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R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 07:46 PM Oct 2015

New video shows accused stabber posed no threat when shot

http://972mag.com/new-video-shows-accused-stabber-posed-no-threat-when-shot/112593/

Last Saturday an Israeli policeman shot and killed Fadi Alloun, a 19-year-old resident of the East Jerusalem neighborhood of Issawiya, after he was suspected of stabbing a 15-year-old Israeli near Jerusalem’s Damascus Gate.

A video that went viral following the incident shows young Jewish Israelis egging on the policemen to kill Alloun, despite the fact that it is unclear from the video whether he posed a threat when an officer shot him numerous times. The Israeli media reported that he was shot while “trying to escape from the security forces that began chasing him. After refusing to release his grip on the knife, the forces shot and killed him.”

It was clear that that first part was a lie from the get go: Alloun never tried to escape. However, a new video that captures the scene from a different angle shows that Alloun wasn’t holding a knife when he was shot, and therefore did not pose a threat. Moreover, this was the reason an officer who stood near the person filming the incident chose not to shoot Alloun. He chose neither to shoot nor use his weapon as threat as Alloun walked by him. He didn’t shoot when the teenagers nearby yelled “Shoot him, bitch!” or “Pepper spray? What kind of policemen are you?” while warning Alloun that he was “about to die.” When it was all over, the police officer who refused to shoot Alloun became the target of verbal abuse by those same teenagers.

And while this particular policeman acted appropriately, additional officers who arrived on the scene chose to act differentkly. Seconds after they exit their vehicles, one of the teenagers — who would later celebrate Alloun’s killing by shouting “death to Arabs” — tells the officers that Alloun had just stabbed someone and that they should shoot without any attempt to subdue him. The officers did not even yell at Alloun to throw down the knife — that’s because there was no knife and Alloun posed no threat. They did not even yell at him to give up or to let him know that he was under arrest.



This is still another extrajudicial murder by Israelis pretending to be cowboys, but now that there is more video evidence that this was an extrajudicial killing the deniers will still come out and make excuses for zionism flipped on its head.

Palestinian lives matter.
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New video shows accused stabber posed no threat when shot (Original Post) R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 OP
What is he doing right before he gets shot? oberliner Oct 2015 #1
You're assuming he did the stabbing. geek tragedy Oct 2015 #2
That's true oberliner Oct 2015 #3
Generally, if there's no action endangering anyone geek tragedy Oct 2015 #4
Indeed oberliner Oct 2015 #5
I think you're completely wrong. Little Tich Oct 2015 #6
You kidding ? Right ? King_David Oct 2015 #7
Thanks for the 2 things you just did azurnoir Oct 2015 #8
Why you thanking me and fabricating intention on my behalf King_David Oct 2015 #12
Did I ? so you admit the Israeli police were in the wrong? azurnoir Oct 2015 #15
When did you stop beating your children ? King_David Oct 2015 #17
what's the problem here I am asking directly were the Israeli police in the wrong ? azurnoir Oct 2015 #19
We won't know that for a while... King_David Oct 2015 #20
But, but, but that boy was holding a replica gun - the Palestinian wasn't holding anything... Little Tich Oct 2015 #10
As predicted. nt King_David Oct 2015 #13
Here's another from Canada : King_David Oct 2015 #14
But, but, but Sammi Yatim was waving a knife, and the Palestinian (Alloun) wasn't even holding a Little Tich Oct 2015 #16
There's always a "but"..... King_David Oct 2015 #18
The Canadian kid was locked in the train King_David Oct 2015 #21
Fortunately, the Canadians don't consider the shooting to be business as usual, Little Tich Oct 2015 #22
Goalpost moved from "it doesn't happen in other democratic countries " King_David Oct 2015 #23
I think both of us have managed to prove our points here. Little Tich Oct 2015 #24
But there's one thing you're forgetting. In the US, UK, Canada, Australia.... shira Oct 2015 #25
You have no idea what you are talking about oberliner Oct 2015 #9
At least Bolinger was walking with intent, so I suppose it was OK to kill him. Little Tich Oct 2015 #11
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
1. What is he doing right before he gets shot?
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 08:14 PM
Oct 2015

At the 0:51 mark.

I cannot imagine this person not getting shot by police in the USA under similar circumstances - probably much more quickly.

If you just stabbed a child and you are surrounded by police officers you should probably get down on the ground and/or put your hands over your head and stop moving.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
2. You're assuming he did the stabbing.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 08:28 PM
Oct 2015

Given that Israeli cops are generally racist assholes and here proven liars ...

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
3. That's true
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 09:02 PM
Oct 2015

I should not make that assumption.

But, that aside, can you tell what he is doing right before he gets shot?

This video raises some serious questions, and I would like to gather more information.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
4. Generally, if there's no action endangering anyone
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 09:12 PM
Oct 2015

it's not considered okay for police to shoot someone.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
5. Indeed
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 09:16 PM
Oct 2015

But if this person actually did stab a 15 year old kid and ignored police instructions, I can see how that might lead to him being shot by police officers. The video might not tell the whole story. I would certainly hope people would want to find out more details, as I do, before jumping to conclusions.

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
6. I think you're completely wrong.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 11:51 PM
Oct 2015

Show me a clip of an American cop killing an unarmed man in a similar situation that wasn't prosecutable...

King_David

(14,851 posts)
7. You kidding ? Right ?
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 11:56 PM
Oct 2015

Video: Cops Shot, Killed 12-Year-Old Two Seconds After Arriving at Park

http://gawker.com/video-cops-shot-12-year-old-two-seconds-after-arriving-1663814827


( I await the : but but but but ...)

And the enquiry just exonerated the police.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
8. Thanks for the 2 things you just did
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 12:00 AM
Oct 2015

first you admit the Israeli police not to mention other security engage in racism and second you also seem to justify it too

King_David

(14,851 posts)
12. Why you thanking me and fabricating intention on my behalf
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 05:54 AM
Oct 2015

The poster was adamant it doesn't happen in the USA - I proved him wrong.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
17. When did you stop beating your children ?
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 07:03 AM
Oct 2015

The poster said this does not happen in the USA and I proved him wrong.

You may want to direct this conversation to whatever topic you want but I ain't biting .

King_David

(14,851 posts)
20. We won't know that for a while...
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 08:40 AM
Oct 2015

If he had just stabbed a 15 year old Jew and there was imminent danger to anyone else - yes.

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
10. But, but, but that boy was holding a replica gun - the Palestinian wasn't holding anything...
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 01:47 AM
Oct 2015

BTW do you really think it was justified to kill that kid?

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
16. But, but, but Sammi Yatim was waving a knife, and the Palestinian (Alloun) wasn't even holding a
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 06:38 AM
Oct 2015

knife.

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
22. Fortunately, the Canadians don't consider the shooting to be business as usual,
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 10:28 AM
Oct 2015

and they are actually prosecuting the police officer who shot Sammi Yatim.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
23. Goalpost moved from "it doesn't happen in other democratic countries "
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:39 AM
Oct 2015

To the prosecution.... What's next ?

LOL

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
24. I think both of us have managed to prove our points here.
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:55 AM
Oct 2015

There are obviously both similarities and differences between police shootings in different democratic countries.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
25. But there's one thing you're forgetting. In the US, UK, Canada, Australia....
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 07:58 AM
Oct 2015

....the police there aren't constantly in the business of protecting against people who are brainwashed, paid, & glorified to be martyrs by an enemy (just a few miles away) to kill their citizens.

Let's not even pretend the US, UK, Canada, Australia, France, etc... would act more restrained or more "civil" than Israel if that were the case.

There is no comparison.

In times of war WRT civilians, Israel already is more restrained & "civil" than all other western nations.

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
11. At least Bolinger was walking with intent, so I suppose it was OK to kill him.
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 01:56 AM
Oct 2015



Alloun wasn't even walking with intent towards anyone, so it was obviously an execution...
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