Israel/Palestine
Related: About this forumThe Nakba: Israel’s Catastrophe
The Palestinian Nakba is a catastrophe for the Jewish colonists and their descendants: it transformed the once decent surviving victims of European antisemitism and the Holocaust into terrorists, killers, thieves, racists, and liars - into the mirror image of their persecutors. And the same perverted brush tainted the UN and Western governments as collaborators of the sickest and most sadistic society in the world.
The 1947- 8 Nakba or Catastrophe was the execution of the systematic and savage terrorism set out in Plan Dalet with the clear purpose of ethnic cleansing Palestine of indigenous Palestinians in the Zionist quest for Lebensraum. This land expansionism extends from the Nile to the Euphrates Rivers for the benefit of Yahwehs chosen racists (Genesis 15:18). In reality, it is a Zionist imperial policy of racial restructuring of the Middle East (supplanting Arabs with Europeans) beginning with a Jewish state of Israel.
Over 700,000 terrified Palestinians stripped of belongings, money, homes, orchards, livestock, land, fleeing massacres by the merciless Jewish militia were forcibly expelled and rendered, for 67 years, stateless refugees packed into 59 ghettos in Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, the West Bank and Gaza: refugees who hold fast to the love of and the keys of their family homes rooted in the ancient genealogical soil of their Palestine. Their homes were either destroyed or squatted in by Jewish trespassers morally impervious to the wretched exile of the owners.
http://www.countercurrents.org/vlazna120515.htm
Author: Dr. Vacy Vlazna is Coordinator of Justice for Palestine Matters. She was Human Rights Advisor to the GAM team in the second round of the Acheh peace talks, Helsinki, February 2005 then withdrew on principle. Vacy was coordinator of the East Timor Justice Lobby as well as serving in East Timor with UNAMET and UNTAET from 1999-2001.
DetlefK
(16,670 posts)Out of all people, it is the Jews who don't remember the lessons of discrimination and oppression?
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)It affects the brutalizer as well as the brutalized. It happened in the US, it happened in Germany, in the USSR, in Japan, in China, and other countries too numerous to list.
It is always necessary for the enemy to be represented as subhuman. That makes it easier to kill them.
Very interesting post, oberliner.
Israeli
(4,485 posts)Published on Apr 22, 2015
What do Israelis really know about the Nakba? What do they think about the right of return of the Palestinian refugees?
De-Colonizer went out to meet and ask them...
It's very creepy that your sig line includes my name in it
Are you stalking me or are you outwitted in argument or is it as has been suggested many times before , that you do not engage in conversation with Gay , homosexual people?
It's creepy thing you mention my name in your sig line.
It's also very immature. And a bully tactic too...( won't work either )
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)n/t.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)It seems as if most of these people flunked Israeli history class. But their lack of resistance to the idea of Palestinians returning without uprooting Israelis is encouraging.
hack89
(39,181 posts)with the aim of eradicating the Jewish state and racially restructuring of the Middle East?
Ok.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)I know that Israel invaded the Arab areas of the Palestine Mandate in 1948, but I never heard of an invasion by 7 Arab states, at least not outside revisionist circles.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)So you've never read this Wikipedia entry (or you consider it revisionist circles)
Course of the 1948 ArabIsraeli War
Arab Invasion
Over the next few days, contingents of four of the seven countries of the Arab League at that time, namely Egypt, Iraq, Transjordan, and Syria, invaded territory in the former British Mandate of Palestine and fought the Israelis. They were supported by the Arab Liberation Army and corps of volunteers from Saudi Arabia, Lebanon and Yemen. The Arab armies launched a simultaneous offensive on all fronts, Egypt forces invaded from south, Jordanian and Iraqi forces invaded from east, while Syrian forces invaded from north. Co-operation among the various Arab armies was poor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestine_war
Are you actually claiming that there was no invasion by forces from these Arab states? This has all been fabricated by revisionists?
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)and they never entered any areas that were were allotted to the Jewish state, probably because Jordan's king still thought a peace deal was possible.
I'm not sure that I would call the crossing of the border by Arab armies into Arab territory an invasion, especially as they were there to save the local population from ethnic cleansing.
Shaktimaan
(5,397 posts)they never entered any areas that were were allotted to the Jewish state, probably because Jordan's king still thought a peace deal was possible.
These are the same nations that voted down the UN's partition agreement "allotting" areas to the Arab and Jewish states, right? In other words, there were no "arab areas" or "areas allotted to the Jewish state" since the resolution never passed.
There certainly were Jewish settlements and towns within the "arab lands" you describe, which were attacked, destroyed or put under siege by the invading Arab armies. How did attacking those sites further the defense of Arabs living in the surrounding areas?
That said, your entire argument is faulty, as the Arab armies certainly attacked israeli areas outside of partition designated Arab areas. They were prevented from invading these areas via ground infantry strictly because of israel's defense.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)areas allotted to the Jewish state, according to the partition plan.
I'm not sure what the rest of your argument is about.
Shaktimaan
(5,397 posts)The Arabs very first attack, on the eve of May 14th was on tel aviv. Retract away.
Not to mention the Fighting in Jerusalem and the seizure of what became east Jerusalem, none of which was allocated to the Arabs under partition. But of course the arabs rejected partition anyway, didn't they?
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)Jerusalem was supposed to be an international zone, and any armed forces entering were doing so wrongly. I think it's important to note that the Israeli forces were deployed in the corpus separatum first, and that the Arab legion refrained from entering until Israeli forces tried to take over Arab neighbourhoods. It seems as if one side in the conflict accepted the partition plan's borders for a Jewish state, and the other didn't.
I would recommend that you read up on the subject a little bit more. The "new" historians are a good start, I like Ilan Pappe, but you probably prefer Benny Morris, who has a strong pro-Zionist bias. Actually, if you google well, you could probably find his "The birth of the Palestinian refugee problem revisited" for download. At least I did. I haven't read it yet, though.
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)And given that the Zionist argument was that essentially Palestine was up for grabs once the British left, it seems nonsensical to argue that the Arabs "invaded" Palestine, unless the various jewish volunteers likewise "invaded".q
It was impossible of course for the Arabs to have invaded Israel, as it did not exist at the time.
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)A fairly stupid thing to do, given that the Arab legion was led by British officers.
Israeli commanders themselves have admitted that were it not for the Arab "invasion", the Jews would have conquered the whole of Palestine and scattered the Palestinians to the four winds entirely:-
'If it wasn't for the Arab invasion there would have been no stop to the expansion of the forces of Haganah who could have, with the same drive, reached the natural borders of western Israel (ie the Jordan river)"
Yiga Allon, commander in the Palmach and later general in the IDF.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)The use of loaded language is one giveaway. The gratuituos use of nazi-references, while not anti-Semitic in themselves, do seem to indicate a very strong and fundamental antipathy. There seems to be an attempt to vilify a group, and this group is clearly the Jews. According to how I define anti-Semitism: racism directed specifically at Jews, I have little doubt that the author is an anti-Semite.
I also took a look at some of her other articles, and the author very specifically reserves the use of nazi metaphors exclusively for Israel and Jews. The comparisons with nazis are very direct and would be outright offensive under any circumstances. All and only her articles about Israel have gratuitous nazi references.
One way of objectifying the Jews is the idea that the Jews should have learnt a lesson from the Holocaust and that either, they shouldn't treat the Palestinians the way they do, or even more sinister, that they learnt how to treat the Palestinians from the Holocaust. This isnt anti-Semitic in itself, but when the concept is used as a vessel for racism, its anti-Semitic.
To refer to Jews as European isnt anti-Semitic in itself, but in the context of Jews dont belong in the middle-East, its anti-Semitic. Also, when the author refers to a Jewish plot to replace Arabs with Europeans in the middle-East, its anti-Semitic IMHO.
And, yes the memes: parasitic, thieves, deranged, Arab-hass, child-killers; they are very strong indicators of anti-Semitism in the context.
Im not sure whether she calls for all Jews to leave Palestine, or something more sinister, so I wont accuse her of wanting a new Holocaust, at least.
There are too many instances in the article, where the author clearly refers to the Jews in a way that's clearly racist, but I will quote a few:
1st paragraph: ...it transformed the once decent surviving victims of European antisemitism and the Holocaust into terrorists, killers, thieves, racists, and liars - into the mirror image of their persecutors.
2nd paragraph: In reality, it is a Zionist imperial policy of racial restructuring of the Middle East (supplanting Arabs with Europeans) beginning with a Jewish state of Israel.
8th paragraph: The degradation of mind that inflicts such abhorrent extortion on victims hasnt existed since the Third Reich.
10th paragraph: Such orders are reminiscent of the Nazi Property Confiscation Order which goes a long way to explain the arrogant mindset of zionists indecently living in the confiscated homes and lands of the now 7.2 million Palestinians denied their inalienable Right of Return by successive Zionist governments.
11th paragraph: Meanwhile aliyah- immigration to Israel, is accorded to all Jews mainly attracting rabid radicalised messianic bigots from the USA who are housed in the illegal parasitic colonies that leech the land and livelihoods of the ethnic Palestinians.
etc
IMHO, Vacy Vlazna is an anti-Semite.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I thank you for sharing your thoughts and perspective - I'd be curious to know if there is anything close to a consensus here regarding your conclusions.
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)I think the idea of posting it was that the pro Palestinian commenters here were supposed to praise this shitty little piece to high heaven, only to find out that the author collects nazi memorabilia in her spare time. Cunning ruse, what? Suffice to say that has not happened.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)And your accusation that Dr. Vacy Vlazna "collects nazi memorabilia" is truly despicable (even if meant as some kind of joke).
The author's parents lived under Nazi occupation and the author has been very clear in condemning the atrocities of the Holocaust.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)If you know anything that contradicts that view, do tell...
oberliner
(58,724 posts)There are varying degrees. Just like not every racist supports the Klan. Anti-semitism and racism often manifests itself in other ways such as via criticism of Israel or Obama (Though, obviously, most people who criticize Israel or Obama are not doing so for those reasons).