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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,741 posts)
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 07:25 PM Jun 2022

US intel officials admit they didn't see that Russia's military was a 'hollow force.'

More than 100 days after Russia renewed its attack on Ukraine, and the world has seen that the Russian military isn't what it was believed to be.

The Russian force the US military and intelligence agencies believed to be a near-peer adversary hasn't shown up. The force that did appear had its main thrust blunted by smaller Ukrainian units. After taking heavy casualties and achieving few objects, Moscow pulled back its troops and lowered its ambitions.

Something was off in US assessments of Russia's military, and the Pentagon and intelligence community have admitted that they missed indications that Moscow was in fact fielding a "hollow force."

The US intelligence community is conducting an internal review of its processes after underestimating Ukrainian resolve and overestimating Russian military capabilities.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-intel-officials-admit-they-didn-t-see-that-russia-s-military-was-a-hollow-force-here-s-what-they-did-see-and-how-they-missed-it/ar-AAYGba1

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US intel officials admit they didn't see that Russia's military was a 'hollow force.' (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2022 OP
How could US military intelligence be so far off? Irish_Dem Jun 2022 #1
I'm not 100% sure that the FBI and the CIA MontanaMama Jun 2022 #3
Ignoring good intel is the same as a miss. Irish_Dem Jun 2022 #4
Totally agree that the result is the same. MontanaMama Jun 2022 #5
Anyway we slice it, it is bad. Irish_Dem Jun 2022 #6
If they watch youtube videos, they will see Turbineguy Jun 2022 #2

MontanaMama

(23,295 posts)
3. I'm not 100% sure that the FBI and the CIA
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 07:38 PM
Jun 2022

missed 1/6. I hope we learn more about why they didn’t take the information that was being discussed publicly seriously.

Irish_Dem

(46,504 posts)
4. Ignoring good intel is the same as a miss.
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 08:06 PM
Jun 2022

Unless of course they knew it was good intel but deliberately gave it a pass.

Doubtful any of the scenarios will come to light.

MontanaMama

(23,295 posts)
5. Totally agree that the result is the same.
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 08:29 PM
Jun 2022

I am skeptical it was an actual miss. I realize what that sounds like and I'm sure I'll get flamed for it.

Irish_Dem

(46,504 posts)
6. Anyway we slice it, it is bad.
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 08:46 PM
Jun 2022

If they missed one of the biggest political crimes in the history of our nation, that is very bad.

It's not like all of a sudden Trump became a ruthless sociopath.
They had to know he what he was capable of doing to stay in power.

If they knew what was coming and didn't care or agreed with the crimes being committed that is also very bad.

So intelligence services are either incompetent or corrupt.

Turbineguy

(37,291 posts)
2. If they watch youtube videos, they will see
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 07:38 PM
Jun 2022

that driving in Russia is illegal:

1) If you know how.
2) If you are sober.
3) If you still have tread on your tires.
4) If you maintain your vehicle

Crosswalks exist to organize carnage.

They can extrapolate for there.

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