we had a “World War” recently? GliderGuider Aug 2015 #15
World Wars strike me as “group” activities OKIsItJustMe Aug 2015 #17
Apology accepted. bananas Aug 2015 #3
You're most welcome. GliderGuider Aug 2015 #4
Very mature position FBaggins Aug 2015 #6
"Peak Oil" was the optimistic view. That filthy stuff is destroying the world. hunter Aug 2015 #5
I think this post, plus the OP, plus one of GG's former posts... FBaggins Aug 2015 #7
To be clear, my point is not that PO theory was wrong (that's a different discussion) GliderGuider Aug 2015 #8
Peak Oil seemed to be a type of psychological operation Fast Walker 52 Aug 2015 #9
Peak oil has two huge problems, that generally are ignored till it is to late. happyslug Aug 2015 #10
Excellent post. It's a complex problem. Yo_Mama Aug 2015 #16
Psychology is a real stumbling block in group dynamics GliderGuider Aug 2015 #18
I’m going to go with “A major obstacle.” OKIsItJustMe Aug 2015 #19
I think the bandwagon underestimated the establishment psychology cprise Aug 2015 #20

OKIsItJustMe

(19,938 posts)
1. "worst-case thinking" bias (AKA “doomer” bias)
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 11:36 AM
Aug 2015

The “doomer” bias failed to account for humans’ adaptability.

The “peak oil” theory was not wrong per se. The amount of oil in the ground did not change, however the amount of “recoverable” oil did. This is a matter of definition.

The amount of “recoverable” oil changed, because economic factors made it profitable to produce oil (e.g. “tar sands” oil) which, in the past could not be produced at a profit. (i.e. it’s not as if Canada just discovered the tar sands, it’s just that before now, there was a lot of oil which was easier/cheaper to produce.)

It is this same “doomer” bias that leads you to conclude that the Earth is only capable of sustainably supporting a tiny fraction of today’s population.

… I suspect that as a result some of us harbored a desire that it should all come to an end, no matter what the human cost might be. Most of us never expressed that desire - it's not socially acceptable after all - so we repressed it and instead channeled our mental energy into validating our catastrophist biases.


I believe this is just plain wrong. In my opinion, then and now, this desire was expressed and continues to be expressed.
 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
2. Yes, the same bias is part of my lowball estimate of our sustainability.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 11:51 AM
Aug 2015

I'd disagree about how common the expression of "I wish it would all just end" was among the PO crowd. I didn't see much of it, and I was pretty embedded in the group. I saw a lot of fascination with the idea of a crash, but it was more along the lines of "it will happen" as opposed to "I want it to happen". I see far more of the latter coming up now in the NTHE crowd. It wears various disguises, but underneath many of them is the feeling that humanity is a pathogen, and needs to be cured for the sake of Gaia.

I've had that feeling, but I've worked hard over the last few years to get beyond it, with varying degrees of success. This is what underpins my current attitude of "watchful waiting". I no longer think we all deserve to die, but don't want to encourage us in further growth, and I know things can't keep on going as they have for much long. So I watch and wait. And make graphs and argue about shit while I do...

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
11. I'm lightening up a bit on my position regarding sustainable population levels
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 11:00 AM
Aug 2015

Now I characterize my lowball estimates as one end of a probability distribution curve. Because if this I'd say that we are in overshoot by anywhere between 60% (according to the Global Footprint Network estimate, which I think id extremely optimistic) and 1,000,000% (one of my lowest estimates: quite pessimistic). In order to put numbers on both cases I use the I=P(AT) formula, where AT is the average human activity/impact level, measured through the proxy of exosomatic energy consumption in watts per person.

Arithmetically speaking:

Correcting a 60% overshoot would require a world population reduction to 4.5 billion people at today's world average energy consumption levels, or 1 billion average Americans.
Correcting a 1,000,000% overshoot would require a reduction to 15 million foragers, 1 million people with today's world average energy consumption levels, or 225,000 average Americans.

The "real" number, if there is or even could be one, would likely fall somewhere between those two limits.

The reason I gravitate towards the lowest number is that 15 million was about the population of the world in about 5,000 BCE, not long after the beginnings of agriculture. I could perhaps be talked into raising that lower bound to 50 million foragers - the estimated population in 1,000 BCE. However I'm reluctant to do so, because anthropogenic damage like the desertification of the Fertile Crescent was already in progress by then, so that situation doesn't meet a strict definition of "sustainable". In addition, supporting 15 million foragers would certainly require hunting for meat, and most of the big wild animals that provided meat in the past are now gone. Animal husbandry is at least as ecologically damaging as crop agriculture, so I don't see it as having a widespread role in such a future.

This assessment ignores the long-term effects of climate change and pollution from our extraction, manufacturing and energy production industries (abandoned mines, leaking hydrocarbon wells, industrial waste, coal slag, nuclear reactor waste etc.) which will certainly lower the planet's carrying capacity by some significant amount. IMO when those effects are factored in, there is no longer a lower bound.

OKIsItJustMe

(19,938 posts)
12. “I characterize my lowball estimates as one end of a probability distribution curve.”
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 06:20 PM
Aug 2015

Which is why I placed it on the left tail of the bell curve:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/112789561#post11

The problem with these estimates, like “peak oil” is that conditions do and will change.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
13. Yep. Conditions change, and our knowledge of the factors involved do as well.
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 07:01 PM
Aug 2015

Ya gotta stay flexible - ideologies are dead ends.

I've largely given up worrying about sustainability, ecological, economic, energy or political issues except as intellectual toys. What's actually happening out there is unbelievably interesting - so long as I don't get frustrated by wishing it was different. That goes for people too.

OKIsItJustMe

(19,938 posts)
14. “That goes for people too.”
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 10:51 AM
Aug 2015

Whereas, central to my philosophy is that people can alter their behavior. That's what got us this far.

Why haven’t we had a “World War” recently?

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
15. Why haven’t we had a “World War” recently?
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 11:24 AM
Aug 2015

IMO, because the action has shifted to the boardrooms of the world. TPTB can now gain far more power with pens than swords. Why risk WWIII when you can get a TPP with no violence at all?

Yes, people can alter their behaviour, but collectively this ability is limited to a relatively small set of path-dependent outcomes. Individuals have far more freedom of action, but in groups our evolved social instincts assume more dominance.

OKIsItJustMe

(19,938 posts)
17. World Wars strike me as “group” activities
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 01:02 PM
Aug 2015

Don’t underestimate the ability of humans to learn.

Somehow, even small children are able to learn to read and write and use computers!

I wonder, where in evolution was there natural selection for the ability to “touch type?”

bananas

(27,509 posts)
3. Apology accepted.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 02:12 PM
Aug 2015
Every time someone with a wider perspective tried to intervene in our oil-centric "orgy of doom" we simply accused them of suffering from a bad case of normalcy bias.

FBaggins

(26,757 posts)
6. Very mature position
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 10:47 PM
Aug 2015

There are a remarkable number of TOD regulars that I doubt will ever see the light. Oil production could double and they would still claim that it doesn't really count... that 2005 was still the peak and this is just a little more undulation in the undulating plateau.

hunter

(38,325 posts)
5. "Peak Oil" was the optimistic view. That filthy stuff is destroying the world.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 04:40 PM
Aug 2015

I was sort of hoping the automobile and airliner and container ship age would be over by now.

I hate god damned highways, automobiles, and chain saws

I'm not a big fan of this civilization. Everyone should just chill out, grow some weed, brew some beer, read a book, and always use some kind of effective birth control.

This ghastly thing we call "economic productivity" is a direct measure of the damage we are doing to the natural environment and our own human spirit.

Coal, oil, and gas fuel that destruction.

FBaggins

(26,757 posts)
7. I think this post, plus the OP, plus one of GG's former posts...
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 10:52 PM
Aug 2015

... all add up to explain the phenomenon.

For many peakists... it wasn't a case of rational evaluation of the evidence. It was that they wanted Mother Nature to force us out of our consumption addictions. Force us to do the right thing and drastically change.

It was more a religious attachment to what should be... rather than what is.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
8. To be clear, my point is not that PO theory was wrong (that's a different discussion)
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 12:00 PM
Aug 2015

Last edited Fri Aug 14, 2015, 12:50 PM - Edit history (1)

Just that the response of the PO community was far too narrow and in addition was emotionally biased. Not that this should come as a surprise to anyone - we are limbic critters trying to comprehend a very complex system, so such responses are par for the course.

This goes for the parties to all social debates, whether they're about energy, the environment, politics, economics, morality or any other such topic. These are complex, emotional topics, so people bring their unavoidably limited knowledge, their emotional limbic systems and their entrenched belief systems to the table. It's no wonder the debates turn acrimonious at the drop of a hat - there is a lot of opportunity for friction on many levels, and most of us have little training in how to remain objective in such situations.

On edit: The PO community got fixated on defining a time frame before the underlying theory had been properly explored and validated. The validation would be difficult, because it had to take into account such a wide variety of soft factors. Economic situations, the technical and economic feasibility of substituting for non-oil energy sources, political willingness to support substitution vs. investing in more imports or extraction capacity, the willingness of national populations to switch between sources or pay higher prices for oil - all of these needed to be considered in both regional and national contexts, and all of them affect oil production numbers. This is a task that the amateur PO community was not up to. As a result we result ignored the complexity and tried to determine peak dates and price behaviour anyway. It was a fool's errand from the get-go, no matter how valid the purely geophysical aspects of the theory.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
9. Peak Oil seemed to be a type of psychological operation
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 02:03 PM
Aug 2015

It was attractive meme for a certain type of person and it was used to justify a lot of bad things. I think Cheney used some version of Peak Oil fear to justify invading Iraq, for instance.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
10. Peak oil has two huge problems, that generally are ignored till it is to late.
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 11:36 PM
Aug 2015

First, is even OPEC acknowledge by its public records that its production of oil will start to slow down after 2030. No one trusts those records for every OPEC member has good reason to LIE about their recoverable oil, thus 2030 has always been the LAST date for peak oil to kick in and NO ONE BELIEVES IT TO BE THE DATE. We are CLOSE to peak Oil, unless we have already passed that point.

Second, and in many ways most important, peak oil is when peak production of oil occurs, but oil will continue to be produced for anyway for 140 to 160 years. Yes, some people tried to tied in peak oil with the end of civilization, but I for one never saw it as such. What I foresee is a society slowly changing to a world where the demand for oil exceeds its supply and that difference is resolved by pricing oil so that demand equals supply. I have also pointed out that the price of oil, once it is no longer under the control of any "Swing producer" will fluctuate radically, much like the price of coal, which has never had a "Swing producer" who could control price by increasing or decreasing its supply of coal. i.e prices for example only, you would see the price of gasoline vary from $5 a gallon to $2 a gallon. The high price will continually go up, the low price will follow, but you will see massive switch between the two. Thus today's low prices is compatible with Peak Oil, we are just in one of those low price periods, which will lead to a reduction in production as the price drops below the cost of some oil producers. Sooner or later the price will bottom out, mostly do to people seeing the price of oil so low that they believe that using oil, rather then some other alternative, is the most cost effective and this leads to increase demand. As the demand for oil increases, so will its price, till it hits a point where the increase production at some price, exceeds the demand for oil at that price, then the demand will drop, as will the price.

Such price fluctuation will become the norm as peak oil hits and oil production CAPACITY drops. Now, one of the side affects of high prices for oil, is what were considered oil plays to expensive to drill in previous years become profitable. This is what happened in 2006-2008 period. Oil fields no one had thought would ever become profitable, where suddenly profitable when oil reached its highest price since the Civil War.

http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=F000000__3&f=A

http://econweb.ucsd.edu/~jhamilto/oil_history.pdf

http://www.resilience.org/stories/2015-08-16/what-is-the-price-of-oil-telling-us

http://www.resilience.org/stories/2015-08-14/double-dip-oil-rout-why-an-oil-glut-may-lead-to-a-new-world-of-energy

Now, the price of oil has been dropping since 2008, as demand for oil in the US DROPPED for the first time ever, the drop was marginal but real (and even greater in the other Developed countries) but more then offset by the increase in Oil usage in the Third World, including China and India:



http://oilindependents.org/global-demand-for-oil/

Now, the key is Saudi Arabian Oil Production, which has been relatively flat (Only a slight increase in recent years, and most of that heavy sour oil NOT the light sweat oil preferred by most refineries), while US oil production from Fracking has been increasing:

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Details on Saudi Arabia Production:

http://www.eia.gov/beta/international/analysis_includes/countries_long/Saudi_Arabia/saudi_arabia.pdf

Most of the increase in World Wide Oil Production has been in the Fracking fields of the US, but given these have a decline rate of up to 90% in the first year, you need constant drilling to keep up the production, a rate of drilling that WAS maintained till 2014, when, due to the drop in the price of oil, drilling of new wells slow down:

http://carnegieendowment.org/2014/11/01/tight-oil-in-united-states-recent-developments-and-future-financial-sustainability/hvm6

http://carnegieendowment.org/2015/05/21/saudi-arabia-and-shifting-geoeconomics-of-oil/i8vv

Please note, one of the reason we have had increase oil production since 2005 is that most producers have adopted secondary and Enhanced recovery methods, both speed up the depletion of a well. Secondary is simply pumping water into a wells, for oil floats on top of water and this will force oil up to other wells into the same oil formation.

"Enhance recovery methods" are more complicated then water, there are three types, often used together:

Thermal recovery, which involves the introduction of heat such as the injection of steam to lower the viscosity, or thin, the heavy viscous oil, and improve its ability to flow through the reservoir. Thermal techniques account for over 40 percent of U.S. EOR production, primarily in California.

Gas injection, which uses gases such as natural gas, nitrogen, or carbon dioxide (CO2) that expand in a reservoir to push additional oil to a production wellbore, or other gases that dissolve in the oil to lower its viscosity and improves its flow rate. Gas injection accounts for nearly 60 percent of EOR production in the United States.

Chemical injection, which can involve the use of long-chained molecules called polymers to increase the effectiveness of waterfloods, or the use of detergent-like surfactants to help lower the surface tension that often prevents oil droplets from moving through a reservoir. Chemical techniques account for about one percent of U.S. EOR production.

Each of these techniques has been hampered by its relatively high cost and, in some cases, by the unpredictability of its effectiveness.

http://energy.gov/fe/science-innovation/oil-gas-research/enhanced-oil-recovery


Just a comment, that the low prices of today is compatible with Peak Oil. From what I have read today's low prices should last till 2017, when most of the fracking oil wells would have played out and given the low level of replacement wells are being drilled today, supply will drop and demand will exceed supply once again. This up and down pattern in typical of extraction industries as supplies of the mineral in question comes into short supply.

On the other hand, watch out for those peak oilers who foresee doom in peak oil. Peak Oil will NOT lead to any massive change, but will lead to slow gradual change as the price of oil keeps going higher. I see more and more people moving closer to where they work, and the stores catering to those workers moving with them. Suburbia will probably die, but urban cores will boom. If moving back to the city from Suburbia is your nightmare, then Peak Oil will be a disaster, but for most people Peak Oil will be just a small change in how they live (i.e. walking to where your shop and work instead of driving).

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
16. Excellent post. It's a complex problem.
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 12:03 PM
Aug 2015

Aside from the factors you mention, I think the problem is a narrowed network of contributors. There were many arguing different perspectives, but they got frozen out of the discussion and a remarkably wrong consensus emerged.

Then, once the consensus was used to make money, it hardened and broadened, and there was a political element as well.

The roots of this are indeed in human psychology, but the reality is that many human problems nowadays are of similar complexity.

Widening the group of discussers in an especially interdisciplinary fashion and creating alternate reward systems might help.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
18. Psychology is a real stumbling block in group dynamics
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 01:07 PM
Aug 2015

Groups are prone to status/dominance competitions that result in the emergence of cliques and leaders. Such competitions are virtually a defining characteristic of organized groups. Being part of the leading clique is usually so attractive that people will self-censor any differences of opinion in order to ensure their membership. This happens all the time in real life, in boardrooms and meeting halls everywhere. I've seen it play out in almost every on-line forum or blog I've participated it, including The Oil Drum, Nature Bats Last, Facebook groups and DU boards. It's the reason for the echo-chamber effect and groupthink.

It's especially active in politics, and is a (the?) major obstacle to proactive decision-making on big issues like climate change. Interdisciplinary groups may be the toughest, because each member gives primacy to the discipline(s) they are most secure in and derogates other perspectives - the bun-fights can be breathtaking.

Because the primary reward in this competition is status, and the competition is reinforced by the neurotransmitter dopamine, it's very difficult indeed to prevent. It's a main reason why I tend not to belong to many such groups.

OKIsItJustMe

(19,938 posts)
19. I’m going to go with “A major obstacle.”
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 01:34 PM
Aug 2015

I think the primary obstacle is simply inertia.

“This is the way we’ve always done things.” (Which really means, “This is the way we’ve done things, for as long as I can remember.”)

cprise

(8,445 posts)
20. I think the bandwagon underestimated the establishment psychology
Mon Aug 24, 2015, 05:58 AM
Aug 2015

...and just how bloody-minded TPTB became in the wake of the economic crisis, which was immediately preceded by a bubble-popping spike in fuel prices.

A prime example of the mindset is the ruthlessness with which fracking is being pushed and rubber-stamped in every nook and cranny of the nation, and anywhere else the US has major influence. Fracking in regions like California and the UK is especially insane.

The church of the world's defacto reserve currency (otherwise known as petrodollar) will bend that extraction bell curve into a cliff by hook or by crook. They have faith that their green paper 'savior' will preserve anyone-whos-anyone in whatever decent pockets of land that are presumed to the leftover from the devastation -- the capitalist's version of the Rapture (this isn't just allegory when groups like The Family exist). When speaking of competition and status, this is the group to consider foremost.

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