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unhappycamper

(60,364 posts)
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 09:58 AM Sep 2014

Warning to War Supporters

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Warning-to-War-Supporters-by-David-Swanson-EVIL_Evil_Evil_Iraq-140910-687.html

Warning to War Supporters
By David Swanson
OpEdNews Op Eds 9/10/2014 at 10:18:53

~snip~

1. If you want to bomb a country every time an evil group murders people in a gruesome manner, you'll have to bomb a lot of countries including our own. ISIS draws its strength in Iraq from resentment of the Iraqi government, which bombs its own cities using U.S. weapons, and which beheads people, albeit in grainier footage with lower production values. Allies in the region, including allies that support ISIS, including allies armed by the United States (some of which arms end up in the hands of ISIS), themselves behead people regularly. But is that worse than other types of killing? When President Barack Obama blew up a 16 year old American boy whom nobody had ever accused of so much as jaywalking, and blew up six other kids who were too close to him at the time, do you imagine his head remained on his body?

~snip~

2. The bombs will mostly kill innocent people who had nothing to do with it, and will only make the crisis worse. Most people who die in wars are civilians by everyone's definition. People still use words like "battlefield" as if wars were waged in a field the way a football game is played. They couldn't play football on our streets and sidewalks because grandparents and baby strollers would end up tackled and crushed. Well, wars are waged on people's streets and sidewalks, even when one side is only present in the sky above in the form of unmanned robot death planes. The slow-moving die first: the very old and the very young. And when anyone dies, according to top U.S. officials, more enemies are created in greater numbers. Thus, the operation is counterproductive on its own terms, making us less safe rather than safer. This is why President Obama is always saying "There is no military solution" just before proposing to use the military to seek a solution. When he proposes bombing Iraq for three more years, that number has no basis in military calculation whatsoever. I challenge you to find a general who says otherwise. It is a number almost certainly based on the U.S. election schedule, aimed at convincing us to accept a war without question until a date after the next presidential election. When Obama says he's going to get a good government in place in Iraq this week and then make a speech, he's delusional or enjoying toying with your gullibility, but he's also pointing to the actual problem: a nation destroyed by 24 years of wars and sanctions and lacking a legitimate governing system.

3. Bombing is crazy, and bombing for three years is certifiable. Bombing strengthens ISIS. Three years is longer than most U.S. wars have taken from beginning to end. The U.S. Constitution, which did not foresee a permanent standing army, much less one permanently standing in most other nations on earth, did not permit -- and does not permit -- creating and funding one for a longer period than two years at a time (Article I. Section 8.). But of course nothing guarantees that the bombing will stop after three years and not go on for thirty more. And nothing guarantees that this war will involve only bombing. Already Obama has sent over 1,100 troops, and is promising to send some number less than 100,000. Read that twice please, slowly. Obama wants Congress to debate his war plans but not vote on them. Why not? Because Congress might be compelled by you and me to vote no, if not on this war then on the next one. Obama wants himself and all future presidents free to launch wars without Congress, exactly what he campaigned for office opposing.

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4. The fact that it's Obama doesn't make it OK. A majority of you supported attacking Afghanistan and within a couple of years a majority of you said Afghanistan should not have been attacked. Why not? Not because there weren't evil people in Afghanistan, but because bombing the country made everything worse, not better. You kept telling pollsters it was a bad idea for over another decade, but the war rolled on, and still rolls on. Iraq is a similar story, although you were even faster to change your mind. And the occupation ended when President Bush and Prime Minister Maliki signed an agreement for three more years of that war, and then the three years ran out. At that point, President Obama tried to win approval from the Iraqi government to keep U.S. troops in Iraq longer, but with immunity for any crimes they might commit. Failing at that, Obama withdrew the troops. Having won that concession now, he's sending them back in. Does the fact that it's Obama doing it, rather than Bush, make it OK? Remember the massive protests when Bush proposed a war on Iraq? Obama just put the band back together in Wales, and you're squealing with delight that he visited Stonehenge, or you're busy coloring in your "I'm Ready for Hillary" posters.
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Warning to War Supporters (Original Post) unhappycamper Sep 2014 OP
David Swanson has nailed this one. Autumn Sep 2014 #1
I remember when David still posted here at DU - TBF Sep 2014 #2
He's OBVIOUSLY a racist because of #4. I must be too because I think bombing will accomplish nothing corkhead Sep 2014 #3
He was correct during the Bush years TBF Sep 2014 #4
Kick grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #5

TBF

(32,060 posts)
2. I remember when David still posted here at DU -
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 10:46 AM
Sep 2014

it has been a different place since then. Thanks for bringing this over.

corkhead

(6,119 posts)
3. He's OBVIOUSLY a racist because of #4. I must be too because I think bombing will accomplish nothing
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 11:23 AM
Sep 2014

but kick a hornet's nest and enrich the MIC.

TBF

(32,060 posts)
4. He was correct during the Bush years
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 11:47 AM
Sep 2014

and he remains correct now. We need to get the hell out of there & work on alternative energy sources.

This behavior only encourages them - the MIC, Pnac, the street, and assorted others who are benefiting from the warmongering.

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