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Related: About this forumChildren's show in Gaza praises Palestinian attackers as 'true heroes'
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A children's television show in the Gaza Strip hosted a show where the kids praised Palestinians that have stabbed Israelis during the current wave of violence as "true heroes."
The segment, which aired on Al-Kitab TV on October 4th, showcased a discussion about the current situation between girls who were dressed in the traditional keffiyeh and hijab, and hailed the attacks against Israelis.
One of the girls said Glory and eternity to our pure martyrs. We salute their families, and we revere the young heroes who have sacrificed their lives for Jerusalem, and who carried out all those great heroic acts. The host of the show, who is also a young, added that We love them and kiss their hands, because they are true heroes."
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Encouraging more martyrs, she said that one day they would be honored by all the museums of the world.
She finished by saying that The Israelis fight with missile and tanks, but we fight with stones. We are not afraid. They are more afraid than us. They love life."[/quote]
[url]http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel/90216-151025-children-s-show-in-gaza-praises-palestinian-attackers-as-true-heroes[/url]
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shira
(30,109 posts)DetlefK
(16,423 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)Israel's children's show are nothing like this.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)I recently read an article how the israeli media refuses to report on the plight of the Palestinians, because it's bad for ratings and sales.
Do jewish-israeli children know about the Palestinians at all?
shira
(30,109 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Can you provide a link?
Israeli media regularly reports on the plight of the Palestinians. Ha'aretz, in particular.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Little Tich
(6,171 posts)That's certainly food for thought...
shira
(30,109 posts)DetlefK
(16,423 posts)How much of the israeli population is of palestinian descent? 20%?
How many israeli policemen/judges/IDF-soldiers are of palestinian descent?
How many israeli journalists are of palestinian descent?
How many israeli students of higher education are of palestinian descent?
Israel is inherently racist. It was founded with the noble racist goal of preserving the jewish race and culture. But then the experiment went out of control: Racism for the sake of conservation became racism for the sake of dominance.
shira
(30,109 posts)DetlefK
(16,423 posts)But the situation is too complex to do it unconditionally on limited information. See my DU-mail.
shira
(30,109 posts)DetlefK
(16,423 posts)Do you unconditionally condemn the death of 2000 civilians in the latest Gaza-war?
As I said: The situation is too murky for black&white-statements.
shira
(30,109 posts)Last edited Tue Oct 27, 2015, 07:40 AM - Edit history (1)
There have been many such articles here over the years.
Try google.
You're derailing this thread.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Well that shows where you stand on things.
shira
(30,109 posts)Have you ever met an internet troll? A troll is a special class of sociopath.
These nasty individuals are the sadistic ne'er-do-wells of the digital realm, the misanthropic misfits of information age. Unlike a normal person, when a troll enters an online discussion, he is not seeking truth or clarification. He usually doesn't even know how to debate in an intelligent manner. All he wants to do is inflict pain, ridicule, and humiliation on a targeted person.....
http://www.peorian.com/technology/technology-news/trolls-cyberbullies/1079-how-to-identify-and-defeat-an-internet-troll
Fozzledick
(3,859 posts)No use trying to pretend you can have an honest conversation with them.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)They usually post diversions about internet trolls: hoping that nobody will notice their 'choke'.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)About 10 percent of Israeli judges are Palestinian-Israelis.
About 15 percent of Israeli students of higher education are of Palestinian descent.
As for Israeli journalists, there are quite a few who are of Palestinian descent. I don't know the exact percentage, but I would estimate it's in the same ranges as the above.
Israel, like the United States, certainly has issues with racism. The United States, incidentally, being a country that was explicitly founded on racist principles that still plague the country to this day.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)Nevertheless, it would be stupid to deny that Hamas is trying to teach children to hate Jews. That's morally wrong on a fundamental level, and eventually someone has to repair the damage Hamas has done to Gaza.
Unfortunately, I think it will be a very reluctant Israel that will have to pick up the pieces, eventually.
shira
(30,109 posts)It's EXTREMELY weak sauce to deny it.
And it's not just hate that Hamas teaches the children it abuses, it's hate that leads to the murder of Jews - from elderly down to the children - and that's hatred on steroids.
Those who cannot unequivocally condemn this cannot be taken seriously - and should be irrelevant to the I/P conversation.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)Little Tich
(6,171 posts)I trust my own eyes, but I don't trust MEMRI - they've made false translations in the past, most notably the one with the Farfour character. I have no reason to believe that this particular clip is truthfully translated, as it seems to be the MEMRI "business model" to distribute mistranslated clips to make Arabs and Palestinians look bad.
I think that's the problem with politically motivated watchdogs: If there's no evidence for what they're looking for, it's a small step for them to start creating their own evidence.
While I do believe that Hamas is disseminating Jew hatred amongst children, this clip is almost proof of the opposite. If there were actual examples of this, we wouldn't need MEMRI to "translate" them.
6chars
(3,967 posts)"While I do believe that Hamas is disseminating Jew hatred amongst children, this clip is almost proof of the opposite. If there were actual examples of this, we wouldn't need MEMRI to "translate" them."
I don't follow this statement - would Hamas be doing this in English? Would we all speak Arabic? If not, we would need some translation.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)I consider incorrect translations to be deliberate falsification of evidence. If the translations of Palestinian clips were correct, however, my only argument would be that Palestinian incitement is unfairly targeted, and I'm not sure that would convince anyone.
shira
(30,109 posts)Actually, not even that one.
Meanwhile, most of your sources have been shown to completely fabricate the complete opposite of what should be reported.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)Its just the small matter that the particular MEMRI translation in the OP is as dodgy as they usually are...
shira
(30,109 posts)Evidence shows that MEMRI and PMW are far more honest and accurate than your sources.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)The problem with MEMRI is not the accuracy of translations but rather the selectivity of what they translate.
The occasional times that they do have a translation error, it is quickly identified.