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Israeli

(4,141 posts)
Thu May 7, 2015, 06:58 AM May 2015

Bennett to advance Judaism, not democracy, in education system

The Knesset elections in March distanced us from the "diplomatic horizon" that our politicians love to talk about. Just like any other horizon, it seems as if the closer we get, the further away it goes. The one exception is the political horizon, with which our politicians love to dabble. The closer we get to that, the closer and more tangible it actually becomes.

The most prominent message of the last election and of the government to be formed in its wake is that a “good Israeli” is a straight, conservative, right-wing Jew who hates Arabs. All the rest are delusional leftists at best and at worst, despicable traitors. The easiest target audience to absorb these messages, whether explicit or implicit, is students. At the same time, Israel’s children are the greatest reservoir of potential voters for the government. Now, the system charged with shaping their moral and political worldview is about to be handed over to the chairman of HaBayit HaYehudi, Naftali Bennett, the most talented salesman for a monolithic brand of Orthodox Zionism, and also the most dangerous.

And if there are no last-minute changes, control of Israeli culture will be handed over to Knesset member Ayelet Shaked, Bennett's colleague in this radicalized incarnation of the National Religious Party leadership. It seems as if the decision today of Foreign Minister Avigdor Liberman to transfer his Yisrael Beitenu Party from the government table to the opposition benches has left the foreign minister portfolio vacant. But a more general assessment would indicate that HaBayit HaYehudi would benefit greatly from taking over the education and culture ministries than getting the Foreign Ministry.

Although the sector represented by HaBayit HaYehudi makes up no more than 10% of the country’s population, its leaders are determined to instill a distilled version of its values to all children in Israel. The party’s platform states, “Our most urgent task is to create a Jewish-Zionist educational unit to operate in the State of Israel’s public school system. … HaBayit HaYehudi will spearhead a nationalist plan to promote Jewish and Zionist identity among all students from grade 1 through grade 12.” Democracy? Gentile nonsense. Education toward peace? The delusions of the left. Human rights? A waste of time.

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http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/05/israel-education-minister-bennett-shaked-religious-zionism.html

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Bennett to advance Judaism, not democracy, in education system (Original Post) Israeli May 2015 OP
They're on their way..good luck. n/t Jefferson23 May 2015 #1
nationalism plus religion/ethnicity is always a toxic mix that produces the same poison geek tragedy May 2015 #2
The Arabs, as a whole, are the scape goats in Israel in the same way R. Daneel Olivaw May 2015 #3
only fair, as the Arab despots have long used Israel as a scapegoat/distraction geek tragedy May 2015 #4
But I expect more from a democracy to not R. Daneel Olivaw May 2015 #5
Israel has been undergoing a long transition from Western-style democracy geek tragedy May 2015 #6
It's a shame really. R. Daneel Olivaw May 2015 #7
Again: King_David May 2015 #8
A Zen response? guillaumeb May 2015 #9
I'm talking about my name being included in someone's sig line King_David May 2015 #10
Projection on your part? guillaumeb May 2015 #11
Jewish people don't believe in Santa Clause King_David May 2015 #12
And just how would the OP awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #15
It is obvious what the signature line "says" guillaumeb May 2015 #16
I did not say he has ill feelings toward King David... awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #17
There's no bigotry. Israeli has no issue with gay people. Ken Burch May 2015 #13
then why doesnt she put him on ignore and be done with it Mosby May 2015 #18
Israeli may not be aware of the "Ignore" button. Ken Burch May 2015 #21
Really ? I'm mentioned in her/his sig line King_David May 2015 #20
As it happens, you are gay(as is at least one other long-time I/P poster). Ken Burch May 2015 #22
How do you alert on a sig line? King_David May 2015 #23
You alert on it by checking the circle in the alert form that says Ken Burch May 2015 #24
I'm definitely not pro settlement King_David May 2015 #25
I was #7 awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #14
Thank you King_David May 2015 #19
I think the sig line has been changed oberliner May 2015 #26
Yes King_David May 2015 #27
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
2. nationalism plus religion/ethnicity is always a toxic mix that produces the same poison
Thu May 7, 2015, 12:00 PM
May 2015

People thought Israel would be the exception to the rule, but alas here we are.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
3. The Arabs, as a whole, are the scape goats in Israel in the same way
Thu May 7, 2015, 12:14 PM
May 2015

that other ethnic groups in Europe were.

Sad how history repeats itself.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
4. only fair, as the Arab despots have long used Israel as a scapegoat/distraction
Thu May 7, 2015, 12:18 PM
May 2015

to deflect criticism of their own misrule.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
5. But I expect more from a democracy to not
Thu May 7, 2015, 12:23 PM
May 2015

act like despotic ones.

Once they act the same is there any difference?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
6. Israel has been undergoing a long transition from Western-style democracy
Thu May 7, 2015, 12:27 PM
May 2015

to middle eastern style tribalist rule.


more like Jordan than like Canada

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
7. It's a shame really.
Thu May 7, 2015, 12:32 PM
May 2015

There are some that will deny that to the bitter end while screaming about anti-Semites everywhere.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
8. Again:
Wed May 13, 2015, 07:09 PM
May 2015

It's very creepy that your sig line includes my name in it
Are you stalking me or are you outwitted in argument or is it as has been suggested many times before , that you do not engage in conversation with Gay , homosexual people?

It's creepy thing you mention my name in your sig line.

It's also very immature. And a bully tactic too...( won't work either )

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
9. A Zen response?
Wed May 13, 2015, 07:37 PM
May 2015

What is the sound of one voice speaking?
A monologue, not a dialogue.

Any comments about the substance of the post, and the state fascism that is being established in Israel?

Interesting that the word "democracy" would even be used to describe a state that is no more a democracy than was the US (before women and blacks were allowed to vote).

King_David

(14,851 posts)
10. I'm talking about my name being included in someone's sig line
Wed May 13, 2015, 07:43 PM
May 2015

For odious reasons . The immaturity of that action. The bigoted reasons for such poster doing that. The creepiness of it all.

I never even read her/ his posts.

He/ she is welcome to ignore me , in fact I encourage it but quit this childish bigoted behavior of adding my name to his/ her ridiculous sig line.

It's an attempted bully tactic that is immature, childish , and some would say bigoted.

That all.

( and btw that Internet bully tactic could very well be considered a crime in California and Canada)

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
11. Projection on your part?
Wed May 13, 2015, 07:52 PM
May 2015

Perhaps the poster does not like the Biblical King and his shameful behavior with Bathsheba.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
15. And just how would the OP
Thu May 14, 2015, 06:14 PM
May 2015

communicate with the Biblical King David? It is obvious what the sig line means.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
16. It is obvious what the signature line "says"
Thu May 14, 2015, 06:24 PM
May 2015

But the meaning is open to interpretation. Do you assume, absent specifics that you have not provided, that the poster bears any ill feelings to King David?

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
17. I did not say he has ill feelings toward King David...
Thu May 14, 2015, 06:41 PM
May 2015

The sig line says "No matter what... I refuse to respond to King David". That means that that poster refuses to respond to King David. It says nothing about why, an I did not say it did.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
13. There's no bigotry. Israeli has no issue with gay people.
Thu May 14, 2015, 05:56 PM
May 2015

She simply chooses not to respond to you as an individual.

Mosby

(16,295 posts)
18. then why doesnt she put him on ignore and be done with it
Thu May 14, 2015, 07:34 PM
May 2015

This is classic passive aggressive behavior.

The group host and the admins have been made aware, and I would encourage more people to speak up.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
21. Israeli may not be aware of the "Ignore" button.
Thu May 14, 2015, 09:07 PM
May 2015

She's only been posting here for a year or so.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
20. Really ? I'm mentioned in her/his sig line
Thu May 14, 2015, 08:06 PM
May 2015

The only difference between myself and the other American Jews is I am gay.

They are not mentioned in the sig line.
It's plain old creepy .

Put me on ignore or ignore me but what's with the bully tactic...

One can only assume it's because I'm gay .

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
22. As it happens, you are gay(as is at least one other long-time I/P poster).
Thu May 14, 2015, 09:10 PM
May 2015

But I doubt that it's that. It's most likely that you take some of the most hawkish and at times right-wing positions on the I/P
issue(you're about the only poster who has actively defended the expansion of the West Bank settlements, for example.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
23. How do you alert on a sig line?
Thu May 14, 2015, 10:01 PM
May 2015

I actively defended the expansion of West Bank settlements?

Huh ?

Where do you get this from? Link it up?

How does one alert on a sig line?

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
24. You alert on it by checking the circle in the alert form that says
Thu May 14, 2015, 10:17 PM
May 2015

that the poster's avatar or sig line is inappropriate.

It the last alert option in the series of three.

And your pro-settlement position is well-known.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
14. I was #7
Thu May 14, 2015, 06:13 PM
May 2015

On Thu May 14, 2015, 11:54 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Again:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=103594

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Poster is harassing the OP just because the OP's "sig line" states that the OP won't respond to this poster. False implication that the OP is homophobic and a bully.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri May 15, 2015, 12:11 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Agree that this is accusing someone of being homophobic without anything to back it up? Weird post, it's hard to make out what the hell is going on, maybe the poster should step away from the keyboard and go outside for a bit?
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I'm very loath to hide a post. We're all big boys and girls here. But the poster (for reasons not clear to me) seems to feel some degree of threat. Complete nonsense.

King_David is not actually your name, I suspect. If someone includes it in their sig, it's very probably for other reasons.

So, I'm voting to not hide it. I know I've just made a case for actually hiding it, but I don't like hiding posts unless they are racist or misogynistic.

Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: seems the OP has an issue with King David, I don't know what it is...
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: let it stay out there - people have already commented. i don't know what the deal is with these 2 but do not believe this warrants being hidden. after all the OP does have his name in his sig line. that's kinda weird.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The alerter shouldn't have that sig line if they don't want to be asked about it.

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