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Wed Oct 7, 2015, 03:28 PM

 

Palestinians are fighting for their lives; Israel is fighting for the occupation

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.679129

That we notice there’s a war on only when Jews are murdered does not cancel out the fact that Palestinians are being killed all the time.


Yes, this is a war, and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, with his mandate from the people, has ordered its intensification. He does not listen to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas’ messages of conciliation and acceptance in calmer times, why should he listen to them now?

Netanyahu is intensifying the war mainly in East Jerusalem, with orgies of collective punishment. He thus further reveals Israel’s success in physically disconnecting Jerusalem from most of the Palestinian population, accenting the absence of Palestinian leadership in East Jerusalem and the weakness of the government in Ramallah — which is trying to stop the drift in the rest of the West Bank.

The war did not start last Thursday, it does not start with the Jewish victims and does not end when no Jews are murdered. The Palestinians are fighting for their life, in the full sense of the word. We Israeli Jews are fighting for our privilege as a nation of masters, in the full ugliness of the term.


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Reply Palestinians are fighting for their lives; Israel is fighting for the occupation (Original post)
R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 OP
oberliner Oct 2015 #1
bumprstickr Oct 2015 #2
oberliner Oct 2015 #4
R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #3
oberliner Oct 2015 #5
R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #6
shira Oct 2015 #9
R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #11
oberliner Oct 2015 #12
R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #13
oberliner Oct 2015 #14
shira Oct 2015 #7
R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #8
shira Oct 2015 #10

Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Original post)

Wed Oct 7, 2015, 04:04 PM

1. Haaretz writer booted from Palestinian school because she’s Israeli Jew

 

Haaretz Palestinian affairs reporter Amira Hass was asked to leave a conference at Ramallah’s Birzeit University last week because of the institution’s law banning Israeli Jews from the campus.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/haaretz-writer-booted-from-palestinian-school-because-shes-israeli/

When a Haaretz Journalist Was Asked to Leave a Palestinian University

The German Rosa Luxemburg Foundation and The Center for Development Studies (CDS) at Birzeit University organized a conference entitled, "Alternatives to Neo-Liberal Development in the Occupied Palestinian Territories – Critical Perspectives."

During the first presentation on Tuesday, two lecturers from the CDS approached me within ten minutes of each other, asking me to step outside, saying that they needed to talk to me. I asked them to wait until the break, but after they asked me a third time, I stepped out of the conference hall. "Am I not allowed to be here?" I asked, half-kidding, but one of the lecturers answered that there was a problem.

When I registered at the entrance of the conference I wrote next to my name the institution I belong to, Haaretz. For the past two decades, the lecturer said, there has been a law at Birzeit stipulating that Israelis (Jewish Israelis, that is) are not allowed on the university grounds. The students manning the conference registration desk saw that I had written "Haaretz," realized I was an Israeli, and ran to tell the university authorities. The security department in turn went to the conference organizers, the lecturer said. She and her colleagues were afraid, she told me, that students would break into the conference hall in protest over my presence.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/features/.premium-1.618007

BDS at work silencing a voice that you are applauding, because she is an Israeli Jew.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #1)

Wed Oct 7, 2015, 04:10 PM

2. This is what was posted:

 


"That we notice there’s a war on only when Jews are murdered does not cancel out the fact that Palestinians are being killed all the time.


Yes, this is a war, and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, with his mandate from the people, has ordered its intensification. He does not listen to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas’ messages of conciliation and acceptance in calmer times, why should he listen to them now?

Netanyahu is intensifying the war mainly in East Jerusalem, with orgies of collective punishment. He thus further reveals Israel’s success in physically disconnecting Jerusalem from most of the Palestinian population, accenting the absence of Palestinian leadership in East Jerusalem and the weakness of the government in Ramallah — which is trying to stop the drift in the rest of the West Bank.

The war did not start last Thursday, it does not start with the Jewish victims and does not end when no Jews are murdered. The Palestinians are fighting for their life, in the full sense of the word. We Israeli Jews are fighting for our privilege as a nation of masters, in the full ugliness of the term."


Any comment on the point of the post?

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Response to bumprstickr (Reply #2)

Wed Oct 7, 2015, 04:40 PM

4. Amira Hass basically posts the same thing over and over again

 

Her view of Israel is not one that I share.

Though I do think she ought to be permitted to speak at a Palestinian university and not banned from doing so because she is an Israeli Jew.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #1)

Wed Oct 7, 2015, 04:20 PM

3. Let's see how she responded...

 

I am writing about this incident precisely because I did not take it personally. I do not take personally the fact that some faculty members were hiding behind hypothesized angry students and a law that many others seem to be unaware of.
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Meanwhile, the university published a statement Saturday saying: "The administration has nothing against the presence of the journalist Hass. The university as a national institution differentiates between friends and enemies of the Palestinian people… and works with every person or institution that is against the occupation."


Ya see, ober. You always attempt to leave out the relevant facts, and I will be more than happy to help you find them.

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #3)

Wed Oct 7, 2015, 04:41 PM

5. That was at the link that I provided

 

There is no need to take it personally. BDS does not discriminate. Any Israeli Jew is boycotted regardless of their views.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #5)

Wed Oct 7, 2015, 07:23 PM

6. No kidding?

 

Last edited Wed Oct 7, 2015, 09:24 PM - Edit history (1)

And yet you are the one getting all worked up while she isn't.

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #6)

Thu Oct 8, 2015, 06:56 AM

9. People tend to take bigotry personally, like the bigotry of those who tell Jews...

 

...that there are certain areas of their historic & cultural homeland they have no right to be in.

Ever.

Imagine telling any other racial, ethnic, or religious group they are banned from going to or living in certain parts of any country in the world.

It's odious.

*Edited for clunkiness. I must've been tired.

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Response to shira (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 8, 2015, 10:42 AM

11. You're arguing for illegal colonization while playing "poor victim."

 

You've learned nothing during your sabatical, IMHO.

Israeli zionism has been corrupted by Israel's right wing, IMHO, in its drive to use any excuse rob the Palestinians of their actual homeland with claims that zionism's grandparents lived there in ancient times.

I would ask anybody that is using that bankrupt argument to not go down the path of Yehuda Glick, Naftali Bennet, Ayelet Shaked, Bibi Netanyahu or Barauch Goldstein for that matter with claims of a greater Israel under the banner of righteous zionism of poor victims.

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #11)

Thu Oct 8, 2015, 12:16 PM

12. What was Zionism like before it was corrupted by Israel's right wing?

 

Do you like the earlier pre-corrupted version of Zionism? If so, what do you like about it?

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Response to oberliner (Reply #12)

Thu Oct 8, 2015, 12:18 PM

13. TY for agreeing that Israeli zionism has been corrupted.

 



It's a start.

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #13)

Thu Oct 8, 2015, 02:15 PM

14. You're welcome

 

Would you be willing to answer the question I posed?

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Original post)

Wed Oct 7, 2015, 10:10 PM

7. Amira Hass... please.

 

Amira's friends in the W.Bank send out little kids to confront & attack innocents. They send these kids out to be human shields. But Hass writes about Palestinians fighting for their lives.

It doesn't get much lower than the sanctioning of this pathetic abuse of children. Hass supports this.

She's nothing more than a compassion abusing concern troll.


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Response to shira (Reply #7)

Wed Oct 7, 2015, 10:25 PM

8. Have a nice stay, shira.

 

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #8)

Thu Oct 8, 2015, 07:02 AM

10. Thanks! n/t

 

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