Netanyahu: New alliances forming in Mideast that may make peace progress possible

[Jefferson23]

PM says lesson 70 years after Allied victory over Nazis is that Jews must be able to defend themselves.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu sent a conciliatory message to the world Thursday night, saying his new government will examine all the ways of leveraging the shifting alliances in the Middle East to possibly move the peace process forward.

Netanyahu, speaking at a ceremony at Latrun marking 70 years to the Allied victory over the Nazis, said that there are many security diplomatic and economic challenges facing the new government that he will present next week.

“The biggest challenge is Iran's attempts to arm itself with nuclear weapons, and in parallel to open fronts of terror and occupation throughout the Middle East around our borders,” he said.

Netanyahu asserted that Israel can meet those challenges, and that Israel knows that it is not the only country in the region threatened by Iran.

in full: http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Netanyahu-New-alliances-forming-in-Mideast-that-may-make-peace-progress-possible-402452

[oberliner]

1. Was that a message to KSA?

Is that the country he means?

[geek tragedy]

3. Yes, Israel and KSA have discovered a growing bond and affinity for one another.

Ironic, no?

[Scootaloo]

4. Sure reads that way

Shouldn't be a surprise to anyone who pays attention. The US's Shitty Little Client States have been buddies since at least the 90's, if not earlier.

[oberliner]

5. You have no idea what you are talking about

The two countries have no diplomatic relations and never have. Saudi Arabia has banned all Israelis from entering their country. Also non-Israelis with an Israeli stamp on their passport. Saudi Arabia bans all Israeli goods from entering the country too.

[Scootaloo]

8. I know precisely what I am talking about Oberliner

The two states do not have formal diplomatic relations. If you really, honestly think there is no interaction between the United State's most valuable pawns in the middle east, than I dunno what to tell you.

[oberliner]

12. Israelis are not allowed to set foot in Saudi Arabia

That's not usually the hallmark of friendly relations.

[eloydude]

15. This showed up in Tel-Aviv yesterday, causing a stir...

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=485d4c2a&opt=0

[geek tragedy]

13. Pawns? Those two tend to lead the US around by the nose rather

than vice-versa.

[Scootaloo]

32. If we are being "led" where we wanted to go anyway, are we being led?

No, they give us a cover of plausible deniability. They are "local gens," essentially, that ct in proxy for Us interests. Take for instance Syria. The Us has wanted the Assad regime gone for decades now. Can we throw in to topple it? Hell no, not after iraq's fiasco we can't. But we can shrug and act perplexed when Saudi arabia "suddenly decides" that the regime needs to be toppled, and starts arming and funding an islamist insurgency in the country.

'What can we do?' we say. "Saudi Arabia's doing it, it's their neighborhood. All we can do is shake our fingers and look like we feel bad!"

Of course the weapons are made by Us companies, sold by the US government, to Saudi Arabia, which them uses them in a way that just happens to mesh perfectly well with US plans for the region. What, do you think the United States, with its 40 year history of arming and supporting militarily powerful but politically weak Islamist movements, is suddenly worried about Daesh?

There's a lot going on there, and basically comes down to one thing - the prevention of regional stability in the middle east. Not just by the US, though we are the biggest driver of this idea. Stability in the middle east could lead to strong governments with solid bargaining positions and an informed populace willing to support those governments. This, of course makes cheap resource extraction quite difficult, which is why in our entire history, the US has only exceptionally rarely thrown any support behind democracy in the developing world (and even then only when we can basically get that nation to sign obligatory contracts with us, making the democracy little more than a parade)

[geek tragedy]

2. Bibi translator: "move peace forward" = "start a war with Iran"

He's not talking about aligning with other states in the area to freeze settlement construction. It's all about hyping the threat from Iran.

[Mosby]

6. A war won't be necessary

couple missile strikes should do it.


You probably haven't heard the latest about their lying lead negotiator:

Iran Arrests Leading Rights Activist, One Week After FM Says No One Jailed for Opinions

http://www.thetower.org/1994-iran-arrests-leading-rights-activist-one-week-after-fm-says-no-one-jailed-for-opinions/


Clearly this is a very trustworthy person, as a Jew I should probably just lighten the fuck up, right?

[geek tragedy]

7. "couple missile strikes should do it". Ok Senator Cotton.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/08/politics/tom-cotton-bombing-iran-several-days/index.html

A U.S. military campaign against Iran's nuclear facilities would only take "several days" of bombing, Sen. Tom Cotton said Tuesday.

Cotton, the Arkansas Republican freshman who has emerged as a leading critic of President Barack Obama's effort to strike a deal to thwart Iran's nuclear ambitions, told the Family Research Council's Washington Watch radio that Obama's assertion that the alternative to the pact is war is a "false choice."

...

Cotton said a military campaign against Iran -- which Obama has said he wants to avoid -- wouldn't be a full-scale war.

Instead, he said, it would look much like 1998's Operation Desert Fox, during which the United States and United Kingdom bombed Iraq for four days after it failed to comply with United Nations inspection requirements.

No one trusts the Iranians. As someone who consistently pushes rightwing, Neocon, war-promoting propaganda from rightwing sources such as the hardcore Neocon warmongering site:

http://www.thetower.org/article/dare-say-mullahs-must-go/

you just linked to, yes you should lighten up.

[Mosby]

10. Iran is the most aggressive country on the planet right now

But you think I should lighten up about the risk to their most hated enemy.

I think your being a tad naive.

[geek tragedy]

11. Their most hated enemy is ISIS.

Spare us the Cheney-style fear-mongering.

Israel is always free to start its own war with Iran. Just don't expect us to fight it for Israel.

[Scootaloo]

20. I think you missed a few

Russia stands out. There's the United States, of course. Saudi Arabia's doing some shit.

I think you're being a tad ignorant. But it's not your fault, looking at the sources you regularly use, I can safely say that in your case, it is the media's fault.

[Mosby]

25. There is nothing we can do about Russia and KSA is an ally

[Scootaloo]

31. Your statement was still very incorrect.

And yes, KSA is "an ally." An ally that is using our cluster bombs to tear apart civilians in Yemen right now. Maybe the US ought to reconsider its regional friendships, 'cause neither of our very good buddies in the Middle east are doing us any favors.

[Scootaloo]

9. Do you check under your bed for Iranians every night before sleeping?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

19. ...

[Mosby]

27. scoot is so clever isn't he?

you should have also used the rolf emoticon, you know the one.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

28. No need to mos. What I posted did the job.

[Mosby]

29. "did the job"?

Maybe you need a reminder about the DU community standards.

Our Community Standards

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[R. Daneel Olivaw]

33. Yes, mos, did the job. No, I don't need lectures,

tongue clucking or pearl clutching.

So go on and about whatever phantoms you are waving at...if you need to.

[King_David]

30. I don't think scootaloo should go into comedy

An appreciative audience of one is not a good start .

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

34. Well, dave, your one man act certainly keeps us laughing...

[Jefferson23]

14. Yes, and he'll continue to do so as well as the supporters..memes don't die easily in Israel. n/t

[Little Tich]

16. OK. I get it now. The “peace process” is all about finding a new partner for attacking Iran.

I’m not so sure the Saudis are willing to help.

[geek tragedy]

17. They are willing to let someone else

do the dirty work.

Usually that's the USA.

[Little Tich]

18. Usually, but not this time, I think.

The US seems reluctant to attack yet another country in the Middle-East, that’s why Netanyahu is offering an olive branch to the Saudis in the hope that they can start a war together.

[Scootaloo]

21. Even Dubya said the US wouldn't be on board with an Israel-Iran war

[oberliner]

23. Iran: We Welcome War with US

TEHRAN (FNA)- Lieutenant Commander of the Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC) Brigadier General Hossein Salami played down the US officials' war rhetoric against Iran, and stressed that the country has prepared itself for the worst case scenario.

"We have prepared ourselves for the most dangerous scenarios and this is no big deal and is simple to digest for us; we welcome war with the US as we do believe that it will be the scene for our success to display the real potentials of our power," Salami said in an interview with the state-run TV on Wednesday.

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13940217000440

[oberliner]

22. It's actually never been the USA

The opposite of what you have written is true.

[geek tragedy]

24. the Saudis most certainly have been content to let us do the dirty work

Ask Saddam

[azurnoir]

26. ah yes the enemy of my enemy and all that

however the covert relationship between KSA and Israel has been an 'open secret' for years now, rumors of KSA giving Israel the nod to use their airspace in an attack against Iran have been too, as this 2010 thread shows

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=124x324176