Gaza rules: Kill 2 Palestinian women on cellphones in an orchard so Israeli soldiers face zero risk

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

http://mondoweiss.net/2015/05/testimonies-palestinian-cellphones

The anonymous soldier testimonies from the 2014 Gaza onslaught released today by the Israeli veterans group Breaking the Silence (and reported in the Washington Post, the Independent, and Guardian) suggest more madness than method in Israel’s overwhelming and indiscriminate attacks in Gaza. “Fire at every person you see,” is the Independent’s headline.

Underlying the testimonies, though, are two new doctrines of war that the Israeli military has adopted at the highest level in order to combat violent Palestinian resistance: 1, zero risk to Israeli troops, 2, destruction of entire neighborhoods as a form of deterrence and collective punishment.
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Shaul says that Israel crossed lines it had not crossed before: “In 2002 in Gaza during the second intifada, in order to fire one shell, a colonel needed to approve it. In Operation Protective Edge [the 2014 operation] you could have a 19-and-a-half-year-old sergeant who commands a tank firing dozens of shells a day and no one asks a question. It’s war.”

He goes on, “What we understand is that the IDF has changed its way of fighting, basically abandoned the ethical code without having any conversation, without having any discussion. It’s a mad doctrine, and the IDF didn’t adopt it formally. Even some people in the general staff think it’s mad, but this is the way we fight.”

More madness than method...

[Jefferson23]

1. It is primarily about submission and if they resist, well, you know what is coming.

They keep resisting their occupiers despite the odds..it is what people do.

[4now]

2. The IDF prefers to murder innocent women and children

Last summer Israel murdered over 400 innocent Palestinian children.
Israel has become the terrorist.

[King_David]

6. And Hamas was 100% responsible

For hiding its terrorists live killers and ticking time bombs in schools and hospitals and anywhere kids were at play.


Why Hamas stores its weapons inside hospitals, mosques and schools

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/07/31/why-hamas-stores-its-weapons-inside-hospitals-mosques-and-schools/

[azurnoir]

8. yes Israel makes such claims usually with zero proof

from your link

To many observers, one of the most troublesome facts of the Gaza Strip conflict — which has killed around 1,340 Palestinians, many of them civilians, and 56 Israeli soldiers — has been Israel’s apparent willingness to strike civilian institutions such as mosques, schools and hospitals. On Wednesday, following a strike on a school while its inhabitants slept, killing 20 people and wounding dozens more, a United Nations official said Israel had violated international law. “I condemn in the strongest possible terms the serious violation of international law by Israel forces, said U.N. official Pierre Krähenbühl. “This is an affront to all of us, a source of universal shame. Today the world stands disgraced.”

[King_David]

10. And ? Hamas was responsible

[azurnoir]

11. yes we're told quite frequently Israel is not responsible for its actions the devil made them do it

or some such

[Little Tich]

15. Hamas? The war crimes described in the OP were committed by IDF soldiers... n/t

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

17. Shhhhh...

You're asking for somebody to assess facts vs hasbara.

It's hard for some to come to terms with Israelis acting the part of the murderer.

[Fred Sanders]

3. I get it. Pretend to be the world's most ethical army, just like pretending not having 100 nuclear

bombs...easy, once you get into the habit of lying and the head of state lies without apology.

[azurnoir]

4. Dahiya doctrine

2. The second doctrine is the Dahiya doctrine, developed during the second Lebanon war in the Beirut neighborhood of Dahiya, of bombing portions of the enemy’s cities to ashes. This idea reflects an understanding of asymmetrical war: We can’t really ever win the war, we can’t wipe out the militants, but we can buy time between rounds of conflict by making so much damage that it will cause them to think 20,000 times before they pick a fight. So responding proportionately is a strategic error, we have to bomb them so much as to create deterrence. - See more at:

http://mondoweiss.net/2015/05/testimonies-palestinian-cellphones#sthash.eDNwUiEv.dpuf

the Dahiya doctrine also allows that any of what would normally be considered civilian infrastructure that could be used by combatants including but not limited to housing, water treatment plants, and electrical plants be military targets

[Jackpine Radical]

5. As long as they're only destroying one neighborhood at a time,

it's not genocide, so quit saying that.

And yes, Hamas is a bunch of amoral, criminal assholes. That's kinda what you get when you drive people into a corner with no way to escape.

[azurnoir]

7. so you're saying killing children is excusable because weapons were hidden in vacant buildings?

the schools were vacant when the weapons were hidden there

[Jackpine Radical]

9. I thought maybe my sarcasm would be apparent.

Wrong again.

[azurnoir]

12. sorry

[Jackpine Radical]

13. De rien.

[Little Tich]

14. If these allegations are only partially true, then the ICC definitely has a case.

BTS hasn't lied in the past, so it's quite possible that these allegations are true. These events seem to be bona fide war crimes. That would mean that most, if not all of the dead civilians in Gaza were murdered. That's a horrible thought.

If the events described happened in the armed forces of a civilized country like the US, there would be charges laid, or at least a dishonorable discharge. This would probably involve those who reported the events to BTS as well.

This is so bad. “Purity of Arms” is a concept that should be outlawed.

[guillaumeb]

16. When you posted:

"If the events described happened in the armed forces of a civilized country like the US, there would be charges laid, or at least a dishonorable discharge."

I thought of what happened when the US Marines depopulated Fallujah.

No charges, no real follow up.

[Little Tich]

18. You got me there. 800 civilians didn’t die from natural causes.

Someone ought to stand trial for this.