Erdogan: 'Liberate Jerusalem' from the Jews

[King_David]

Turkish President continues trend of drawing parallels to historic Muslim conquerers as elections spell losses for AK Party.
Eldad Beck, Berlin
Published: 06.01.15, 11:04 / Israel News
Just one week before upcoming parliamentary elections in Turkey, President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and officials in his Justice and Development Party (AK Party) found a unique way to try and secure a victory at the polls by calling for the "liberation" of Jerusalem.

Erdoğan drew a straight historical line between the capture of Jerusalem from the crusaders by Saladin and the capture of Constantinople to the elections in Turkey due to take place next week. Although state employees were required to send a delegation to the celebration, under the threat of punishment, local media reported that many partakers left during the President's speech.

Attempts by Erdoğan and his allies to find political support by linking Jerusalem and Islam have formed a clear and solid trend in Turkey. Only a few days ago, Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu dedicated a new airport in the south of the country, naming it after Saladin. According to Davutoğlu, "It's a name that says to the Kurds, to Turkey, and to the Arabs, yes, this is our leader.

"It's a symbol that unites us," he continued. "All those who claim that Jerusalem is the Jew's holy city should be ashamed. We chose the name Saladin in order to send a message with the help of Allah that Jerusalem will always belong to the Kurds, to Turkey, to Arabs, to Muslims."

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4663579,00.html

[King_David]

1. I guess Erdogan is taking a leaf from the Netanyahu playbook on how to win elections nt

[bemildred]

45. I was just thinking how much they are alike.

I suppose that's why they don't get along, there can be only one center of attention.

[King_David]

46. They are both past their due dates

And neither knows when it's time to leave.

[Jefferson23]

2. All he needed to rely on is the 2004 advisory ruling, EJ is occupied territory under international

law.

[King_David]

3. I do not think that will be the final word on it,

It is still up for negotiation and will need to be finalized .

It will be a sticking point for sure.

[oberliner]

4. Pretty sure it doesn't say that EJ should belong to Turkey, though

If you have a citation for that, please do share.

[azurnoir]

6. and neither did Erdogan

in fact he did not say what the article claims either, that's an extrapolation at best

[Jefferson23]

7. Funny how that goes unnoticed. n/t

[oberliner]

8. The current PM of Turkey did

Is that not who was quoted in the article?

[azurnoir]

10. Erdogan is the current PM of Turkey and he did not say what the title claims

[oberliner]

12. No he's not

Better get over to Wikipedia!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Minister_of_Turkey

[azurnoir]

15. Regardless the title falsely attributes the quote to Erdogan

something which could call the veracity of the entire piece into question

[King_David]

19. No that's not true

That's not how it works.

The article is accurate.

[azurnoir]

20. Is it? Erdogan did not say that but it is indeed eye catching or 'click bait'

and maybe even appealing to some

[King_David]

21. Thats ridiculous:

"Conquest is Mecca, conquest is Saladin, it's to hoist the Islamic flag over Jerusalem again; conquest is the heritage of Mehmed II and conquest means forcing Turkey back on its feet," said Erdoğan in a speech on Saturday

Thats is pretty clear.

[azurnoir]

24. Still not the false quote in the article title

[King_David]

26. Next someone will say he was 'mistranslated' or something,

That is just silly.

It is pretty clear.

[azurnoir]

28. Nope hadn't even crossed my mind no need

[azurnoir]

16. oh and BTW Davutoglu did not say that either

I did however 'accidentally confuse' PM with President

[oberliner]

17. Yes he did

"... Jerusalem will always belong to the Kurds, to Turkey, to Arabs, to Muslims"

Is that quote fabricated?

[azurnoir]

18. "... Jerusalem will always belong to the Kurds, to Turkey, to Arabs, to Muslims" isn't the title

quote is it? Nor is what the ... represents

[leftynyc]

38. Y'know

Watching you pedantically complain about the title of the OP (several times in fact) rather than acknowledge the POINT of the OP - that Erdogan is an anti-semitic piece of shit who doesn't think Jews belong in Jerusalem - a city that is mentioned in the Jewish bible over 800 times - really makes your argument look very small and petty Now don't forget to hit the alert..

[azurnoir]

39. No alert I think your entire post should be left alone it speaks

for it self, notice I can argue for 10's of posts and never feel the need to name call and insult perhaps some are unable to do much of anything else

[King_David]

40. Leftynyc is right though

Every post about the headline was attempting to whitewash what Erdogan clearly said.

I don't think her post was alertable nor a personal attack either.

[azurnoir]

42. I'm surprised it took this long, pointing out that the title is false equates to defense

or I guess it does when you haven't got much else to refute the 'inaccuracy' , but I never defended Erdogan, nor did I condemn him either or discuss anything else save the click bait title but others down thread have discussed Jerusalem and have done quite well in showing how it is militarily occupied, it no more belongs to Israel than it does any other country at the moment

[leftynyc]

43. And you STILL

haven't seen fit to condemn his ACTUAL words. How pathetically predictable.

[azurnoir]

47. as I said East Jerusalem belongs to no country at the moment

Erdogan words were no different than those of any other politician who claims East Jerusalem for their country, however actual physical actions to make that a reality are condemnable under the circumstances

[King_David]

44. That's a whole different discussion

Another tangent to move the story away from what Leftnyc was saying ?

[azurnoir]

48. No it wasn't I discussed the comment starting with the title line

[King_David]

52. We were discussing the anti Jewish rhetoric of Erdogan

And how some poster believed the Headline was inaccurate and nullified everything.

And when other posters pointed out how silly that was now your changing the subject?

[azurnoir]

53. the headline was false and demonstrably so, and no I did change the subject at all

I added to what I had previously said or don't you feel that should be allowed

[King_David]

54. Attempted

But nobody bit.

[azurnoir]

55. if that is so why are we having this 'conversation"

someone bit and got quite defensive and accusatory too

[Scootaloo]

5. The whole of Jerusalem, actually

Remember, 1967 was not the first year of occupation.

[oberliner]

9. All of Israel as well then, right?

Why stop at Jerusalem?

[Scootaloo]

11. We've been over Israel's declared borders Oberliner.

And the fact that the 1949 armistice line specifically does not alter borders.

Repeatedly.

[oberliner]

14. Armistice line puts Jordan in charge of EJ

During their reign over the city, they expelled all the Jewish residents, destroyed the synagogues, and allowed no access to Jews to any of the holy sites (including the Jewish Quarter of the Old City).

[Scootaloo]

25. None of which changes Jerusalem's status as an occupied city.

[geek tragedy]

51. If residents of West Jerusalem were given a vote for

joining Israel or Palestine, how would that vote go?

[aranthus]

27. Just so we're clear.

Is it your position that the Partition Resolution (UNGAR 181) established legally binding borders?

[Scootaloo]

33. No. However, when Israel declared its borders, those are the boundaries it chose.

[shira]

50. Moot point since the PLO recognized Israel in 1993, as is.

That's a legal document, recognized by the United Nations.

[Jefferson23]

13. This is how I look at it. When the advisory ruling came down, it was, in essence, the

only legal authority that considered the conflict. Who else throughout this monstrosity
of an occupation has been able to advocate for them? True, before that they have had in the
past the Question of Palestine UN resolution, which we both know was always blocked
by moi..I think we would agree, we know why the US is not and has not ever been an
honest broker. Not that the ruling ever brought the Palestinians their viable state, and
again, we know what prevents that. Nevertheless, it was a ruling Israel and the US did
not want the court to hear, as they knew damn well how it would turn out. Until the
Arab Initiative changed the wording under Kerry's request, there were no land swaps
as they are defined now...which is an injustice.

With that said, what else would there be to persuade the international community
to consider all of Jerusalem occupied? I have no confidence left in whatever the
hell the international community is and or does anymore, btw...sell outs, most of
them.

[King_David]

22. Some people have said Andalusia is occupied,

But that doesn't make it true.

[Scootaloo]

23. The reconquista predates modern international law between nation-states

It predates the concept of nation-states, even.

Israel's occupation of Palestine is completely modern, however.

So, nice try with the red herring Dave.

[King_David]

31. Not red herring at all

Completely accurate.

Your explanation not only does not hold,it does not make sense either

Exact same situations...EXACT SAME SITUATIONS !

[Scootaloo]

32. It holds perfectly well

In the eleventh through fifteenth centuries, sure, you could charge through laying about with your sword and spear and claim the territory behind your line as yours.

It doesn't work that way anymore, and it hasn't worked that way for a long time.

Jerusalem falls outside of Israel's declared borders. Thus, it is not part of Israel. Thus, Israel's authority over the city is that of an occupying foreign power, not a sovereign ruling government.

[Kurska]

35. So should Poland be forced to return East Prussia to Germany?

That example is only a few years older than the ones you are talking about.

[Scootaloo]

36. I beleive I addressed this last time you brought it up

The territorial disputes between Germany and Poland were settled in 1990 via treaty. germany ceded territorial claims on Poland, including any dispute over East Prussia

You guys are going to have to start writing these answers down, it'd save Du some bandwidth.

[King_David]

37. Some people say Andalusia is occupied and some people say all of Jerusalem is occupied

Same thing .

Cherry Chapstick is sold in Jerusalem but not in Andalusia... And you know what? That doesn't make the comparasin different either.

All that other stuff you wrote is not relevant at all .

You don't get to decide what makes something relevant or not.

[oberliner]

29. Here's a video of the speech

#t=33

Anyone want to have a go at a translation?

[King_David]

30. That will be accused of being a ' mistranslation'

Whoever translates it.

[Little Tich]

34. He's about as dumb as those idiots who talk about an undivided Jerusalem. n/t

[oberliner]

41. Why is it dumb to talk about an undivided Jerusalem?

I would think that is what most people would want. A shared capital for both states and both peoples. I know the position of the US and the European Union is that the city should not be divided.

[geek tragedy]

49. ISIS supporter Erdrogan calls for invasion of Israel.

Just the kind of rhetoric this region needs.

And to think Turkey was once considered for membership in the EU. They dodged a bullet with that one.