Israel Minister Compares Mahmoud Abbas to Hitler

[Purveyor]

JTA Oct 19, 2015

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas’ incitement against Israel is on the same level as Adolf Hitler’s anti-Jewish propaganda, Israeli Energy Minister Yuval Steinitz said.

“The level and intensity of the incitement and the level of anti-Semitism is the same level as Hitler,” Steinitz said Sunday, speaking with reporters in Washington, where he was addressing the annual conference of the Israeli American Council.

“I see Abu Mazen as principally responsible for the wave of terrorism,” Steinitz said, using Abbas’ by-name and referring to the recent spate of Palestinian stabbing attacks on Israelis.

Steinitz said Abbas’ Palestinian Authority peddles propaganda to children that champions Israel’s removal and dehumanizes Jews. He said also that Abbas’ accusations that Israel plans to alter the Temple Mount, the Jerusalem site holy to Muslims and Jews, are lies and have spurred the recent deadly violence.

“Abu Mazen is not a partner for peace as long as he does not stop, completely, the incitement toward destroying Israel,” he said.

Read more: http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/322837/israel-minister-compares-mahmoud-abbas-to-hitler/#ixzz3p7haIvAd

[geek tragedy]

1. The Israeli government playing the Nazi card? Shocking! nt

[Purveyor]

2. And absent will be the screeching, howling and snot-blowing by the aparthied apologists for using

And absent will be the screeching, howling and snot-blowing by the aparthied apologists for using the dreaded "Nazi" comparison.

[geek tragedy]

3. The Israelis compared the coming EU policy of labeling goods made in

the illegal settlements as being just like what Hitler did.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/pm-eu-vote-to-label-israel-settlement-products-echoes-nazi-era/

The PM called the move “unjust,” and intimated that it echoed decisions taken during the Nazi era.



“It is simply a distortion of justice and of logic and I think that it also hurts peace; it does not advance peace,” he said in a statement. “The root of the conflict is not the territories, and the root of the conflict is not the settlements. We have historical memory of what happened when Europe labelled Jewish products.”

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

5. In some ways it is quite tragic seeing how

corrupt right wing Zionism and Hitler's ghost are locked in this jitterbug death spiral: they need him to use as a broad brush attack of guilt on others.

The problem is that what happens when they paint themselves into a corner: having accused everbody?

[shira]

19. The Israel hating crowd plays the Nazi & Apartheid card constantly...

So?

Putzes on both sides will be putzes.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

4. It seems to me with all this Nazi accusations

that if the recipients were actually as devious, monsterously evil and enterprising as the Nazis were that Israel would already have ceased to exist.

Nazi shaming is a great way for the victimizers to bring up the past guilt whenever they want a hug, but it comes at a price: nobody believes the rhetoric after a while...especially while the criers are stomping on a Palestinian while doing it.

[oberliner]

15. "Nazi shaming is a great way for the victimizers to bring up the past guilt whenever they want a hug

Another sick and disgusting comment.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

18. It's more than accurate. What's disgusting is the denials.

[shira]

20. So why do Israel haters bring up the Nazi card where Israel = Nazi Germany?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

23. Go ask them if you want an answer.

I don't hate Israel so I wouldn't know.

[shira]

29. Hmm, I could swear I've seen plenty of posts here about the victims....

...of the Shoah becoming the oppressors (Nazis).

Now who do you know that does that?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

30. Why don't you show us all where I have called Israel "the Nazis".

Please proceed, shira.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

35. I'm waiting for you to pony up...

...with you big old bucket of nothing.

[shira]

51. Victims becoming the oppressors is a direct allusion to Jews becoming Nazi-like

Other examples in this thread...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=116210

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

52. Actually victims becoming oppressors means that they have become oppressors: learning nothing.

Apparently like you have, IMHO.

But as usual, you can't seem to post correctly without being completely disingenuous in the process, again IHMO.


So let's break it down for the DU community.

The real problem with Netanyahu's mufti speech

By calling the Palestinians Nazis, the Israeli prime minister was saying they can never be negotiated with — that Israel must fight them to the bloody end.

Despite the festival of mockery taking place on social media, Benjamin Netanyahu clearly does not believe that Grand Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini is more responsible than Hitler for the Holocaust. (Although that is exactly what the prime minister said in his speech at the World Zionist Conference on Tuesday.) Netanyahu is a smart guy who knows World War II history better than most of his critics. The idea that the mufti is responsible for the extermination of European Jewry is completely absurd, and Netanyahu knows that. Just like he explained the next day, he wasn’t even talking about the Nazis, and he certainly never meant to absolve them for the Holocaust. The prime minister was trying to make a statement about the Palestinians and that’s the real problem.

Saying that the Palestinians are Nazis — very much like the comparison between Israel and the Nazis — has no place in a fact-based or historically accurate discourse. That should go without saying. The only reason to do so would be to illustrate that it is impossible to negotiate, or even speak with, the other side — that they must be fought to the bloody end. That is the historical historical context and significance of comparing somebody to the Nazis. They are one of the few regimes in all of history whose illegitimacy is absolute — to everyone in the world. Even those who had the most remote ties with the Nazis, even those who tried to make deals with them to save Jews, were later classified as traitors. Because one wages only war against Nazis. Look at every WWII film ever made — there is no such thing as a good Nazi.

And the funny thing is that the above shows who is calling who a nazi; while some here, shira, shamelessly defend him.

[oberliner]

31. You don't hate Israel?

What do you like about it?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

36. I don't fawn over countries: as a general rule.

I do like kishka, but that is a food not a country.

[oberliner]

37. Kishka isn't Israeli

It's Eastern European.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

38. As I said it is a food...

Please keep up.

[oberliner]

39. So are burritos

But they are not Israeli - and neither is kishka.

So was that just a non-sequitor or what?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

41. Do you have a problem with burritos or kishka?

Really?

BTW: the Grand Mufti made me type Kishka.

[oberliner]

42. You wrote above that you don't hate Israel

The impression from the way you describe Israel suggests that you have great antipathy towards that country.

I was just wondering if you could share what aspects of the country you find to be positive.

I didn't understand what your response of "kishka" meant in that context.

If you can explain what you meant by that, I'd appreciate it.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

43. Try re-reading post #36.

Antipathy? No, ober.

[oberliner]

45. I'm still misunderstanding the kishka reference

I understand that you do not "fawn over" countries and I am not implying in any way that you do.

When I was asking you about Israel you made a reference to "kishka" which is not Israeli, so I'm trying to figure out what you meant by that.

Can you clarify?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

46. Some times acigar is just a cigar, ober.

You need to stop obsessing.

[grossproffit]

6. He's absolutely right. ‘We Welcome Every Drop of Blood Spilled in Jerusalem’ Abbas

[geek tragedy]

7. the analogy would be correct if Hitler spent most of his time protecting Jews from being attacked

by Germans.

By the way, that Abbas quote is a reference to Palestinian blood being shed in what they consider their cause. It's not a call to spill Jewish blood.

[King_David]

24. That interpretation is YOURS nt

[geek tragedy]

25. No, it's the interpretation of people who are familiar

with a concept called 'context'

“We will not forsake our country and we will keep every inch of our land,” Abbas said in a Ramallah address, according to the Maariv daily. “Every drop of blood spilled in Jerusalem is pure, every shahid [martyr] will reach paradise, and every injured person will be rewarded by God.”

The meaning here is obvious. Only propagandists with an agenda to deceive would claim that the reference is to Jewish blood here, given the references to martyrs and saying that every injured person will be rewarded by God.

Pretty sure he's not talking about Jews when he talks about martyrs and god rewarding people for being injured in Jerusalem.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

44. "with a concept called 'context' "

Well, that pretty much ended that.

[6chars]

8. Only in one respect

He said Abbas' incitement is on the same level as Hitler's anti-Jewish propaganda. That's probably a stretch, although and Hamas and PLO etc in and it is probably comparable. One major difference between Abbas and Hitler is that Hitler doesn't deny the Holocaust.

[geek tragedy]

9. The hasbarist hyperbole machine is making me defend Abbas here.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas on Sunday called the Holocaust “the most heinous crime” of modern history.

“[W]hat happened to the Jews in the Holocaust is the most heinous crime to have occurred against humanity in the modern era,” Abbas said in a meeting with the American rabbi Marc Schneier, the Associated Press reports. The official Palestinian news agency WAFA quoted Abbas as expressing his “sympathy with the families of the victims and many other innocent people who were killed.”

http://time.com/78369/palestine-abbas-holocaust-crime/

That, and you, the fact that Abbas's security folks actively prevent violent attacks against Jews.

But, never let facts get in the way of the need to demonize the Palestinians.

[oberliner]

10. He's come a long way since his Holocaust denial dissertation in 1983

The one where he refused to accept that six million Jews were killed and where he asserted that Zionists caused the Holocaust.

[geek tragedy]

11. I'm very familiar with his 1980's toxic anti-Semitism.

But, as you (but not everyone) recognize, things and people can change with time.

[oberliner]

12. I do recognize and appreciate his growth in this area

I personally like Abbas and think he means well and has done a decent job under nearly impossible circumstances.

[geek tragedy]

13. did you see that Netanyahu is blaming Palestinians for the Holocaust now?

One wonders what future actions that rhetoric is supposed to justify.

[oberliner]

14. I saw the comment you are talking about

He has been known to highlight the relationship between Hitler and the Grand Mufti in past speeches.

In fact, I believe he has quoted from the Hitler-Mufti pact and other documents related to Al-Husseini that were presented as evidence at Nuremberg.

This comment seems to take it further than he has in the past, but I think he just meant it as a throwaway line to make his usual points on the subject of past hostility towards the Jews in the region. He kind of flies past it and moves on pretty quickly in this speech.

I'll have to find his speech from a few years ago where he goes into detail about the Mufti - I think, in response, to Abbas saying something positive about him.

Edit to add: I found the earlier speech and added it to a reply to your OP on the remarks.

[shira]

22. No, Abbas hasn't come a long way. His dissertation didn't deny the Shoah...

It's just that he argued Jews helped perpetrate the Holocaust. He's still sticking to his guns.

http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/170686/mahmoud-abbas-still-a-holocaust-denier

IOW, the Zionist movement is partly responsible for the genocide of 6 million Jews.

[Little Tich]

32. You asked me before to find an article from Tablet Mag that was BS. Congratulations - you just found

one...

Unlike Netanyahu, Abbas has understood the truth about the Holocaust, and the horrible accusation that Abbas considers the Jews guilty for their own genocide doesn't hold water. I call BS on that Tablet Mag article.

[shira]

33. Unfortunately, this is true. Abbas is still a holocaust denier today

You should have at least looked at the links from Tablet. Here's one from Jan. 2013:
http://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=557940

Abbas also defended his doctoral thesis about the relationship between Zionists and the Nazi party in Germany, saying he "challenges anyone who can deny that the Zionist movement had ties with the Nazis before World War II."

Also from 2011...

Abbas' book reveals: The 'Nazi-Zionist plot' of the Holocaust
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4596121,00.html

And as late as Feb. 2015...

Abbas book tying Nazism to Zionism to be translated to Hebrew
http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Crossing-the-Arabic-threshold-Abbas-book-tying-Nazism-to-Zionism-to-be-translated-390468

Now hold on to your seat.

None of this gets reported in the Western press. Just like UNRWA's hate isn't reported, Amnesty's support of terrorists, refusal to combat antisemitism, etc.

Ask yourself why.

[Little Tich]

34. Forward: Why Mahmoud Abbas Holocaust Declaration Matters

Source: The Jewish Daily Forward, May 1, 2014

In late April, I met with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas at his office in Ramallah. Responding to my suggestion that he address the Jewish people on Yom HaShoah, he stated emphatically that he considers the Holocaust to be “the most tragic event in the modern era” and that he would issue an official statement affirming that.

In the Middle East, such promises have a way of getting sidetracked — or lost in translation. But a week later, on the eve of Holocaust Memorial Day, April 27, the Palestinian President released his eagerly awaited statement through WAFA, the Palestinian news agency, not only in English, but in Arabic, too, for his own people and the Arab world, affirming, “What happened to the Jews in the Holocaust is the most heinous crime to have been committed against humanity in the modern era.”

Expressing his “sympathy for the families of the victims and the many other innocent people killed during the Holocaust,” Abbas added, “The Holocaust is a reflection of the concept of ethnic discrimination and racism which the Palestinians strongly reject and act against.” For Abbas to have elevated the Holocaust over all other crimes against humanity is a remarkable development. For others to dismiss this statement as nothing but theater is truly a shame.

Mohammed Dajani, a professor of political science at Al-Quds University, in East Jerusalem, recently led a group of Palestinian students on a first-of-its-kind visit to Auschwitz. He stated that Abbas’s comments represent “a groundbreaking statement in the Arab world” and that Abbas was “courageous” for having issued a statement likely to evoke negative reactions in his own camp. Remarkably, there has been little criticism of Abbas’s historic statement in the Palestinian and Arab media, even from groups like Hamas, which has long indulged in blatant Holocaust denial.

I have been heartened by the outpouring of phone calls and e-mails from both Jews and Muslims around the world expressing support for the results of this outreach to Abbas. I was especially pleased by the reaction to Abbas’s statement by Israel’s Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial, which said his words “might signal a change” in long-standing Palestinian denial of the Holocaust with the hope that there will be a change reflected in the Palestinian government’s official materials, school curricula and public discourse.

Read more: http://forward.com/opinion/197415/why-mahmoud-abbas-holocaust-declaration-matters/


In the end, it's about whose authority we choose to rely on.

[shira]

47. So where does he walk back his claims that Zionists collaborated w/ Nazis....

....and therefore had a role in the murder of untold numbers of Jews?

In the end, it's about whose authority we choose to rely on.

You don't trust Maan reporting on Abbas' Holocaust denial?

[Little Tich]

48. You're grasping at straws.

I can't find anywhere in the article where Abbas supports such a position, and if he did, do you really think the guy who wrote the article would let it stand?

[shira]

49. So Maan lied about the Abbas claim that Jews helped perpetrate the Holocaust?

Here's another Palestinian source reporting it:

http://www.palpress.co.uk/arabic/?Action=Details&ID=73936

Palestine Press.

Accomplished channel fields a special meeting and at length with the President of the State of Palestine Mahmoud Abbas, and the meeting lasted about two hours touched during which the president to the things that did not mention her by such position of Zionism and the secrets of writing on this subject, where the President of the Palestine says, "I challenge one of whom deny the Zionist relationship to Nazism before World War II, President Abu Mazen revealed that the 70 books he has not yet promised to channel fields rings especially to talk about published.

That was a teaser from a 2 hour interview by the Beirut TV station Al-Mayadeen, which many Jewish outlets picked up on and reported.

Pro-Palestinian Western Press couldn't be bothered to report on this.

[shira]

50. Excerpt from Abbas' book, published in 2011...

“The Zionist movement did not send any assistance, financial or otherwise, for the victims of Nazism and it did not allow any other side to provide any kind of aid. The Zionist movement concealed the information that came from within the ghetto walls and concentration camps, news that shed light on what was really happening. If it had to publish anything, it did so by questioning that information and diminishing its importance.”

“Zionism adopted the Nazi selection principle, when it went to save Jews from the slaughter. It made itself the ultimate arbiter regarding Jewish life, deciding who deserves to live and who deserves to die.”

“The Zionist movement did not make any effort to convince Western countries to take in the Jewish refugees escaping the horrors of the Holocaust. It even placed obstacles I the way of efforts made by Christian groups or by non-Zionist Jews or a number of countries that saw fit to find a solution to this humanitarian problem.”

“All of this wasn’t enough - the Zionist movement led a broad campaign of incitement against the Jews living under Nazi rule to arouse the government’s hatred of them, to fuel vengeance against them and to expand the mass extermination.”

From Mahmoud Abbas’ book “The Other Side: The Secret Relationship Between Nazism and Zionism” (Billsan Publising House, Ramallah, 2011), based on his doctoral dissertation.

Check it out. The book exists and it was published in 2011.

You can probably buy it online if you're interested.

[Little Tich]

54. Check the the dates - Abbas came to his senses in 2014 - your sources are from before 2014.

Unless Abbas got hold of a DeLorean with a flux capacitor, there's not much he can do to change the past...

[shira]

55. You denied Abbas' claim of Jews collaborating w/ Nazis re: the Final Solution...

Are you finally acknowledging Abbas has been making this claim for over 30 years?

Realize that he never took this one back. In fact, here's something from 2015 showing Abbas' book being currently accessible on the PA's official website and that it is being published in Hebrew.

http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Crossing-the-Arabic-threshold-Abbas-book-tying-Nazism-to-Zionism-to-be-translated-390468

That book, BTW, also calls into question the use of gas chambers and the number of Jews killed (under 1 million).

[shira]

56. Do u acknowledge up to 2014, Mahmoud Abbas was still a Holocaust Denier?

Saying the Jews collaborated with Nazis is not just Holocaust revision, but denial.

[Little Tich]

57. I can't say much about Abbas personal journey to enlightenment.

The penny dropped at some time, it might have been in conjunction with his recantation or before. I'm generally wary of making possibilities into certainties.

[shira]

58. I have no patience for folks who rightly condemn Bibi's Holocaust comment....

....but have no problem & are silent about Abbas' vile Holocaust Denial.

Abbas never recanted.

[shira]

21. Abbas is still a Holocaust Denier. While definitely acknowledging it happened....

....he claims the Jews helped perpetrate it.

http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/170686/mahmoud-abbas-still-a-holocaust-denier

He's never changed his story either.

[DanTex]

28. "probably a stretch". LOL. Haven't been here in a bit. Glad to see the comedy is still top notch.

[King_David]

16. Are you gonna say "Godspeed " again ?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1134114701#post1

[grossproffit]

26. One of the most sickening posts I've seen here.

SMH.

[King_David]

27. It is the most disgusting post...

Very revealing

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

40. What's revealing is how some can't stop with the hyperventillating.

[grossproffit]

53. Or, clucthing pearls.

[King_David]

17. Godspeed ??

LOL


http://www.democraticunderground.com/1134114701#post1