Amnesty: Hamas carried out Gaza killings and torture

[azurnoir]

In the latest report Amnesty says that Hamas forces committed the abuses during Israel's 50-day military offensive against Gaza, which began on 8 July and ended on 26 August 2014.

According to the report, at least 23 Palestinians were subjected to summary, extra-judicial executions. Most were already in prison, accused of acting for Israel, it says.

In addition "perceived political opponents" of Hamas were abducted, tortured or assaulted - "particularly members of the rival Fatah party and former members of the Palestinian Authority security forces in Gaza".

In one incident six men were shot dead outside a mosque as they knelt in hoods in front of a crowd of men, women, and children, the report says.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-32894633

[Scootaloo]

1. Abhorrent n/t

[oberliner]

3. What do you think should happen to Palestinians who collaborate with Israel?

Are they not responsible for the deaths of innocent Palestinian civilians?

What would be an appropriate punishment for them?

[Scootaloo]

4. Arrest and trials, perhaps?

Extrajudicial executions aren't any good.

[oberliner]

5. And if found guilty?

What would be a reasonable punishment?

[Scootaloo]

6. Well, if you know me, you'll know I don't support the death penalty, with a few exceptions

Spying is not such an exception, for me.

But it is for a great number of governments, it seems

[oberliner]

7. Do you buy this Amnesty report?

Note this comment:

Commenting on the Amnesty report, Salah Al-Bardaweel, Hamas’ official spokesman, called it “unjust and unfair”, adding that “its release in this way reveals the truth about the work of this organisation, which includes in its administration Israeli employees”.

Is that a legit concern?

[Scootaloo]

8. Are you asking questions just to see yourself type at this point?

[oberliner]

9. I don't understand that response

I was asking if you think this Amnesty report is legit or do you think it might be less than completely fair and accurate.

[Scootaloo]

13. That's a false dichotomy

It can be legitimate even while having inaccuracies.

If you're asking if if i think it's inaccurte? I dunno, I haven't read the report.

I realize that both Hamas and Israel apparently think amnesty is always full of shit, which to me, lends at least some amount of credence to the organization.

[oberliner]

15. OK fair enough

Here's a link to a PDF of the report, if interested:

Palestine (State of): ‘Strangling Necks’ Abductions, torture and summary killings of Palestinians by Hamas forces during the 2014 Gaza/Israel conflict

https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/mde21/1643/2015/en/

[Little Tich]

16. interesting. n/t

[Jefferson23]

10. lol

+1

[oberliner]

11. What is so funny?

I never understand this sort of silliness.

[King_David]

14. I don't get it either

Maybe an inside joke between those 2?

[NaturalHigh]

2. "accused of acting for Israel"

I doubt seriously that this has been proven.

[Jefferson23]

12. These murders are what they are, unjustifiable. How much scrutiny will there be for Abbas and

his deep devotion to his people during that period...hmm.

[shira]

17. Amnesty's reports back 2 of Israel's main claims

1. Amnesty acknowledges that Hamas rockets killed Palestinians.

2. Amnesty acknowledges Hamas used hospitals (like Shifa) to interrogate, torture, etc.


Makes it a little harder for the haters to claim Israel was responsible for all civilian deaths, or that they targeted civilian infrastructure unlawfully.

They've also acknowledged Hamas' human shielding.

[azurnoir]

18. yes 23 civilian deaths out of 1500-1800 have been attributed to Hamas

well it's a start I guess

[shira]

19. It's way more than that since >500 rockets fell short into Gaza.

Hard to believe that 500 rockets falling short caused only 23 deaths considering how densely populated Gaza is.

[azurnoir]

20. Got a link for that claim? Here's Amnesty's report and it says no such thing

https://www.amnesty.org/en/articles/news/2015/03/palestinian-armed-groups-killed-civilians-on-both-sides-in-2014-gaza-conflict/

[shira]

21. IDF claims it. Just as they claimed Hamas human shields which Amnesty...

....is reluctantly admitting given evidence it cannot possibly ignore.

[azurnoir]

22. oh IDF says so still got a link? and Amnesty doesn't seem too reluctant to me

[shira]

23. IDF said Hamas uses human shielding when everyone else lied, denying it.

Here's the source...
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AqLhz84lMCcvopizH52MPKb8gsbLEuBF7U2rk51tFXw/edit?pli=1#gid=0

[azurnoir]

24. so exactly who is Nehemia Gershoni the person who constructed the spread sheet ?

a bit less than convincing IMO anyone can construct such a document and claim anything they wish