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bemildred

(90,061 posts)
Thu May 21, 2015, 01:08 PM May 2015

UN resolution to impose 18-month deadline on Palestinian state talks

A UN security council resolution being drafted by France and New Zealand plans to set an 18-month deadline for completion of talks leading to the creation of a Palestinian state.

Details of the draft resolution – disclosed to the French newspaper Le Figaro – emerged on Thursday amid warnings that if no agreement was reached in that timeframe, France would go ahead and unilaterally recognise a Palestinian state.

Pressure appears to be mounting on Israelis and Palestinians, not least from Europe, to return to the negotiating table after a damaging hiatus in the peace process of more than a year.

According to sources familiar with the resolution, however, it is unlikely to be tabled until after the end of negotiations between Tehran and world powers over a deal on Iran’s nuclear programme – due to be completed by 30 June – and probably not before September.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/21/un-resolution-to-impose-18-month-deadline-on-palestinian-state-talks

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UN resolution to impose 18-month deadline on Palestinian state talks (Original Post) bemildred May 2015 OP
Step 1: Current Israeli government resigns oberliner May 2015 #1
The Europeans are really setting themselves up Mosby May 2015 #3
israel is already negotiating with hamas, and they've negotiated with plenty of dictators geek tragedy May 2015 #6
Israel is not negotiating with Hamas Mosby May 2015 #8
Israel's strongest ally other than the US is the dictatorship in Egypt geek tragedy May 2015 #9
talking about regional issues with their neighbors is one thing Mosby May 2015 #13
"negotiating with a dictator and a terrorist group about a peace agreement is just stupid" geek tragedy May 2015 #14
Good example Mosby May 2015 #19
Congratulations. You're the first person I've seen so determined to justify geek tragedy May 2015 #20
Definitely not true oberliner May 2015 #15
very few democracies in the area, but Israel has never had a geek tragedy May 2015 #16
I do agree with that oberliner May 2015 #17
Hate to disprove your assertations eloydude May 2015 #21
that's funny Mosby May 2015 #22
The Europeans are really setting themselves up. BillZBubb May 2015 #4
Man Israel must be huge by now oberliner May 2015 #18
Watch out, Palestinians, for the allegedly reasonable people. n/t Jefferson23 May 2015 #2
UNSC ya say? Well this aught to be worth a watch azurnoir May 2015 #5
An interesting question, I've no idea though. bemildred May 2015 #7
does tabling in this context mean the opposite of its meaning geek tragedy May 2015 #10
Yes, put on the table for discussion. bemildred May 2015 #11
anyone here willing to bet that the US would NOT veto any such resolution guillaumeb May 2015 #12
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
1. Step 1: Current Israeli government resigns
Thu May 21, 2015, 01:12 PM
May 2015

Step 2: Palestinians hold elections across the WB and Gaza and Hamas is voted into oblivion.

Then the good and reasonable Israeli and Palestinian people come together and reach an agreement with the help of other reasonable people in Europe, North America, and elsewhere.

Compromise is a word that needs to enter more people's lexicons.

Mosby

(16,168 posts)
3. The Europeans are really setting themselves up
Thu May 21, 2015, 03:42 PM
May 2015

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Trying to force Israel to negotiate with a dictator and a terrorist group is bat shit crazy.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
6. israel is already negotiating with hamas, and they've negotiated with plenty of dictators
Thu May 21, 2015, 04:28 PM
May 2015

throughout the years.

But, hey, we get it. negotiations get in the way of WAR WAR WAR so a certain ideological segment has to oppose them.

Mosby

(16,168 posts)
8. Israel is not negotiating with Hamas
Thu May 21, 2015, 04:53 PM
May 2015

But yeah, given that Israel is surrounded by dictators they have no choice but to talk to them.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
9. Israel's strongest ally other than the US is the dictatorship in Egypt
Thu May 21, 2015, 05:04 PM
May 2015

They also were extremely cozy with the regime in South Africa. Israel has never had any moral compunction in dealing with dictators.

So you've already conceded that Israel has no problem negotiating with authoritarian figures, so really you just want an excuse to avoid negotiations with the Palestinians.

As far as negotiating with Hamas is concerned,

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=israel+secret+negotiations+with+hamas

Mosby

(16,168 posts)
13. talking about regional issues with their neighbors is one thing
Thu May 21, 2015, 05:27 PM
May 2015

It has to be done, just like the US has to talk to the gulf states.

But negotiating with a dictator and a terrorist group about a peace agreement is just stupid, if the will of the people are not behind the results how can it be binding? Whats to stop the next dictator from annulling the agreement?



Mosby

(16,168 posts)
19. Good example
Thu May 21, 2015, 06:18 PM
May 2015
By a 54%-to-36% margin, Egyptians say their country should annul its three-decade-old peace agreement with Israel. Egyptian Muslims who sympathize with those who disagree with Islamic fundamentalists are nearly evenly divided in their views on the peace treaty; 48% favor maintaining the treaty with Israel and 51% favor annulment. Among those who sympathize with fundamentalists or who do not choose a side, the balance of opinion is in favor of annulling the treaty (51% favor annulment, 34% favor maintainance). Views on the peace treaty with Israel also vary by income group. Six-in-ten among those with lower incomes support annulling the peace agreement, while 45% of higher-income Egyptians agree. Attitudes also differ by education: 59% of those with a primary education or less favor annulling the treaty, while only 40% of those with a college education or more feel the same way.

http://www.pewresearch.org/daily-number/overturn-egypt-israel-peace-agreement/
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
20. Congratulations. You're the first person I've seen so determined to justify
Thu May 21, 2015, 06:34 PM
May 2015

Israel's intransigency and apartheid policies that they're willing to go back and repudiate Camp David, which has lead to 37 years (and counting) of uninterrupted peace between Israel and Egypt.

I mean, that's even beyond what Shelly Adelson and Bill Kristol are willing to say.

Well done.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
15. Definitely not true
Thu May 21, 2015, 05:40 PM
May 2015

Incidentally, which are the countries in the Middle East that are not run by dictators in your opinion and which are the ones that are?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
16. very few democracies in the area, but Israel has never had a
Thu May 21, 2015, 05:43 PM
May 2015

problem cutting deals with non-democracies.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
17. I do agree with that
Thu May 21, 2015, 05:50 PM
May 2015

Israeli, like the US (and most other countries), has no problems cutting deals with non-democracies that behave in a friendly manner towards them.

I don't, however, agree that Egypt is Israel's strongest ally after the US.

 

eloydude

(376 posts)
21. Hate to disprove your assertations
Thu May 21, 2015, 08:51 PM
May 2015

But this is from JPost, two days ago:

http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Abbas-Israel-and-Hamas-holding-secret-talks-403542


Abbas: Israel and Hamas holding secret talks


Israel and Hamas are holding secret talks over a number of issues, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas was quoted as saying on Tuesday.

Abbas, who is visiting Jordan, was quoted by a number of media outlets there as saying during a dinner with Jordanian and Palestinian officials that he has a “full protocol” of the purported talks between Hamas and Israel.

According to Abbas, the secret talks are being held at a time when Hamas continues to issue “baseless accusations” against the PA.

The Amman-based Ad-Dustour newspaper reported that the negotiations between Hamas and Israel were focused on a variety of issues, including the possibility of establishing a seaport for the Gaza Strip.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
4. The Europeans are really setting themselves up.
Thu May 21, 2015, 04:13 PM
May 2015

Expecting the Likud, UN resolution violating, land stealing fanatics to agree to any peace deal is insane.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
5. UNSC ya say? Well this aught to be worth a watch
Thu May 21, 2015, 04:17 PM
May 2015

stay tuned folks any guesses as to how far this will make it?

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
7. An interesting question, I've no idea though.
Thu May 21, 2015, 04:32 PM
May 2015

I imagine heads are waggling and there is muttering that "something must be done", but how much action that might result in would be hard to say. That would require agreement about more concrete things. But if it actually gets tabled after the Iran deal is done, that should be illuminating.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
11. Yes, put on the table for discussion.
Thu May 21, 2015, 05:09 PM
May 2015
According to sources familiar with the resolution, however, it is unlikely to be tabled until after the end of negotiations between Tehran and world powers over a deal on Iran’s nuclear programme – due to be completed by 30 June – and probably not before September.


That is what they mean there.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
12. anyone here willing to bet that the US would NOT veto any such resolution
Thu May 21, 2015, 05:10 PM
May 2015

that would actually require the Israelis to negotiate in good faith?

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