NY Jewish Congressman Slammed as 'Traitor' and 'anti-Israel' for Backing Iran Deal

[geek tragedy]

The demonization is being led by a Kahanist and unrepentant JDL terrorist who's one of the most powerful Democrats in the state, Dov Hikind.


http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/.premium-1.672695

While he has received emails and phone calls of support, he said, vociferous attacks have come from the religiously and politically conservative precincts of Borough Park in particular. New York State Assemblyman Dov Hikind rented a double-decker bus on which he hung a sarcastic banner bearing Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei’s smiling visage thanking America, and parked it outside Nadler’s Manhattan office.

Hikind has also threatened to raise millions of dollars to fund the primary campaign of someone who can beat Nadler in the next election.

City Council member David Greenfield, who represents the same community, tweeted “BK constituents outraged at his support of Iran deal & believe he lied to us” when he said earlier that his mind was not yet made up.

“Someone said I turned my back on klal Yisroel [the Jewish people] in tweets, in speeches. We are told a rabbi in shul compared me to the rabbis who approached President Roosevelt and told him not to admit Jewish refugees” from the Holocaust to America, said Nadler.

Someone else described his decision as “one of the most tragic betrayals” of the Jewish people, relayed Nadler.

“The political consequences are concerning, but I had to. How could I live with myself If I voted against it knowing that would increase the chances of a bomb in Iranian hands? How could I do that?”

[Bok_Tukalo]

1. This guy is a U.S. Congressman, right?

<OPE>

[geek tragedy]

2. Nadler is, yes, and Hikind's state district is part

of that congressional district.

Seriously, this stuff is scary. People from Hikind's ideological viewpoint include Yigal Amir and Baruch Goldstein.

[short circuit]

3. I've seen that nut Hikind around Brooklyn

Wonder if we can ever kick him out of his position - especially when he depends on Boro Park?

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4. Boro park is full of people like him. it's chock full of rightwing Orthodox fundyclowns nt

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

11. How many of them have moved to the West Bank in order to stir the shit there?

The ones that have should have their citizenship revoked in the USA since what they are doing is nothing less than a hate crime.

[BeyondGeography]

5. Hikind is a total loon

Maybe a healthy outcome here is extremists like him become easier to defy. I don't think it's going the other way. Nadler, after all, has long distinguished himself as one of the most solid guys in town.

[geek tragedy]

6. Chuck Schumer bent the knee to Hikind.

I worry about Nadler's safety, that they'll do to him what they did to Rabin.

[BeyondGeography]

7. Hikind is on a permanent alienation bender

as you know. On multiple fronts, e.g.:

http://jpupdates.com/2015/07/22/community-shocked-as-hikind-confronts-state-chancellor-merryl-tisch-at-breakfast-honoring-her/

More people need to stand up to him. Hopefully it doesn't take terrorizing Nadler to do it.

[geek tragedy]

8. Bloomberg earned some respect from me when he told Hikind to f@ck off when

he tried to bully Brooklyn college into cancelling a panel discussion critical of Israel.

I hope DeBlasio will have similar gumption.

[Renew Deal]

9. I saw Hikinds bus parked outside of Fox News last week.

There were 3-4 guys handing out flyers. I assumed it was RW originating. On some level it was.

[Mosby]

10. some posters here called schumer a traitor

And wrote his name schumer (D - Israel)

You were part of that thread if I remember correctly.

[King_David]

13. Exactly right

[Mosby]

18. geek tragedy called him upchuck and chuckscum in a post

There was another thread I can't locate....

[King_David]

19. Iran debate devolves with charges of ‘dual loyalty’ and ‘dog whistles’

http://www.jta.org/2015/08/11/news-opinion/politics/iran-debate-devolves-with-charges-of-dual-loyalty-and-dog-whistles

[grossproffit]

12. Yet, the demonization of Schumer was a-okay.

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14. You realize this is a liberal, Democratic board right? nt

[grossproffit]

15. Do you?

[geek tragedy]

16. Yes, which is why my sympathies are with the liberals and the Obama administration

and not the Republicans and their fellow travelers.

But we obviously disagree, as our respective posting histories indicate.

[grossproffit]

17. Are you challenging me to go through all 50k of your posts?

I already have 1 full time job, and don't need another.

[geek tragedy]

21. You can try going through your own.

Plenty of support for rightwing positions and lots of love for Netanyahu.
There's a word for people who love Netanyahu. It is not synonymous with "liberals."

[King_David]

20. Think your views and vitriol on Israel are Democratic Party principle?

Please link to any one Democratic Party rep sharing your views as expressed here...

The poster your calling out has almost almost identical views to mainstream Democratic Party principals in respect to Israel .

Your views on Israel are way marginal to Democratic Party principle.

Go ahead prove me wrong and link any rep including Bernie Sanders that has the same marginal vitriolic views on Israel that you express here on a daily basis....

[geek tragedy]

22. That poster is an admirer of Netanyahu.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=92429

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025731905#post8

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6301269

Bernie is not. Because Bernie doesn't admire rightwing racist assholes.

Bernie also supports the President's diplomatic efforts, unlike the Netanyahu fan club. Generally a good way to separate out liberals and assholes.

[King_David]

23. Think your views are in sync with Democratic Party views on Israel ?

Link up any candidate or rep including Bernie that has the same marginal vitriolic views on israel that you post here on a daily basis... Link it up ....

Please

[geek tragedy]

24. Change the subject much?

I support Obama vs Netanyahu and Tom Cotton.

My primary interest is what is good for the United States.

[King_David]

25. Can you point to even one Democratic Party rep

Or official including Bernie or Obama that agrees even partially to the anti Israel vitriol that you and one other poster posts here on a regular basis?

Just one link please ?

I know the rest of your posts here on DU are democratic in nature unlike the other poster but on Israel your way way marginally out of sync...

Prove me wrong


Link it up please

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26. Hence the "underground" part.

You are failing to apprehend the difference between (1)Democrats/liberals venting in a manner elected officials can't and (2) people who think and talk exactly like Republicans/Likudniks (Republican and Likud parties are functionally one transnational party at this point).

The entire point of this site is (1). People belonging to group (2) are trolls.

[King_David]

28. Nonsense

The views on Israel espoused by some posters here ( not you because I've seen your posts in other forums and are surprisingly Democratic Party in nature but another particular poster who only posts in this group) are anything but liberal and extremely right wing in nature and very similar to extremist right wing sites that I have trolled on.

And they fit all the criteria you mentioned above--- this really is not Democratic Party principle and if it were you would have no problem linking it up for us.

[geek tragedy]

31. The only rightwingers in this forum

are the Bibi fanboys and fangirls.

[King_David]

33. Not true

We have extremist right wing views here daily in support of BDS
Views found easily on David Fuke kind of websites
Check it out

[grossproffit]

27. I'm not going to apologize for being a strong supporter of Israel.

If that bothers you, then good.

[King_David]

29. If it bothers anyone supporting Israel

They don't belong in the Democratic Party and are on the wrong website.

Its Democratic Party principle 1

That's the reason me and you can work on the campaign bus and the other posters here with their views on Israel if shared would be kicked off the campaign the same day they shared such views... Pronto

[geek tragedy]

32. Sorry, no, supporting Israel is NOT the #1 rule for the

Democratic Party.

This is America, not Israel, and there is absolutely no litmus test for party members regarding their devotion to a foreign government.

The Democratic Party owes no loyalty to the state of Israel.

Supporting Israel is rule #1 for Likud and Labor, not for the Democratic Party.

[King_David]

34. The reason I can work on a campaign as I currently am is because I'm free to state my views on israe

Israel

The very minute or second some of the views expressed here in this group by 3-5 particular posters are espoused or whispered or chatted or murmured is an instant termination from the campaign.... Including and especially Bernies and Hillary's campaign.

100% instant termination --- you know why?

Because these are not Democratic Party principles....

[geek tragedy]

35. So you're free to state your opinion on Israel

so long as it doesn't offend AIPAC and its funders.

That is not freedom. Quite the opposite.

Nothing to do with principles and everything to do with the Lobby.


Israel is a rightwing racist country. Supporting it is a Republican principle and a Democratic pragmatic necessity.

Republicans support it because of shared value. Democrats support it for a variety of reasons, some principled others not.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-losing-democrats-cant-claim-bipartisan-us-support-top-pollster-warns/

Three quarters of highly educated, high income, publicly active US Democrats — the so-called “opinion elites” — believe Israel has too much influence on US foreign policy, almost half of them consider Israel to be a racist country, and fewer than half of them believe that Israel wants peace with its neighbors. These are among the findings of a new survey carried out by US political consultant Frank Luntz.

Detailing the survey results to The Times of Israel on Sunday, Luntz called the findings “a disaster” for Israel. He summed them up by saying that the Democratic opinion elites are converting to the Palestinians, and “Israel can no longer claim to have the bipartisan support of America.”

[King_David]

36. Frank Luntz ?

A Republican operative is your proof ?

He's trying to discredit the Democratic Party by saying they no longer support Israel.

Yes DISCREDIT!!!

Frank Luntz is your affirmation????

REALLY?????



FRANK LUNTZ IS A REPUBLICAN OPERATIVE.

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37. Not liking Israel does not discredit anyone.

You think the Democratic Party exists to serve Israel moreso than the United States.

You need a civics lesson.

The US is an independent country. The role of its parties is to serve the interests of Americans, not a bunch of foreigners on the other side of the planet.

Certainly there are some Israel Firsters who disagree with me, but fuck them.

[King_David]

38. Loyalty to America huh? .....Think I have dual loyalty?

Go on.... Please expand on that thought ... This is now getting very interesting...

( ha you edited your post.... Very quickly)

[geek tragedy]

40. You think both political parties' #1 rule

is to serve Israel's interests.

That is not how most Americans see the role of their government.

Patriotic Democrats put their own country ahead of Israel and its interests.

[King_David]

42. Please expand on your "loyalty " assertion

I see you edited out of your post but I would like you to expand on it....please.

[King_David]

39. More about your "go to guy"

Frank I. Luntz (born February 23, 1962) is an American political consultant,[2] pollster, and "public opinion guru"[3] best known for developing talking points and other messaging for various Republican causes. His work has included assistance with messaging for Newt Gingrich's Contract with America, promotion of the terms death tax instead of estate tax and climate change instead of global warming, and public relations support for pro-Israel policies in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Luntz's most recent work has been with the Fox News Channel as a frequent commentator and analyst, as well as running focus groups during and after presidential debates. Luntz describes his specialty as “testing language and finding words that will help his clients sell their product or turn public opinion on an issue or a candidate.”[4] He is also an author of business books dealing with communication strategies and public opinion. Luntz's current company, Luntz Global, LLC, specializes in message creation and image management for commercial and political clients.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Luntz

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41. Under your bizarre theory Ted Cruz is more of a Democrat

than Barack Obama or Jimmy Carter.

[King_David]

43. No I don't get that at all...

Could you expand on your "loyalty " assertions please?

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44. You claimed that supporting Israel is the #1

requirement to be a Democrat.

Not doing what's best for America.
Not being a patriot.
Not committing to social justice.
Not advancing progressive economic and environmental agendas

You claimed that the Democratic party's #1 goal is to serve Israel.

If that were true, the entire party would be agents of a foreign power and would have dual loyalties.

Fortunately, you are spewing nonsense as the Democratic Party exists to serve one country, and that country is not Israel.

[King_David]

46. "Dual Loyalties " huh?

And we are done here.

[King_David]

48. PBO - 2015 August

Israel isn’t just an ally, it’s not just a friend — it’s family.

[King_David]

47. President Obama :

Israel isn’t just an ally, it’s not just a friend — it’s family.

It seems you are the one completely out of sync with views on Israel as opposed to the Democratic Party views.

My views on Israel on the other hand are one and the same as the party and Presidents views.

[geek tragedy]

30. You equate supporting Israel to supporting

Netanyahu. Obvious.

You could at least pretend to care about American politics and policies as they affect Americans (89% of posts in I/P, and 100% in support of Netanyahu's policies kind of gives your agenda away).

[GitRDun]

45. My observation of this particular passing political scene is that

Democrats with close ties to AIPAC / Israel politically are coming out against the treaty, that's all that is going on.

In reading thru the thread, I see some of the old guard pro-Israel posters claiming support of Israel to be some sort of Democratic litmus test. Lol, Democrats argue among each other on every issue...comes with the big tent. If they want unity, they should be on a Republican blog.

Most demonizing activities of treaty supporters are simply hyper-partisan advocating for Israel. I ignore them because they're just not about our country. Thankfully, AIPAC's influence is not so extensive it keeps the treaty from being ratified.