'Still not one arrest or even a lead’ in hunt for Duma killers

[Little Tich]

Source: Jerusalem Post

A number of alleged Jewish extremists have been arrested since the attack, including three placed under administrative detention, but neither the Shin Bet nor the Israel Police have said if any are suspected of being involved in the attack.

The Shin Bet and Israel Police investigation into the arson attack in Duma is still ongoing, both agencies said Monday morning, hours after Riham Dawabsha died of her wounds suffered as a result of the blaze in her West Bank family home on July 31.

Due to a sweeping gag order on the investigation, neither agency would give any details about potential advancements in the case, but they said it has yet to reach its conclusion.

A number of alleged Jewish extremists have been arrested since the attack, including three placed under administrative detention, but neither the Shin Bet (Israel Security Agency) nor the Israel Police have said if any are suspected of being involved in the attack.

Israeli lawmakers conveyed their condolences to the Dawabsha family on Monday morning, but expressed amazement that the case had not been solved yet.

Read more: http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Still-not-one-arrest-or-even-a-lead-in-hunt-for-Duma-killers-415545

[oberliner]

1. Maybe it wasn't Jewish extremists

That could explain why the investigation appears not to have found the culprits.

Here's something interesting:

Analysis: Five Weeks Later, Why Are Investigators Stumped About the Lethal Arson in Duma Village?

Excerpt:

Meanwhile, a fire broke out on Sunday night, on August 23, in a house belonging to another member of the Dawabsha family in the Duma village. Early Arab reports blamed that fire, too, on Jewish extremists, but after a while the head of the Duma village council, Abdul Salam Dawabsha, announced the fire started due to a malfunctioning electric system. But local residents told NRG that they found a Molotov cocktail inside the burnt Dawabsha house, and suggested the house—located at the center of the village, just like the other two Dawabsha burnt houses had been—had been set on fire as the result of an internal conflict. The same locals noted that, contrary to the previous fire, this house was left without Hebrew graffiti smeared on the walls. Finally, Ghassan Douglas, who holds the Settlers portfolio in the Palestinian Authority, told WAFA that the house was burnt as the result of arson, and that a family member was injured from smoke inhalation.

A fourth house belonging to the Dawabsha clan in Duma was set on fire in February of this year, and a Dawabshe family car was burnt in June. There were no Hebrew writings next to any of those other four arsons, and so the media, Arab and Israeli, have largely ignored them.

Why wasn’t the most recent fire investigated with the same zeal as the one that caused the death of three Dawabshas?

http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/analysis-five-weeks-later-why-are-investigators-stumped-about-the-lethal-arson-in-duma-village/2015/09/07/

[Little Tich]

2. Tasteless. n/t

[azurnoir]

3. same publication on the killing of another Palestinian kid

http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/body-of-arab-boy-found-in-jerusalem-forest/2014/07/02/

[geek tragedy]

5. that site has done yeoman's work getting to the bottom of . . . BENGHAZI.

And they're Kahanists.

But the 'liberal' supporters of Israel have no trouble citing them to bash Arabs.

[oberliner]

8. Odd comment coming from someone who accuses the Israeli police of not trying to solve the case

Because the perpetrators might be Jewish.

[geek tragedy]

14. I get my news from non-Kahanist sources.

What next, an article praising Baruch Goldstein from you?

[oberliner]

20. That's probably for the best

Just curious - are you actually suggesting that I "get my news from Kahanist sources"?

Have you not followed by tens of thousands of posts in the I/P forum?

[geek tragedy]

22. you're the one pushing an angle quoting Kahanist websites--plural nt

[oberliner]

23. Not true

Not pushing any angle. Just asked if it's possible that it wasn't Jewish extremists. I mean, it is possible, right?

It's certainly just as plausible as the claim that the Israelis are deliberately not trying to find the perpetrators because they are Jewish.

Somehow that ridiculous and insulting suggestion didn't seem to bother you at all.

[King_David]

24. I have read another 2nd rate blog that calls everyone he disagrees with a "Kahanist"

And somehow that's acceptable, but he goes apoplectic should anyone suggest he's being "antisemitic ".

[Little Tich]

31. It's a pretty nasty habit to habitually blame others for nationalist crimes.

Apart from the example you provided, I only find that in a neo-fascist context. What's interesting is that you pick up on the doubt of the identity of the attackers without realizing what you're doing. Congratulations, you've just swallowed a right-wing false message... Now, if there were doubts on the identity of the attackers, these doubts would come from a serious source, and be based on doubts. The message you've swallowed is one of whitewashing nationalist crime by casting unjustified doubt on any "alleged" nationalist crime, which is a completely different thing.

[geek tragedy]

4. Congrats on joining the crowd who blame Mossad for every Islamist attack.

Because that's exactly what you are doing here, just inverted. Almost David Irvingism.

Once again, showing that there is no such thing as arguing for Israel while maintaining progressive principles. One has to toss those in the trash--as you just have--to defend the abuses of the Israeli settler state.

Here, you're linking to a KAHANIST, Jewish Supremacist, extreme rightwing conspiracy theory site to back up your racist conspiracy theorizing.

Here's an example of their fine work:

http://www.jewishpress.com/news/yoris-daily-news-clips/supreme-court-wont-hear-birther-appeal-obama-may-be-american-after-all/2012/06/12/

Here are some of their many, many love letters to Meir Kahane, may he rot wherever he wound up:

http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/columns/fuchs-focus/rabbi-meir-kahane-my-rebbe-that-i-never-met/2014/11/10/
http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/opinions/what-would-meir-kahane-do/2010/10/27/
http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/opinions/rabbi-kahane-warned-against-trusting-sharon/2014/01/08/
http://www.jewishpress.com/tv/video-picks/rabbi-meir-kahane-on-arab-riots-and-the-temple-mount/2014/11/11/
http://www.jewishpress.com/tv/video-picks/rabbi-meir-kahane-at-the-national-press-club-1985/2013/06/14/
http://www.jewishpress.com/blogs/felafel-on-rye/beyond-words-rabbi-meir-kahane-at-his-very-best/2012/06/03/
http://www.jewishpress.com/sections/books/title-rabbi-meir-kahane-his-life-and-thought-volume-one-1932-1975-hebrew-edition/2010/08/19/

Thanks for dropping the mask, though. Good to see people finally revealing what they really are.

[oberliner]

11. Do you remember Tawana Brawley? Duke lacrosse case? The Rolling Stone rape on campus story?

Occasionally the left gets the story wrong and the RW-ers who call BS are actually right.

[geek tragedy]

12. there's no evidence supporting the victim-blaming crud

you and your Kahanist fellow travelers are offering.

You should be ashamed for adopting the propaganda techniques of Irving, Zundel, Eisen etc.

The Team Israel cheerleaders here were peddling the "honor killing" theory re: Khdeir, based on the same Kahanist sources.

[oberliner]

17. Victim-blaming?

No one is accusing the victim of anything.

There are just some folks saying that it might not have been Jewish extremists.

They are most likely wrong, but who knows.

[geek tragedy]

19. Yes, they're trying to blame Palestinians for an attack on their own community.

Same story as those who try to blame Jews for every violent attack on Jews.

[oberliner]

27. Like this Mondoweiss article: "What evidence is there that teens were abducted?"

A great deal of misinformation has been spread about the missing Israeli teens in the West Bank. I did it myself in denying there was a campaign in support of kidnapping settlers– when there is. Jeffrey Goldberg did it, in exaggerating that campaign, and smearing French Muslims.

Still, the public does not know very much at all about the fate of the missing teens, even as Israel insists that they were abducted and is using the alleged abduction as a political football and a pretext to send soldiers all over the West Bank, today killing a Palestinian teen.

And there is growing pressure on Israel to provide evidence for its claims. Here is some of the back and forth over these issues:

http://mondoweiss.net/2014/06/evidence-teens-abducted#sthash.n0X0YnyL.bVmqakKl.dpuf

Same kind of deal right?

[King_David]

25. That's not only ridiculous, but you lose all credibility with posts like that....

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There's already another poster here in this group that posts so OTT that nobody from either side takes any posts of that poster seriously....

[geek tragedy]

7. Nov. 21, 2012: "Jewishpress.com? Is this a site that you are a fan of?"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=23022

Nov. 21, 2012:

oberliner (31,256 posts)

8. It's a pretty right wing source.





Look through some of the op-eds.

They are further right than Fox News.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=23025

[oberliner]

9. It's like Mondoweiss but on the other side

Two sides of the same coin.

[geek tragedy]

15. If Mondoweiss were a Neo-Nazi website, then that comparison

would hold.

[oberliner]

16. It is

In fact, their articles are regularly republished by Neo-Nazi websites.

[geek tragedy]

18. Having articles republished by Neo-Nazis does not make an author Neo-Nazi.

Can you point to one post by Weiss that approaches the same level of toxicity as Team Kahane?

[oberliner]

28. The article I posted above where Mr. Mondoweiss himself questions whether Jewish teens were abducted

This one:

What evidence is there that teens were abducted?

http://mondoweiss.net/2014/06/evidence-teens-abducted#sthash.n0X0YnyL.dpuf

Wouldn't you say that is pretty much the same kind of thing?

[oberliner]

32. Also check out some of the comments on that Mondoweiss thread

Kay24 June 20, 2014, 1:41 pm
There is absolutely no proof of any kind that these kids are kidnapped. Unlike the poor kids killed by ruthless armed forces, there were no videos, no eye witnesses, nor media around. So whose words should we take? Certainly not Israel’s. Israeli officials lie like common thieves, especially when it comes to covering their rear ends, or justifying the brutality against the Palestinians

bryan June 20, 2014, 3:02 pm
Every single abduction or death occuring within Palestine is outrageous, but perhaps the overwhelming statistical probability is that these three guys have been run over by a stray tank (or Caterpillar bulldozer) whose drivers’ view was obstructed, are sitting in a cell in Ofer prison, awaiting a lawyer, or have been accidentally struck with a stray tear gas cannister or fusilade of rubber bullets, or even live fire. Perhaps its time to assemble a high-ranking UN investigative panel so that we can find out exactly what happened?

Woody Tanaka June 20, 2014, 4:27 pm
How is that question in any way relevant? If Israel is behind it, they would have no doubt gotten some of their secret police experts to impersonate “Arabs” (as they are known to do) and are now holding the three males now, keeping them quite scared but not physically harmed, waiting for the signal from Netanyahu that his persecution and pogrom against the Palestinians is over, at which point they will either “escape” or be “rescued.” The mothers no doubt believe it is real.

unverified__5ilf90kd June 20, 2014, 8:15 pm
Everyone is Lebanon is saying what they always say i.e. The Mossad did it – they often say that and often they are right. In this case it seems reasonable that Bibi needed a great excuse the whack Hamas yet again, and he did. Let’s hope that the Mossad will release these kids soon and they will be found stumbling around in the West Bank near a settlement. God help any Palestinian who finds them – the IDF will shoot him immediately just in case he knows something about it.

Woody Tanaka June 21, 2014, 9:23 am
Everyone should use “allegedly”. Given the fact that the only thing that we know is that there was an allegation, the parents are all smiles, yukking it up with Peres, coupled with the fact that the actions of the Israelis in the West Bank appears to have nothing to do with finding some supposed, allegedly kidnapped people and more to do with arresting members of Hamas and attempting to destroy the Palestinian unity deal, “allegedly” is being kind.

And on and on. Lots of speculation about "what really happened". These are moderated comments by the way.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

29. Ah, the "somebody else did it" defense returns.

[geek tragedy]

6. Israel never intended to crack down on the Price Tag terrorists--their champions are in the Cabinet!

Racist, apartheid states don't value the lives of those they oppress. Certainly not enough to inconvenience the privileged class.

[oberliner]

10. The more curious aspects of the story

Tapuchi wrote: "Throughout the trip we heard explanations in Arabic, most of which were translated. We heard their story of the incident. It was impossible to ignore some of the more curious aspects of the story. I would start with the fact that the two houses (I had always thought only one house was burnt) are located in the center of the village, and that in order to get there we had to travel a number of minutes from the entrance. Duma is spread out over a gigantic area, and the houses are situated at the end of a winding road, among fences and yards.

"According to the Duma version, the attackers burnt one house, then saw that it was empty, and so they went to set fire to the next house. The second house is enclosed by a fence, and the windows are covered by a dense lattice; a firebomb cannot be hurled through the windows, and in any event it is very hard to reach the windows behind the fence. The arsonists had to go around the house, enter the yard, and place the firebombs through the lattice. According to the Duma version, the attackers entered the house, stood over the parents and did not let them leave until the flames engulfed the house. Only then did the arsonists run away from the village.

"I can only say that when the arsonists are ultimately caught, we will get to hear a fascinating story of why they chose to navigate their way all the way into the middle of the village, and how they had time to set a house on fire, wait to find that it was empty, then walk around and enter another house and set it on fire, wait with the parents, spray graffiti in two places – including with a little design of a crown! – and then run away through the middle of the village with all the townspeople surely already up and on their feet seeing the flames and hearing the family's cries. Something here is very fishy…"

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/198961#.Ve9R4OmprzI

Reasonable points?

[geek tragedy]

13. Do you ever bother reading non-Kahanist sites?

Bored since masada2000 closed down?

You're leaving King David as the only Israel-booster here to the left of Naftali Bennet.

[oberliner]

21. Have you not read any of my 30,000 + posts here?

I know you have so I am going to assume your question was meant as some sort of rhetorical device.

[King_David]

26. LOL

That was ridiculous...

But funny nevertheless...

[Israeli]

30. " Reasonable points? " ....

Sure oberliner ....

Something here is very fishy…

The whole article stinks to high heaven.

[geek tragedy]

33. One month later, and all that's happened is that Israel has showered gifts on

the settlements where the murderers came from.

The Czar had the Kossacks, the Israeli government has the settlers.