Israel demolishes 30 agricultural structures in Jordan Valley

[Jefferson23]

June 4, 2015 2:50 P.M. (Updated: June 4, 2015 2:56 P.M.)



NABLUS (Ma'an) -- Israeli forces demolished over 30 agricultural structures in the northern Jordan Valley on Thursday morning, local officials said.

Israeli bulldozers protected by military vehicles stormed an area known locally as Diraa Awwad near the Israeli military checkpoint Hamra, east of Nablus.

Bulldozers then demolished the structures including tents, barns, farmland, and water tanks belonging to Palestinian families, said Muataz Bisharat, an official from the governor's office in Tubas.

The Israeli forces "demolished almost the whole area," he explained, allegedly because the structures were built without a license. The structures belonged to locals Adnan Abd al-Mahdi Salamin, his brother Adil, Kayid Ghayyath, Nidhal Yousif Abu Awwad and his brother Nidham.

https://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=765756

[geek tragedy]

1. amazing how that works, they steal the Palestinians land and give it away

to the favored caste within Israel, and then demolish Palestinian homes based on faulty paperwork

Great fucking democracy.

[Jefferson23]

2. Israel’s Charade of Democracy ( B'Tselem )

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1134105008

Their supporters have blood on their hands too.

[Jefferson23]

93. Joined to get your hate across.

Have a nice day.

[oberliner]

3. Photo at link is from 2013

And is not of the incident described here (nor the area).

Deceptive, to say the least.

[King_David]

4. Par for course for Maan

[Jefferson23]

5. What is the name of the Palestinian publication you trust and use?

I recall asking you, and you could offer none.

The photo is of property being demolished, I wonder how much different these
photos would look from one another.

If you preferred not to comment on what Israel is doing, you could have ignored
the thread altogether instead of a bogus complaint about a photo.

[oberliner]

6. "bogus complaint about a photo"

Except that it's not "bogus" since the photo is from two years ago and is not of the incident described in the article. So that would be a legitimate complaint about a photo. Understand the difference?

[King_David]

11. The photo is a misrepresentation to say the least

And that's being kind , putting it together with the article of 2 different events location wise and spatially makes it a fabrication.

No different than articles that use photographs from Syria trying to pass them off as being in Israel .

You're right Palestine is in desperate need of a reliable publication/ newspaper which they just don't have at this time. Same goes for Gay /LGBT rights - they in desperate need in Palestine but unfortunately they just don't have and it doesn't look like they will have any anytime soon either.

[Jefferson23]

13. Misrepresenting a demolition with a demolition photo? No.

Do not use those tactics to state I agree with you about any Palestinian publication.

It is evident you don't like the question.

[oberliner]

15. Misrepresenting an incident with a photo of a different incident from 2 years ago

It's weird that you don't have any problem with that.

[King_David]

26. Of course it's a credibility problem

A huge credibility problem .

[King_David]

27. Tactics?

It was a brilliant response to your post.

[Jefferson23]

28. Patting yourself on the back won't change anything, your tactics included. n/t

[King_David]

31. Tactics ?

You flatter me, thanks.

I just answered a post regular like, didn't realize I had tactics.

Thank you.

[Jefferson23]

32. That is unfortunate for you, that you see that as a compliment..but whatever. n/t

[King_David]

35. You send an insult after a compliment ?

Do you dislike all your adversaries?

You must have a very difficult time liking anyone in the Democratic Party with their views on Israel so diametrically different than yours?

[Jefferson23]

37. Save your nonsense for someone who you believe won't see through it. n/t

[King_David]

38. Another insult ?

[Jefferson23]

39. Huh? What was the name of that Palestinian publication you use and trust? n/t

[King_David]

43. I believe I answered your question here,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=105198

[Jefferson23]

44. Your thinly veiled way of saying: None. n/t

[Zamen]

79. It's not unusual for the media to use stock photos

Their journalists can't be everywhere at once in order to witness everything first hand.

[oberliner]

83. It's not a stock photo

It was taken by another photographer from a different news outlet of a different incident and it was uncredited.

[azurnoir]

7. same story different source

and no distracting pictures either

Israel Demolishes 30 Agricultural Structures in Jordan Valley

Israeli forces demolished over 30 agricultural structures in the northern Jordan Valley on Thursday morning, local officials said.

Israeli bulldozers protected by military vehicles stormed an area known locally as Diraa Awwad near the Israeli military checkpoint Hamra, east of Nablus.

Bulldozers then demolished the structures including tents, barns, farmland, and water tanks belonging to Palestinian families, said Muataz Bisharat, an official from the governor’s office in Tubas.

The Israeli forces “demolished almost the whole area,” he explained, allegedly because the structures were built without a license. The structures belonged to locals Adnan Abd al-Mahdi Salamin, his brother Adil, Kayid Ghayyath, Nidhal Yousif Abu Awwad and his brother Nidham.

The area was declared a closed military zone.

An Israeli Civil Administration spokesperson confirmed 12 structures had been demolished in the area, but gave no further information.

http://www.palestinechronicle.com/israel-demolishes-30-agricultural-structures-in-jordan-valley/

[Jefferson23]

8. When you have nothing legitimate to say, you go for the bogus claims about a photo

depicting a demolition which is what occurred. lol

[azurnoir]

9. well "closed military zone" often equates to future settlement/outpost or settlement expansion zone

[Jefferson23]

10. Yep. n/t

[King_David]

12. You have an example of that?

Thanks....

[Jefferson23]

14. Read your own posts. n/t

[King_David]

25. Not sure what that even means ...

[azurnoir]

17. Here ya go

Israeli occupation forces prevented dozens of Palestinian farmers last Dec. 9 from cultivating tens of thousands of acres of their land in Khirbet Ain al-Sakut, in the northern Jordan Valley in the West Bank. Israel declared the region a closed military zone, as it has with several other regions in the Jordan Valley, such as the Wadi al-Maleh village.

The governor of the Tubas governorate in the northeastern West Bank, Rabih al-Khandakji, told Al-Monitor: “The region of al-Sakut has been classified as a closed military zone and a mine zone since its occupation in 1967. Yet, after the mines were removed, farmers tried to cultivate the land, since they have documents confirming they own it. However, the settlers prevented them from doing this. Later, the Israeli army intervened and declared it a closed military zone for Palestinians, but it is still open to settlers to farm and steal its waters.”

Palestinians are skeptical of the security justifications used by Israel to maintain control over the Jordan Valley. Khandakji said, “The security narrative that is advanced by Israel to hold onto the Jordan Valley is refuted by the measures the army carries out, including confiscating land for military exercises and then converting it to agricultural settlement, seizing water resources in the Jordan Valley, pursuing any Palestinian residential presence and destroying crops.”

Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/04/palestine-israel-jordan-valley-farmers-banned-entry.html#ixzz3c7DPSdJA

[King_David]

24. Thanks

[oberliner]

16. See how easy it is to post a story without a bogus photo?

Maybe Ma'an can learn from those folks since they seem to do that sort of thing all time.

[azurnoir]

18. I'm curious how did you date the picture, as the date is not included when you right click on it

and go for image info

[oberliner]

20. Pretty impressive, huh?

I can even tell you who the photographer was if you are curious.

[azurnoir]

21. again how? who was the photographer?

[oberliner]

29. The power of search engines

Jan 14 2013 House and barn demolished in Hebron

Photo by Hossam Abu Alan

https://occupiedpalestine.wordpress.com/2013/01/15/photos-israel-demolishes-house-barn-and-structures-in-hebron-jan-14-2013/#jp-carousel-121858

[azurnoir]

33. so you actually took the time to hunt down the photo in an attempt to delegitimize the thread?

ummm okay then

[oberliner]

34. Yes, exactly

The photo is bogus. We've established that.

The article also has some discrepancies. I'd like to learn more about what happened. What structures were demolished? Why is there a difference in the number stated by the Israeli side? What does it mean to "demolish" farmland?

It'd be nice if there was some actual reporting, where the reporter interviews people (Israelis and Palestinians) and tries to get more facts and information about what happened.

Also, a photo of what actually took place would be helpful. One would think it would be easy enough to take a picture of the remains of what was demolished and include that with the article.

Doesn't that kind of thing bother you?

[King_David]

36. Great post. nt

[azurnoir]

42. So without the say so of an Israeli it can not be believed? Why is that?

I provided another article on the incident here it is again, but alas no Israeli's to confirm

Israel Demolishes 30 Agricultural Structures in Jordan Valley

Israeli forces demolished over 30 agricultural structures in the northern Jordan Valley on Thursday morning, local officials said.

Israeli bulldozers protected by military vehicles stormed an area known locally as Diraa Awwad near the Israeli military checkpoint Hamra, east of Nablus.

Bulldozers then demolished the structures including tents, barns, farmland, and water tanks belonging to Palestinian families, said Muataz Bisharat, an official from the governor’s office in Tubas.

The Israeli forces “demolished almost the whole area,” he explained, allegedly because the structures were built without a license. The structures belonged to locals Adnan Abd al-Mahdi Salamin, his brother Adil, Kayid Ghayyath, Nidhal Yousif Abu Awwad and his brother Nidham.

The area was declared a closed military zone.

An Israeli Civil Administration spokesperson confirmed 12 structures had been demolished in the area, but gave no further information.

http://www.palestinechronicle.com/israel-demolishes-30-agricultural-structures-in-jordan-valley/

[Nitram]

45. Azurnoir, your bad faith in this debate/discussion is astounding.

You could have thanked the poster for identifying the date of the photo and the photographer because I assume you wouldn't want to post a photograph to illustrate a story that originated at a different place and time. Wouldn't it be more effective to stick to facts? You are delegitimizing this thread by insisting that the origin of the photo is irrelevant, and that bringing it up is merely a tactic. Cheap debate tactics aren't very persuasive.

[azurnoir]

46. did you forget a smilie?

[Nitram]

47. :-)

[azurnoir]

48. ......

[King_David]

54. Agreed

[Scootaloo]

51. Amazing logic from Oberliner

The story is fake because an image used was from Israel doing the same thing two years ago, proving Israel would never do such a thing, except in the exact story where the picture is not used.

[King_David]

56. Think it's okay to use a photo from a different time and a different place?

This whole thread is illuminating as to which people consider which publications credible or not.

If the NYT did that someone would be fired and if not the newspaper would lose all credibility and rightfully so.

[Jefferson23]

57. From your statement it seems obvious you're not aware of who gets fired from the NYT.

They pushed for the Iraq war, shamelessly...no one lost their job. Your photo outrage is hilarious.

[King_David]

58. It's not outrage

Its credibility.

[Jefferson23]

59. I don't think that is the problem you have with the OP. Have you stopped reading the NYT too? n/t

[King_David]

61. Did the NYT fabricate pictures from the past and from different locales

And try pass them off as current and got caught in a lye?

Nope.

[Jefferson23]

62. Pitch for a war based on lies too...but no biggie, right? lol

[King_David]

63. Does any credible publication fabricate the time and location

Of a picture and try pass it off as something it is not - in other words get caught in a lye- and remain credible?

I think not .

[Jefferson23]

64. uh huh. n/t

[King_David]

65. Agreed

It's just not done.
Thank you.

[Jefferson23]

66. Silly attempt you use, so often. You respond as though no one understands what you're doing. n/t

[King_David]

69. Not sure at all what that means,

But okay.

[oberliner]

72. It would be good if you were at least as suspicious of Ma'an as you are of the NY Times

That would be a step in the right direction.

[Scootaloo]

76. Except the NYT actually does it. As do CNN and MSNBC and every other news org

They're called "stock images," Dave. For instance a politician gives a speech where there is no photography allowed. A reporting paper will often run an image of the politician from a venue where photography IS allowed. Sometimes they even use footage in this way - CNN ran footage of a 2006 riot in Budapest to illustrate protests in Serbia in 2008.

No one was fired. There was some finger-waggling from watchdog groups. But it's common practice, or at least common enough that no one was out on their ass, and CNN didn't lose 'all credibility."

[Zamen]

77. Sometimes it is

The media, include the NYT, regularly use stock photos.

[King_David]

80. Stock photos of a different event a different time

And pretending it's happening like the article says ?

This photo wasn't labelled as a stock photo

It's was a pretense a lie a deception.

[Zamen]

81. For example, they often use a generic picture of an Israeli bulldozer

To accompany an article about home demolitions. Unless there's evidence of a more specific intent to mislead, I wouldn't call it a deception.

[King_David]

82. Your too generous, but yes this was deception.

[oberliner]

19. "Bulldozers then demolished the structures including tents, barns, farmland, and water tanks..."

Does farmland count as an agricultural structure? How do you demolish farmland?

Do you have a source that lists the 30 structures that were demolished?

[azurnoir]

22. on a roll today: Israeli forces level private Palestinian land near Hebron

Israeli forces leveled land, uprooted trees and soiled water wells in the southern West Bank town of Surif northwest of Hebron Thursday morning.

Surif Mayor Muhammad Lafi Ghneimat told Ma'an that several Israeli military vehicles and bulldozers stormed the western outskirts of Surif and damaged around 20 dunums (5 acres) of private Palestinian property locally known as Qarnat Hadid.

While toppling dry stone walls built on the land and razing olive trees, the destruction filled three local wells with the ruins, making them unusable.

Legal procedures regarding the land have been ongoing in Israeli courts since 2008, the mayor said.

Israeli authorities declared the land state property after local farmers attempted to reclaimed it in 2008, Ghneimat explained. Since that time, the farmers have been denied access to their private land.

"We tried to prevent the destruction today, but the Israeli soldiers blocked us and said they have a court order to level the area," the mayor added, confirming that neither he nor farmers had received any court decisions.

https://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=765755

[Jefferson23]

23. Horrible but they mean business and no one will stop them. ..thanks for the additional info.n/t

[shira]

30. Fail. Only sources of hate report this. Try again. n/t

[Scootaloo]

52. This is Maan, not Algmeiner or Gatestone. n/t

[shira]

60. Maan's a source of hate & Algemeiner, Gatestone don't come close to it. n/t

[Scootaloo]

75. Just becuase you agree with it does not mean it's not hate. it just makes you a hateful person.

[shira]

85. Another personal attack. Lemme know when you find some hate by Algemeiner. n/t

..

[guillaumeb]

40. Trying to manufacture a "controversy" about a photo,

while avoiding anything substantive to say about the post.

Classic deflection and diversion.

[Jefferson23]

41. Because that is all they ever have. n/t

[Nitram]

49. No, jefferson, that's all you didn't have.

Neither a legitimate argument nor legitimate evidence. How sad.

[Jefferson23]

50. lol yea right..the demolition photo outrage..so real. n/t

[Nitram]

53. If there is any outrage, it is that you are not embarrassed to link to an article...

...with a photo that is totally unrelated to the particular event. There's a name for that kind of journalism.

[Jefferson23]

55. Alright, alright, alright. n/t

[azurnoir]

67. so a stock photo of bulldozed property renders an article about bulldozed property

but a story about the same event describing the same actions is true have I got that right, or t least that's what I was told above.

Israel Demolishes 30 Agricultural Structures in Jordan Valley

Israeli forces demolished over 30 agricultural structures in the northern Jordan Valley on Thursday morning, local officials said.

Israeli bulldozers protected by military vehicles stormed an area known locally as Diraa Awwad near the Israeli military checkpoint Hamra, east of Nablus.

Bulldozers then demolished the structures including tents, barns, farmland, and water tanks belonging to Palestinian families, said Muataz Bisharat, an official from the governor’s office in Tubas.

The Israeli forces “demolished almost the whole area,” he explained, allegedly because the structures were built without a license. The structures belonged to locals Adnan Abd al-Mahdi Salamin, his brother Adil, Kayid Ghayyath, Nidhal Yousif Abu Awwad and his brother Nidham.

The area was declared a closed military zone.

An Israeli Civil Administration spokesperson confirmed 12 structures had been demolished in the area, but gave no further information.


http://www.palestinechronicle.com/israel-demolishes-30-agricultural-structures-in-jordan-valley/

[Nitram]

68. Obviously you are unacquainted with some basic principles of good journalism.

A stock photo should be labeled as such. It does not obviate your point about Israeli demolition of property. Next time, just thank your discussion partner for the info and move on. You sound defensive and wrong when you defend such an obvious red flag.

[King_David]

70. Yep

Agreed

[azurnoir]

71. so you acknowledge the story is true was the photo was labeled as being from the event in question?

or did you just assume it was?

[oberliner]

73. It's not a stock photo

It's an uncredited photo of a different incident by a different photographer from a different news outlet.

[azurnoir]

74. when used in that manner it becomes stock - unless of course the source is sueing maan for theft

perhaps you should email them and find out

[guillaumeb]

98. Yes. Many apologists for Israel must seize on any inconsistency

in an attempt to deflect from the reality that more and more people (and governments) are recognizing the inescapable fact that Israeli lawlessness and war crimes are preventing any real solution to the Palestinian tragedy.

Apologists cannot justify Israeli crimes, so deflection and diversion are standard practice. Add in demonization of any sources that are cited as proof of crimes committed by the Israeli occupiers.

If all else fails, they then often fall back on claims of anti-Semitism.

[Scootaloo]

78. Because they support abuse.

[Jefferson23]

84. Yes, the one thing they don't want to talk about..so use the faux outrage. Anything to discredit

a Palestinian source..sad stuff.

[shira]

87. When a Palestinian source promotes hate against Israel & Jews....

....that's good reason to call into question anything they report involving Jews.

See how that works?

[Jefferson23]

88. You've demonstrated that? No, you and the others here who keep talking about

your fabricated rage on a photo that illustrates a demolition within Israel are the
ones who need to self examine themselves.

Save your breath, I have heard enough nonsense on this topic.

[shira]

89. Yes, I've presented several Jew hating articles from Maan here at DU.

Ma'an admitted to publishing a hate screed, they removed the article...
http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=157&doc_id=8517

But then they followed that fiasco up by later publishing an article denying the Holocaust.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/113431278

And another one, this time on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion...
http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=157&doc_id=8600

========

They are who they are.

Jew Haters.

========

Trusting Maan to report fairly about Jews is like trusting Pat Robertson's CBN to report fairly about gays.

[Jefferson23]

90. So says Palwatch, manned by those people LIVING in the OPT.

You crack me up.

[shira]

86. Nah, they support real journalism. Not hate speech disguised as reporting. n/t

[longship]

94. Results of Jury on response.

Could not help but highlight the post which called OPer an anti-Semite.

Of course, the poster is gone, rightfully so. Thank you MIRT.

Here ya go:

On Sat Jun 6, 2015, 05:35 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

You're an antisemite
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=105572

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Not cool to call people "antisemite". Not polite either.

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Jun 6, 2015, 05:42 PM, and the Jury voted 7-0 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Posting information is not anti-Semitic.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I have to vote hide because using that dispariging word, should be called for, and the post they were answering was far from it.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Low post count. Phweee! Hey MIRT! Clean up on aisle four!

In the meantime, hide this garbage.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: The news is antisemitic now? This is a troll anyway.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: The article came from a newspaper, and the OP didn't write it. Anyone can see that, and unless you know this paper is right wing propaganda, than say that, not what you said.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

I was juror #5.

And MIRT promptly took out the garbage. Thank you MIRT.

[Jefferson23]

95. Looks like a sweep..thank you, longship. n/t

[longship]

96. No. Thank MIRT.

Garbage comes in? It gets taken out.

All DUers bow down to our MIRT gods.

[Jefferson23]

97. MIRT is very cool, I served once so far. I had no idea until I did how often trolls pass through. n/