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Source: BBC
Greece will not default - PM Tsipras
New Greek PM Alexis Tsipras says his country will not default on its debts.
Addressing his first cabinet meeting since Sunday's victory, Mr Tsipras said he would negotiate with creditors over the 240bn (£179bn; $270bn) bailout.
"We won't get into a mutually destructive clash but we will not continue a policy of subjection," said the left-wing Syriza party leader.
Germany's vice-chancellor said it was unfair of Greece to expect other states to pick up its bills.
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(81,859 posts)cascadiance
(19,537 posts)Sigh.... If only Turkey didn't have such a bad leader in Erdogan now. You know what would be a really great symbolic gesture if they had someone more enlightened in charge there is if you could have Greece pull out of the European Union and Turkey pull out of its efforts to join the European Union, and both Turkey and Greece join together to start their own union after so many centuries of being apart from each other and appeal to other countries that vote in leadership against such austerity and 1% serving agendas as the start of a unified voice against the 1% hegemony. Maybe Greece could find another partner, but Turkey would have been perfect geographically and historically for such a move.
Maybe Greece can find another similar partner close by to do this with.
TooPragmatic
(50 posts)Greece and Turkey in a union? They hate one another more than any other country.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)There were a lot of Turks, Kurds, and others that came together in that protest, and could be a signal for the future where a lot of those past heavy differences might be going away.
http://www.vice.com/gr/read/talking-to-turkeys-kurds-at-occupy-gezi
If the Gezi Park movement in Turkey were to really grow the way the protest movements in Greece grew, and they were to put in Turkey's government people with their views in charge the way the Greeks did, I think such a dream MIGHT become reality, and if were to be true, what better symbol could we have globally that times are changing and that the movement isn't about past cultural differences, but a global movement of the 99% everywhere against those traditional 1% powers that have controlled us!
And you say its impossible for a Kurd or someone with Greek sympathies to be elected in Turkey?
Well, the once party of Ataturk that was put out of power by the AKP and Erdogan earlier now has fielded many different Kurdish candidates, including one that ran against Erdogan a few years ago. I think there's a chance to make a difference if we help these different divided cultures embrace change and come together as a newer generation who sees more the global austerity problems than they do their other traditional cultural differences replace those older generations as those in power.
TooPragmatic
(50 posts)Turkey has one major flaw and that is the opposition is divided among many smaller parties and they have problems coming together on many issues. The protests can build momentum but like many other movements they might fall short because of the lack of common grounds. That is the same problem as it is in Russia where ultimately people feel that voting someone else might lead to unstable alliances and society collapsing. Not saying this is true, but for many in these countries it is the realty they perceive.
http://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/articles/13935/turkey-s-schizophrenic-opposition-unlikely-to-defeat-erdogan-and-unified-akp
And I didn't say that no Kurd with Greek sympathies couldn't be elected. Simply stated that it is unlikely that it would be a strong enough view to change their relation. At least not in the short to medium time span. AKP's majority and ability to dominate Turkish politics, society and media is a force that the current opposition has a tough time dealing with. During AKP reign there has been prosperity for many and unfortunately many people are willing to trade freedoms for economic security. And Turkey before the AKP didn't offer economic stability.
Turkeys economy and inflation before AKP
http://online.sfsu.edu/mingli/fin535_spring_07/course2docs/Inflation%20in%20Turkey.pdf
And after
http://file.insightturkey.com/Files/Pdf/03_karagol_3_w.pdf
PS. Don't support the current regime in Turkey and support the idea of openness and democracy, but as someone outside of Turkey, their is little I can do persuade those supporting AKP because of the positive accomplishments to the average Turk. Especially since the opposition is so divided and doesn't seem to be able to combat in uniform against the current regime.
And Syriza's coalition partner is not going to help with this.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/26/greece-elections-who-are-independent-greeks