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grossproffit

(5,591 posts)
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 02:35 AM Oct 2015

Children's show in Gaza praises Palestinian attackers as 'true heroes'

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A children's television show in the Gaza Strip hosted a show where the kids praised Palestinians that have stabbed Israelis during the current wave of violence as "true heroes."

The segment, which aired on Al-Kitab TV on October 4th, showcased a discussion about the current situation between girls who were dressed in the traditional keffiyeh and hijab, and hailed the attacks against Israelis.

One of the girls said “Glory and eternity to our pure martyrs. We salute their families, and we revere the young heroes who have sacrificed their lives for Jerusalem, and who carried out all those great heroic acts.” The host of the show, who is also a young, added that “We love them and kiss their hands, because they are true heroes."

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Encouraging more martyrs, she said that one day they would be honored by “all the museums of the world.”

She finished by saying that “The Israelis fight with missile and tanks, but we fight with stones. We are not afraid. They are more afraid than us. They love life."[/quote]

[url]http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel/90216-151025-children-s-show-in-gaza-praises-palestinian-attackers-as-true-heroes[/url]

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Children's show in Gaza praises Palestinian attackers as 'true heroes' (Original Post) grossproffit Oct 2015 OP
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #1
And the vast majority are against civilians, so? n/t shira Oct 2015 #5
What do israeli children's shows tell jewish children about Palestinians? DetlefK Oct 2015 #2
That's all you have to say about this? shira Oct 2015 #4
Which makes it a lose-lose-situation for Israel. DetlefK Oct 2015 #7
All you're doing is deflecting. We're done. n/t shira Oct 2015 #8
Where did you recently read that article? oberliner Oct 2015 #13
Did you get that link ? King_David Oct 2015 #19
The way things are going, these kids will probably become Israelis when they grow up. Little Tich Oct 2015 #3
Are you not appalled at this disgusting child abuse & racism? n/t shira Oct 2015 #6
Now that you mention racism... DetlefK Oct 2015 #9
Why can't you condemn what's in the OP unconditionally? n/t shira Oct 2015 #10
I do condemn it. I do. DetlefK Oct 2015 #11
You justify rather than condemn with those "buts"... n/t shira Oct 2015 #17
Do you unconditionally condemn the destruction of palestinian villages in the Westbank? DetlefK Oct 2015 #22
Resurrect another thread with that kind of OP and I'll gladly answer you.... shira Oct 2015 #24
Sorry for that. DetlefK Oct 2015 #25
You won't answer. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #30
How to Identify and Defeat an Internet Troll shira Oct 2015 #31
Yes, I believe I know just what you're talking about! Fozzledick Oct 2015 #32
How to identify those that run from questions. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #33
Palestinians choose not to join the IDF for the most part oberliner Oct 2015 #12
I'm extremely wary of Palestinian Media Watch, and I have no way of knowing what the clip is about. Little Tich Oct 2015 #14
No one sane denies the mass evidence of these types of recordings.... shira Oct 2015 #15
Key word being "sane." eom grossproffit Oct 2015 #16
Sorry, I was wrong, it was MEMRI, not PMW who "translated" the clip. Little Tich Oct 2015 #18
What am I missing here? 6chars Oct 2015 #20
For me, it's very important that the translation is correct. Little Tich Oct 2015 #21
I agree - but all you have to show is one very weak example of it.... shira Oct 2015 #23
Of course. Little Tich Oct 2015 #26
Dodgy as they usually are? But you can't even prove that. shira Oct 2015 #27
The translations aren't dodgy oberliner Oct 2015 #28
I wish I were surprised by this. NaturalHigh Oct 2015 #29

Response to grossproffit (Original post)

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
7. Which makes it a lose-lose-situation for Israel.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 06:42 AM
Oct 2015

I recently read an article how the israeli media refuses to report on the plight of the Palestinians, because it's bad for ratings and sales.

Do jewish-israeli children know about the Palestinians at all?

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
13. Where did you recently read that article?
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:42 AM
Oct 2015

Can you provide a link?

Israeli media regularly reports on the plight of the Palestinians. Ha'aretz, in particular.

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
3. The way things are going, these kids will probably become Israelis when they grow up.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 06:27 AM
Oct 2015

That's certainly food for thought...

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
9. Now that you mention racism...
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 06:51 AM
Oct 2015

How much of the israeli population is of palestinian descent? 20%?

How many israeli policemen/judges/IDF-soldiers are of palestinian descent?
How many israeli journalists are of palestinian descent?
How many israeli students of higher education are of palestinian descent?



Israel is inherently racist. It was founded with the noble racist goal of preserving the jewish race and culture. But then the experiment went out of control: Racism for the sake of conservation became racism for the sake of dominance.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
11. I do condemn it. I do.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 07:16 AM
Oct 2015

But the situation is too complex to do it unconditionally on limited information. See my DU-mail.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
22. Do you unconditionally condemn the destruction of palestinian villages in the Westbank?
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 06:09 AM
Oct 2015

Do you unconditionally condemn the death of 2000 civilians in the latest Gaza-war?



As I said: The situation is too murky for black&white-statements.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
24. Resurrect another thread with that kind of OP and I'll gladly answer you....
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 06:43 AM
Oct 2015

Last edited Tue Oct 27, 2015, 07:40 AM - Edit history (1)

There have been many such articles here over the years.

Try google.

You're derailing this thread.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
31. How to Identify and Defeat an Internet Troll
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:53 PM
Oct 2015

Have you ever met an internet troll? A troll is a special class of sociopath.

These nasty individuals are the sadistic ne'er-do-wells of the digital realm, the misanthropic misfits of information age. Unlike a normal person, when a troll enters an online discussion, he is not seeking truth or clarification. He usually doesn't even know how to debate in an intelligent manner. All he wants to do is inflict pain, ridicule, and humiliation on a targeted person.....

http://www.peorian.com/technology/technology-news/trolls-cyberbullies/1079-how-to-identify-and-defeat-an-internet-troll

Fozzledick

(3,859 posts)
32. Yes, I believe I know just what you're talking about!
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 05:24 PM
Oct 2015


No use trying to pretend you can have an honest conversation with them.
 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
33. How to identify those that run from questions.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 06:58 PM
Oct 2015

They usually post diversions about internet trolls: hoping that nobody will notice their 'choke'.
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
12. Palestinians choose not to join the IDF for the most part
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 07:26 AM
Oct 2015

About 10 percent of Israeli judges are Palestinian-Israelis.

About 15 percent of Israeli students of higher education are of Palestinian descent.

As for Israeli journalists, there are quite a few who are of Palestinian descent. I don't know the exact percentage, but I would estimate it's in the same ranges as the above.

Israel, like the United States, certainly has issues with racism. The United States, incidentally, being a country that was explicitly founded on racist principles that still plague the country to this day.

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
14. I'm extremely wary of Palestinian Media Watch, and I have no way of knowing what the clip is about.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:47 AM
Oct 2015

Nevertheless, it would be stupid to deny that Hamas is trying to teach children to hate Jews. That's morally wrong on a fundamental level, and eventually someone has to repair the damage Hamas has done to Gaza.

Unfortunately, I think it will be a very reluctant Israel that will have to pick up the pieces, eventually.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
15. No one sane denies the mass evidence of these types of recordings....
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 06:31 PM
Oct 2015

It's EXTREMELY weak sauce to deny it.

And it's not just hate that Hamas teaches the children it abuses, it's hate that leads to the murder of Jews - from elderly down to the children - and that's hatred on steroids.

Those who cannot unequivocally condemn this cannot be taken seriously - and should be irrelevant to the I/P conversation.

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
18. Sorry, I was wrong, it was MEMRI, not PMW who "translated" the clip.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:53 PM
Oct 2015

I trust my own eyes, but I don't trust MEMRI - they've made false translations in the past, most notably the one with the Farfour character. I have no reason to believe that this particular clip is truthfully translated, as it seems to be the MEMRI "business model" to distribute mistranslated clips to make Arabs and Palestinians look bad.

I think that's the problem with politically motivated watchdogs: If there's no evidence for what they're looking for, it's a small step for them to start creating their own evidence.

While I do believe that Hamas is disseminating Jew hatred amongst children, this clip is almost proof of the opposite. If there were actual examples of this, we wouldn't need MEMRI to "translate" them.

6chars

(3,967 posts)
20. What am I missing here?
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:01 PM
Oct 2015

"While I do believe that Hamas is disseminating Jew hatred amongst children, this clip is almost proof of the opposite. If there were actual examples of this, we wouldn't need MEMRI to "translate" them."

I don't follow this statement - would Hamas be doing this in English? Would we all speak Arabic? If not, we would need some translation.

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
21. For me, it's very important that the translation is correct.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:41 PM
Oct 2015

I consider incorrect translations to be deliberate falsification of evidence. If the translations of Palestinian clips were correct, however, my only argument would be that Palestinian incitement is unfairly targeted, and I'm not sure that would convince anyone.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
23. I agree - but all you have to show is one very weak example of it....
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 06:34 AM
Oct 2015

Actually, not even that one.

Meanwhile, most of your sources have been shown to completely fabricate the complete opposite of what should be reported.

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
26. Of course.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 07:27 AM
Oct 2015

It’s just the small matter that the particular MEMRI translation in the OP is as dodgy as they usually are...

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
27. Dodgy as they usually are? But you can't even prove that.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 07:36 AM
Oct 2015

Evidence shows that MEMRI and PMW are far more honest and accurate than your sources.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
28. The translations aren't dodgy
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 07:42 AM
Oct 2015

The problem with MEMRI is not the accuracy of translations but rather the selectivity of what they translate.

The occasional times that they do have a translation error, it is quickly identified.

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