Israel/Palestine
Related: About this forumThe Illusion of Unconditional American Support
http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.673149...
Lets go back for a minute. Lets assume that in the spring of 2009, Netanyahu saw the Iranian challenge more clearly than any other world leader. Lets assume for a moment that Netanyahu at the time was a rational strategist who really believed that all threats to Israel began and ended with Iran. Such a strategist ought to have known that the fate of this existential campaign would be decided by an American president committed to peace and human rights. That same strategist ought to have understood that the fulcrum of such a campaign would be the American Jewish community, most of which is also committed to peace and human rights.
Accordingly, Netanyahu should have understood if only as a cold calculation made by a farsighted chess player that it was incumbent upon him to pursue peace, respect human rights and capture the hearts of the new, open and progressive America.
But Netanyahu did exactly the opposite. He believed that he could get away with everything; that he could build settlements, give in to all the religious parties demands and still win the automatic support of both Jewish and non-Jewish Democrats. That he could embrace Adelson, insult Obama and still expect Washington to support him.
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The writing is on the wall, in really big print. If Israel seeks life, its going to have to redefine itself. If Israel wants a true alliance with the American democracy, its going to have to prove that it is truly a democracy. The era of using unconditional American support and unlimited American money to realize the vision of Gush Emunim is over. Gone must be the illusion that America will always be with us, even when our values conflict with its values.
This focuses a little too much on Netanyahu, belatedly addressing the fact that it's the Israeli voters who are driving this by electing Netanyahu and people to his right.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)In fact, he has the narrowest coalition possible.
If the US had a coalition-style government like Israel, I shudder to think what right-wing parties would end up being represented.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Republicans are the minority party here.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)as they have since 2009.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/180452/liberals-record-trail-conservatives.aspx
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)You are just literally making things up with.
The US is further to the right than Israel on every social and economic issue that you can name.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)isn't so thoroughly segregated it would make Jim Crow blush, maybe you can start tossing that kind of false claim around.
Also, this is not something that happens in non-rightwing theocracies:
http://www.haaretz.com/st/c/prod/eng/2015/08/not-jewish-enough/
If the state appoints "supreme" religious authorities who have final say over the ability of citizens to get married, it's rightwing in a spectacularly awful way.
Israel is founded on an essentially rightwing idea--fusing nationalism, ethnicity, and religion.
they tried making it non-toxic by adding in structural democratic protections, but the culture fostered by ethnonationalism is winning out. Including the ultra-orthodox fundyloons that the US has been exporting to them.
I only wish they would take Dov Hikind off our hands.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)That you are calling Israel a "rightwing theocracy" shows a staggering amount of (willful?) ignorance. You are basing this on marriage laws? Israel is easily the most progressive countries in the region in that respect, and Tel Aviv is probably the most gay friendly city in the world.
I'd love to know what part of the US you live in where segregation is not an issue. Or religious fundamentalism for that matter.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)It isn't in Israel.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)and it wouldn't matter because the right wing in the US would stand with him. A US coalition of the right wing republicans and unwaveringly pro-Israel Democrats would be strong enough to keep Israel's American support undiminished.
If so, he was correct.
karynnj
(59,501 posts)even they do not get unconditional support.
I think "It's not me Babe" is the appropriate response here. Did anyone here support each and everything Bush did giving him unconditional support? I don't think so.
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You say youre lookin for someone
Never weak but always strong
To protect you an defend you
Whether you are right or wrong
Someone to open each and every door
But it aint me, babe
No, no, no, it aint me, babe
It aint me youre lookin for, babe
Read more: http://www.bobdylan.com/us/songs/it-aint-me-babe#ixzz3kF0jvqkY