Israelis are being stabbed to death in the streets of Jerusalem - why doesn't anyone care?

[shira]

Countless headlines were corrected this month, nearly one for every deadly terror attack in Israel. Meanwhile, Palestinian incitement was dismissed by some as "an Israeli line", a "distraction".

Radical clerics brandishing knives and holding up explosive belts, Hamas spokesmen acting as cheerleaders for terror attacks, and Palestinian radio playing songs of praise to the "martyrs", were of little interest to a media focused only on Israeli actions.

The willingness to disregard reality, to display this level of animosity toward Israel at a time when its civilians were facing a wave of rampant terror, sends a clear message: "Your lives are of no interest to us"....

...When we read headlines focusing on Israel's in-the-moment response to murderous Palestinian terrorism, rather than on the terrorist stabbings and shootings themselves, I wonder precisely what such people expect from Israelis? When a television presenter asks Jerusalem's mayor if carrying a gun to protect oneself from a stabbing wasn't "excessive"? Do they wish for Israelis to passively accept the terrorist's knife in their chest, and not defend themselves lest this provokes another negative headline or protest abroad? Solidarity and sympathy with Palestinians aside, what we have witnessed these past weeks has looked like solidarity with murderous Palestinian knife-wielders, mixed with callousness towards innocent Israelis' lives.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/israelis-are-being-stabbed-death-streets-jerusalem-why-does-nobody-care-1526422

[saturnsring]

1. havent they been stabbing at each other for about 3000 years

why doesn't anyone care?

[shira]

2. The answer is at the end of the article - in the bold that I highlighted in the OP....

There's solidarity with the terrorists against the random Jews they're attacking. It's why there's more outrage at how terrorists are dealt with than the victims they're stabbing.

Same madness and insanity that afflicted Europe in the 1930's and 40's.

To use your language, same hatred that's gone on for 3000 years.

[geek tragedy]

3. One person per day is being killed in Israel.

20 people per day are getting shot to death in El Salvador. Every day. Year round. Year after year.

No one is going to feel sorry for Israel because its privileged caste is suffering violence at 1/20th the rate that people in El Salvador do.

Also, you don't care about the death and suffering inflicted by Israel upon Palestinians, so it's hypocritical for you to make this argument.

[shira]

6. The world cares more for terrorists killed in response....

...than the random Jews they're violently attacking and killing.

Why is that? Why don't they care more for the Jews attacked than the terrorists attacking them?

[geek tragedy]

8. you're flailing at your own straw man nt

[shira]

9. I'm sticking to the OP - and it's a fact that the most unhinged hostile critics....

....of Israel care more for terrorists than they do their victims.

You really wish to argue otherwise?

I'd like to see that.

[Mosby]

10. your doing the same thing you accuse others of doing

Typical.

Maybe you should ask skinner to open an El Salvador group.

[geek tragedy]

11. There's a Latin America group already. nt

[Mosby]

12. its worse in El Salvador than Israel

I agree.

It's also worse for Arabs in every ME country other than Israel.

Right?

[geek tragedy]

13. Kind of like how black people in South Africa had it better than

those elsewhere in the continent?

[Mosby]

14. you dodged the question

And for the record, until Israelis start dying at the rate of Salvadorans no one should give a shit? Is that really your position?

[geek tragedy]

15. I dunno. You'd have to ask people in Morocco if they'd like to live as second-class

citizens in Israel.

[Mosby]

16. so you got nothing.

As usual.

[geek tragedy]

17. No, I said I'm not in a position to speak for people who live in places

like Morocco.

You're using the same arguments the Afrikaners used. Easy mistake to make, obviously, but still try to be more careful.

[azurnoir]

4. most the Palestinian perpetrators are killed at the scene

[shira]

5. You've proven the point in the OP that I highlighted in bold. n/t

[azurnoir]

7. yes vigilantism is rampant right now and being encouraged by the government

[Jefferson23]

18. +1. n/t

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

22. Careful. You're playing against mensa-level debatery champion.

[shira]

31. I see it's still difficult for you to condemn terror attacks on innocents....

....without deflecting to something else.

[azurnoir]

32. you mentioned your bolded snip and it indicated vigilantism IMO

that's not a deflection

[shira]

34. No, it indicated self-defense. What do u expect Israelis to do? Nothing? n/t

[azurnoir]

37. allow the police and security to handle the situation not become gun toting vigilantes

[shira]

38. So your answer is they should do nothing but wait for police to react after the fact.

Giving the stabber more time to attack others until they're taken out.

[azurnoir]

40. umm ya but all things considered with increased security after the fact isn't always the case

but if you approve of this be my guest

[azurnoir]

41. oh one more thing what happen to an Israeli Arab who runs around 'packing'?

[King_David]

43. Guess you never been to Israel have you?

Druze and Bedoin soldiers are armed as well as Israeli Arab soldiers of the IDF.


http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.573172?v=C2DDD0BA2F1DA853D5AF2A2E464F3209

[azurnoir]

48. your linky-Onward Christian Soldiers? Israeli Army Sees Increase in Christian Arab Recruits

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.573172?v=C2DDD0BA2F1DA853D5AF2A2E464F3209

nice try to deflect though

[denverbill]

19. I think it's blatantly obvious to most of us that Israel has no intention of addressing the problem.

The problem being, Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands and the subjugation of the Palestinian people.

When people are hopeless and subjugated, they will eventually lash out in any way they can. They don't have an army, or tanks, or planes, or many guns. They can't fight a war against Israel's army and win, or even do significant damage. The Israeli government has made it clear they don't give a damn about the Palestinians and have no intention of withdrawing from the occupied areas ever. Appeals from moderate Palestinians fall on deaf ears. UN resolutions are ignored. My guess is the Palestinians figure maybe if we kill enough innocent civilians, eventually, Israel will be forced to come to the negotiating table with a just proposal. My guess is that won't happen and Israel will eventually just use their military again to kill more Palestinians, destroy more homes and infrastructure, build more settlements and sit back and wait for the next insurrection.

[shira]

20. You're explaining away terror attacks against innocents. Where else in the world....

...do you see victims of occupation or worse attacking random innocents of all ages in retaliation because they have no army, etc.?

[denverbill]

21. We used to see bombings all the time in England/Ireland until a political solution was reached.

It still happens in Spain occasionally with the Basques. The Kurds have attacked Turkey and Iraq. All of those groups killed many innocent civilians in bombings. I'm sure I'm missing others.

But frankly, I don't think in any of those cases, the groups in question are nearly as beaten down as the Palestinians.

Your question was 'why don't people care'? I guess I don't care because I don't know what else Israel expects hopeless people to do, so I'm not surprised by it. I can imagine myself in their situation. Poor, with few modern amenities, repeatedly beaten up in wars. Many families with family members killed or jailed by Israel (rightly or wrongly). Utterly NO hope of a political solution. Angry, hate-filled people preaching violence as the only solution. Are you really surprised that some people choose violence? Are you surprised that when talks fail, people look for other solutions? I'm not.

Add to that the fact that murders are pretty matter-of-fact in America nowadays. Israel has a few people murdered by a guys with knives, we have 20 killed by a guy with semiautomatic weapons. When a school shooting seems to happen every week in America, it's hard to get worked up over a few murders in Israel.

[shira]

24. The Irish didn't deliberately target elderly or children & vow to murder...

.....as many innocent English folks as they could.

Nor did they have anyone defending such a policy.

Basques and Kurds don't do that either.

==============

Those groups are beaten down more than Palestinians, given that Palestinians have been offered their own state at least a half-dozen times since 1937, rejecting every single offer. Imagine the Irish, Basques, or Kurds turning down every offer for their own sovereignty.

Your argument is nonsensical and silly.

[denverbill]

45. I guess Shin Bet is nonsensical and silly as well.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1134118760

Unless they are deriving their analysis from my DU posts.

[shira]

46. You're assuming life under PA sovereignty would make things much better....

It wouldn't. Such is life under authoritarian regressive regimes.

That same feeling of hopelessness & despair throughout the entire middle east (under brutal totalitarian rule) exists & Israel cannot be blamed for that.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

23. This terror does not exist in a vacuum; as hard as you try to pretend it does.

...do you see victims of occupation or worse attacking random innocents of all ages in retaliation because they have no army, etc.?

So what is the catalyst, shira?

Are all Palestinians just evil bad guys that hates the Jews to you?


Or is it something that most of us accept as reality; which is the brutal and systematic subjugation of the Palestinian people at the hands of Israel and their answer to it?

Even a child not warped by right wing zionist propaganda could understand that the Palestinians are being treated like shit by Israel and it's state-sponsored colonists.

[Little Tich]

25. It's generally seen as unacceptable to kill any and all assailants,

especially when no lives are at risk.

Well, there are some groups that believe it's OK - Republicans, White American police and Israel supporters, but most others don't. While stabbing terrorism is a definite problem, the gratuitous killing of the stabbers is a more remarkable problem, simply because it's so uncivilized and unnecessary.

Unfortunately, Israel has blurred the distinction between victim and perpetrator.

There's nothing to whine about, sorry...

[6chars]

28. Lives are at risk.

"While stabbing terrorism is a definite problem, the gratuitous killing of the stabbers is a more remarkable problem" - so then they shouldn't stab. Problem solved. With all the problems in the world today, the fact that terrorists committing and attempting murder are failing and getting shot is not high on the list. But this is what gets Amnesty International in a snit.

[Little Tich]

30. Any means possible are always the necessary ones when it comes to security. n/t

[shira]

33. Perfect example of how there's more solidarity & sympathy with terrorists....

.....than with those they are targetting.

Do you view the terrorists as oppressed victims worthy of more sympathy than the random innocents they're violently attacking?

[shira]

39. It's generally unacceptable to be in solidarity with attempted murderers.....

....while feeling no compassion whatsoever towards the innocent victims they're busy attacking.

[Little Tich]

42. Perpetrators who get summarily executed deserve our sympathy, simply because they were murdered.

Israel is supposed to be a democracy and have a rule of law - it's time that Israel acted like a normal country and gave these terrorists their day in court instead of murdering them. Israel has made the perpetrators into victims by acting like lawless savages.

[shira]

44. But they weren't murdered. Not all are being killed....

Do these terrorists deserve more sympathy than the innocent victims they're attacking?

[angryvet]

26. Because

of what they've been doing to Palestinians with impunity for years.

[grossproffit]

27. So, you're a supporter of this?

[6chars]

29. some people are constitutionally incapable of criticizing Palestinian actions

not sure that's intended as support, but it has that effect.

[shira]

36. Well, at least that's an answer to the OP question.

More honest than the deflections we've seen throughout this thread.

[shira]

35. Because of what elderly Jewish women & little children are doing to Palestinians?

WTF?