Senator Schumer: Condoning Terror Against Israel Led to Paris Attacks

[shira]

100% truth.

Because the world failed to rise up against terrorism directed against Israel beginning in the 1970s, the type of terrorism witnessed last Friday across Paris, killing more than 130 people, has been allowed to propagate, Senator Chuck Schumer (D-NY) said on Sunday, according to the Jewish Daily Insider.

“Israel and the Jewish people have been subject to the same type of terrorism since the ’70s. And for so long, when it just happened to Israel, the world condoned it. They (may have not) condoned it, but maybe didn’t do much about it, and Israel had to fight terrorism on her own,” said Schumer....

....And, because the world did not rise up, this terrorism, like a cancer, has spread throughout the world,” he said.

“Had the world come down when the terrorists shot the Israeli athletes at the Olympics (in Munich, 1972), or hijacked El AL planes, and come down on them hard, we wouldn’t have had what happened in Paris, today,” said Schumer, according to the report.

“The message other than fighting terrorism is to make sure that when it’s directed at one nation – like it has been directed in Israel for now decades – it’s directed at every nation. And the world must unite to defend Israel against the terrorism that is used against her day in and day out,” he said.

https://www.algemeiner.com/2015/11/17/democratic-senator-condoning-terror-against-israel-led-to-paris-attacks/

[ChairmanAgnostic]

1. He blithely ignores our CIA in Iran, our messin with

Iraq, our efforts to change leaders in other nearby nations, AND how we made friends with dictators and fascists throughout the world, especially in the middle east.

I recall our response to the Olympic attack. The civilized world was repelled and in dismay. He seems to have forgotten that.

I think he is off his meds.

[shira]

10. When terror comes to Europe, the world condemns the terrorists

When terror strikes Israel, it's Israel that is condemned. Terrorist actions against the Jews are "contextualized".

That's a fact.

How's about we treat France like Israel right now? We should be condemning France for a disproportionate response to ISIS, calling for a war crimes investigation, pressuring France to come to the negotiations table with the heads of ISIS. Call for a ban on all weapons shipments to France. Arrest warrant for Hollande.

Absurd, isn't it?

[Little Tich]

13. France is a civilized country, and would never do what Israel does.

And if they did, they would lose my support.

[oberliner]

14. This has got to be parody/satire

Am I right?

[Little Tich]

15. If France bombs targets in Syria like Israel bombed Gaza it would be a war crime,

and Hollande would get a call from the ICC to show up beside Netanyahu.

[shira]

19. NATO bombings in Kosovo, US & UK in Iraq, Afghanistan, drones in Pakistan....

US and Russian bombing in Syria - right now - claiming civilian lives. Bombing densely populated areas....

All are at least 10x worse than Israel, claiming a much higher percentage of civilians.

No war crimes investigations, no arrest warrants against leaders, no cries of disproportionism, cycle of violence, calls for negotiations....

Syrian activists: First civilians killed by French airstrikes
http://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2015/11/18/first-civillian-deaths-since-france-began-bombing-isis-in-syria-liveshot-paton-walsh-wrn.cnn

And it begins.

[shira]

24. Syrian activists claim 'stadium, museum, medical clinics' hit after France launched air strikes

Syrian activists claim 'stadium, museum and medical clinics' hit after France launched air strikes on ISIS
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/syrian-activists-claim-stadium-museum-6838577

Be consistent.

Call them war crimes. You would if it were Israel.

[Little Tich]

26. Interesting.

If the French attacks kills civilians, it would be better not to attack at all. These reports aren't confirmed, but if the French have been naughty, the truth will come out.

[shira]

29. Reports aren't confirmed - seriously? Did you know France has been at war in Africa?

From 2013:

France Is Involved In Another Mini War In Africa — And This One Is Trickier Than Mali
http://www.businessinsider.com/france-is-involved-in-another-mini-war-in-africa--and-this-is-trickier-than-mali-2013-12

Civilians killed by the hundreds, displaced. Disproportionate.

Where are the war crimes investigations, arrest warrants for heads of state, boycotts....?

There's one standard for the Jewish state, another for the rest of the world.

French being naughty?

[Little Tich]

35. I can't see any evidence of deliberate targetting of civilians and civilian infrastructure

like Israel did in Gaza. There's no reason yet for condemning French actions in Syria.

[shira]

37. Did you see evidence of NATO war crimes in Kosovo, US & UK in Iraq & Afghanistan....

War crimes via drone strikes in Pakistan?

That's deliberate targeting of civilians and civilian structures. But it doesn't count, because it wasn't Israel - right?

This was just last month and not a peep from the hypocrites who'd go apeshit had Israel done this...

WASHINGTON — The American commander in Afghanistan, Gen. John F. Campbell, said on Monday that Afghan forces had requested the airstrike that destroyed a Doctors Without Borders hospital in the city of Kunduz, conceding that the military had incorrectly reported at first that the response was to protect American troops said to be under direct threat.

But General Campbell’s response to criticism of the American airstrike during a brief news conference at the Pentagon did little to clarify the military’s initial claims that the strike had been an accident. Nor did it explain how an AC-130 gunship, a powerful and precise attack aircraft, killed 22 people, including patients and hospital staff members, during more than 30 minutes of firing on the hospital on Saturday morning as Afghan forces fought to retake Kunduz from the Taliban.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/06/world/asia/afghanistan-kunduz-doctors-without-borders-hospital.html?emc=edit_th_20151006&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=69833164&_r=0

Why no outrage?

That's far worse than anything reported against Israel WRT Gaza in 2014.

You can go back to the year 2000 at the start of Intifada II and not find anything like that as far as Israel is concerned.

And yet, crickets from the Western Israel-hating, human rights imposters.

[Little Tich]

43. The attack on the hospital seems to have been a mistake of some kind.

Unlike Israel, Nato doesn't have a policy of attacking hospitals.

[shira]

44. A mistake? It's worse than anything Israel could possibly be accused of.....

....going back decades.

You'd never give Israel the benefit of the doubt had they done that.

And Israel doesn't have a policy of attacking hospitals.

Can't help but SMH at almost every post I'm responding to on this thread.

[Little Tich]

45. Of course Israel has a policy of attacking hospitals.

If a suspected terrorist is nearby, any hospital nearby is fair game for the IDF. When warfare is conducted according to the laws of war, hospitals shouldn't be targetted. Anyway, Israel attacked Gaza in 2014, mostly targetting civilians and civilian infrastructure - something that doesn't really compare to the hospital attack in Afgahanistan.

2014 Israel–Gaza conflict
Source: Wikipedia
(snip)

Between 2,142 and 2,310 Gazans were killed and between 10,626 and 10,895 were wounded (including 3,374 children, of whom over 1,000 were left permanently disabled). 66 Israeli soldiers, 5 Israeli civilians (including one child) and one Thai civilian were killed and 469 IDF soldiers and 261 Israeli civilians were injured. The Gaza Health Ministry, UN and some human rights groups reported that 69–75% of the Palestinian casualties were civilians; Israeli officials estimated that around 50% of those killed were civilians. On 5 August, OCHA stated that 520,000 Palestinians in the Gaza Strip (approximately 30% of its population) might have been displaced, of whom 485,000 needed emergency food assistance and 273,000 were taking shelter in 90 UN-run schools. The UN calculated that more than 7,000 homes for 10,000 families were razed, together with an additional 89,000 homes damaged, of which roughly 10,000 were severely affected by the bombing. Rebuilding costs were calculated to run from 4-6 billions dollars, over 20 years. In Israel, an estimated 5,000 to 8,000 citizens temporarily fled their homes due to the threat of rocketry from Gaza. The economic cost of the operation is estimated at NIS 8.5 billion (approximately 2.5 billion USD) and GDP loss of 0.4%. At the conclusion of hostilities 3,000-3,700 claims for damages had been submitted by Israelis, and $41 million paid out for property damage and missed work days. Reconstruction costs were estimated at approximately $11 million.

Read more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Israel%E2%80%93Gaza_conflict

[shira]

46. Israel's citizens were being bombarded by rockets - unlike American forces in Afghanistan....

....and yet, Israel''s civilian to combatant kill ratio was around 50%, which is lower than any other Western nation in recorded history. I know, you don't believe NATO forces could be worse than Israel.

But here's some reality...

Nearly 90 Percent Of People Killed In Recent Drone Strikes Were Not The Target
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/civilian-deaths-drone-strikes_561fafe2e4b028dd7ea6c4ff

U.S. drone strikes have killed scores of civilians in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia.

Try arguing that's not as bad.

Obama off to the Hague for being naughty? Netanyahu can't be accused of doing anything that bad but he deserves an arrest warrant - no one else does.

If Israel is worse than other western civilized nations, why are civilian casualty ratios worse for western nations at war? And this is given the fact Israel's citizens are under constant bombardment during these wars, which cannot be used to explain western operations recently.

[Shaktimaan]

61. what?

Unlike Israel, Nato doesn't have a policy of attacking hospitals.

I'm pretty sure Israel does not have a policy of attacking hospitals. But by all means link it up.
You might be confusing them for the Palestinians, who tend to exclusively target civilians.

[oberliner]

30. France has a notorious history of brutal occupation and colonialism

How can you not know this?

[Little Tich]

36. Riight, colonialism...

Do you have anything more current?

[ChairmanAgnostic]

31. no.

[oberliner]

33. France has one of the most notoriously brutal colonial histories of any country in the world

Their various occupations expand across several continents and have resulted in the murder and enslavement of hundreds of thousands of people over many decades.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

34. er, not when you compare them to the brits.

They were far worse, and they had a global reach for too long.

[Crunchy Frog]

38. They did in Algeria

into the 1960s. They did the whole colonization/settlements/expelling indiginous people from their lands sorts of things that Israel is notorious for. And they got loads and loads of terrorism as a consequence.

And if I had been around during that time, I would have had precious little sympathy for them.

[peacebird]

2. He's one of Netanyahu's best buds in congress, no surprise at all.

[grossproffit]

3. Jewish teacher just stabbed in Paris by ISIS supporters. Attackers on loose.

Jewish lives matter.

[Jefferson23]

4. Sign and send the petition: Democrats must support Syrian refugees

In the wake of terrorist attacks in Paris & Beirut, Republicans are attacking Syrian refugees who are flying the exact same terrorism in their country.

But even some Democrats are piling on. New York Sen. Charles Schumer—the incoming Democratic Senate leader—has said a “pause” on refugees might be necessary. And New Hampshire Gov. Maggie Hassan says the United States should halt new Syrian refugees.

If leading Democrats start echoing the fear-mongering and demanding that we refuse refugees, the political tide will get very ugly and remain so for a long-time.

Sign and send a petition to your Democratic U.S. Senator(s), urging them not to echo any right-wing fear-mongering, and instead to support President Obama's efforts to settle Syrian refugees in the United States.

http://campaigns.dailykos.com/p/dia/action3/common/public/?action_KEY=1668

[shira]

47. Where's the clamor to take in Palestinian refugees? n/t

[Jefferson23]

49. lol

[shira]

50. Exactly my point. n/t

[Jefferson23]

51. Your point was to rid Israel of Palestinians..that's what your suggestion was about. n/t

[shira]

53. There are 5 million Palestinian refugees. Where's the clamor to take them in? n/t

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

54. They should be allowed back into the shit-headed country

that made them refugees in the first place.

[6chars]

56. Maybe the countries of their birth could grant them citizenship

just to help out a little

[Jefferson23]

58. I beg your pardon, care to explain that? n/t

[6chars]

59. sure

From Wikipedia: The United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) defines a "Palestine refugee" as a person "whose normal place of residence was Mandatory Palestine between June 1946 and May 1948, who lost both their homes and means of livelihood as a result of the 1948 Arab-Israeli conflict". The patrilineal descendants of the original Palestine refugees "are also eligible for registration."

There are millions of such Palestinian refugees born and living in countries in the middle east who are not citizens in those countries and confined to refugee camps. These countries could offer them citizenship.

[Jefferson23]

60. Ok, I thought you were speaking of someting else..thanks for clarifying. n/t

[Jefferson23]

57. Ask the Israeli government. n/t

[azurnoir]

5. Schumer- It makes sense to strangle Gaza economically because .. they don't believe in the Torah

During one point of his speech, Schumer turned his attention to the situation in Gaza. He told the audience that the “Palestinian people still don’t believe in the Jewish state, in a two-state solution,” and also that “they don’t believe in the Torah, in David.” He went on to say “you have to force them to say Israel is here to stay.”

http://thinkprogress.org/security/2010/06/11/102026/schumer-strangle-gaza-economically/

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

8. How enlightened of Senator Schemer.

[leftynyc]

6. A Jewish teacher was just stabbed

in Marseilles.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141264061

We'll never know if what Sen Schumer is saying is true but it's an interesting concept. If we didn't have those hemming and hawing "well maybe they have a point", and each and every country had come down like hammers about terrorism not being acceptable for any reason, perhaps.

[shira]

7. Historically, what starts with the Jews never ends with the Jews....

It's deja vu all over again.

[6chars]

9. Shit, yeah.

He is right. Exactly right.

[leftynyc]

22. Yup

Jewish lives are cheap to far too many. Just look right here where there is zero compassion for this victim of a terrorist before the deflections begin. Nauseating.

[monicaangela]

11. It appears Netanyahu doesn't have clean hands either

A Spanish judge has issued arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and other former and current government officials for a deadly fight at sea in 2010. As long as the warrant is in effect, if Netanyahu and those officials set foot in the western European country, they could be detained and questioned.

The 2010 incident was a flotilla raid, in which a group of pro-Palestinian human rights activists attempted to disrupt an Israeli naval blockade of the Gaza Strip. Israeli naval forces were able to stop the flotilla, but when they boarded one of the activists’ ships, the Mavi Marmara, they were attacked by knives and clubs.

In an ensuing gun battle, nine activists died. Most of the deceased were part of a Turkish NGO, the IHH, that has alleged ties to the Muslim Brotherhood.

Recommended: Who is Spain's Judge Baltasar Garzón? Five key questions answered. http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2012/0209/Who-is-Spain-s-Judge-Baltasar-Garzon-Five-key-questions-answered/Why-is-Garzon-known-as-a-super-judge

In addition to Mr. Netanyahu, the implicated officials include former Foreign Minister Avigdor Liberman, former defense ministers Moshe Ya’alon and Ehud Barak, former Interior Minister Eli Yishai, former Intelligence Minister Dan Meridor, and Minister without Portfolio Bennie Begin.

The Israeli officials are largely dismissive of Spain’s warrants.

“It’s a provocation,” Foreign Ministry Emmanuel Nahshon told The Times of Israel on Tuesday. “The Israeli embassy in Madrid is in touch with Spanish General Prosecutor in order to close the file as promptly as possible.”

The Spanish case against Israel first emerged following the incident in 2010, when three Spaniards aboard the Mavi Marmara sued Netanyahu and his cohorts. Turkey and Britain also began prosecution against Israel, The Jerusalem Post reports, but both efforts have since been suspended.

In Spain, a judge in its National Court known as the Audiencia Nacional decided in 2010 the country no longer had the authority to file lawsuits regarding international incidents, despite its litigious track record in world affairs as a frontrunner in universal justice.

Referred to the International Criminal Court, an international tribunal established in The Hague in the Netherlands, the case was eventually dismissed.

That is, until Friday, when Spanish Judge Jose De La Mata found a legal loophole that gives Spanish authorities jurisdiction to reopen the case if any of the seven Israeli officials set foot in Spain.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Global-News/2015/1117/Spain-issues-arrest-warrant-for-Benjamin-Netanyahu

[Little Tich]

12. I hope he's alone in that assessment, because that was actually a moronic thing to say.

There's no link whatsoever between ISIL and terrorism in Israel. Here's a little primer on the subject that Chuck Schumer should have read before saying those silly things:

ISIL a distant threat for Israel
Source: Al Jazeera, 03 Oct 2014

Despite Israeli PM's rhetoric at UN this week, experts say ISIL fighters are not a formidable threat to the country.

Tel Aviv, Israel — Judging by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s speech at the United Nations earlier this week, one might think it is Israel, and not Syria or Iraq, that faces the greatest threat from the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL).

“Everywhere we look, militant Islam is on the march,” he warned, describing it as a “cancer.” At one point he deployed a Nazi reference: “The Nazis believed in a master race. The militant Islamists believe in a master faith,” he said. “They just disagree about who among them will be the master.”

The hardline group rampaging across eastern Syria and western Iraq was one of two major focal points in Netanyahu’s meeting with US President Barack Obama on Wednesday, according to advisers. Despite the rhetoric, though, analysts and security officials say Israel is actually not too concerned—yet—with ISIL. It is geographically distant, with most of its forces deployed hundreds of kilometers away from Israel’s vastly better-equipped army.

The CIA believes ISIL may have up to 30,000 fighters. But it has no airpower, and a motley collection of ground vehicles, some of which are now being blown up by a campaign of Western and Arab airstrikes. It is not a formidable threat, in other words, to one of the world’s most advanced armies.

Read more: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/10/isil-distant-threat-israel-2014103132011368904.html

[shira]

16. Terror is terror. Jews don't deserve it more than non-Jews. n/t

[grossproffit]

18. Some don't seem to see Jewish lives as meaning as much as others.

[shira]

20. There's always "context" & some reason to kill Jews. Going back thousands of years. n/t

[grossproffit]

21. And as expected. When all else fails, blame Israel.

[url]http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7358455[/url]

[shira]

23. Of course. Logically, people kill French kids on a Friday night, because Palestine. n/t

[BeyondGeography]

27. You are being childish

That post, which I wrote, was in response to a question of why my Middle Eastern friends were anti-American. I am not "blaming" Israel, simply stating a fact, which anyone with half a brain cell would acknowledge, that America's strong support of Israel, which I also endorse by the way, is one factor driving anti-American sentiment in the region.

Moreover, of all the reasons we are at war with ISIS, Israel really doesn't rate at all, IMHO. This is well stated above in another post that you are either choosing to ignore or too wound up to understand.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

32. bullshit. What really is happening is people are

getting tired of some Israelis demanding the right to kill ten should one of theirs be killed. Kind of biblical, but the odds are off.

What Israel is doing in Gaza and the West Bank are war crimes. We simply don't have an honest enough media in the US to state the truth.

With no insult intended to BLM, ALL lives matter, be they palestinian or israeli. Some folks here seem to ignore that studiously.

[shira]

39. Israelis aren't demanding the right to kill 10. Very imaginative though.

What Israel is doing in Gaza is defending their citizens.

Offended Westerners don't believe Israel has any right to defend its citizens in any conceivable way.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

40. tanks vs. stones.

Ripping out olive trees, preventing housing from being rebuilt, shooting unarmed kids, stealing land,

Your last sentence is simply nonsense. Laughable nonsense.

[shira]

41. Sure, right. Name something Israel is allowed to do to stop rockets....

...besides hope to God that Iron Dome does its job while its citizens hide in basements.

Remember, war crime allegations are bad & Israel wants to do the right thing and not kill any civilians whatsoever - so what can Israel do?

Waiting...

[6chars]

42. looks like you're still waiting for an answer

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

55. Israel is allowed to remove its illegal colonists.

[Little Tich]

25. That's not the issue here.

The issue is whether Schumer's connecting of ISIL with terrorism against Israel is even remotely accurate. It seems as if Schumer's carrying water for the Israeli racist right-wingers when he regurgitates their talking points that don't correspond with reality.

Surely, if there was a actual connection, it would be possible to prove it? All we have to go on right now is Schumer's own assertion.

[shira]

28. The connection is Jihadi extremism. Hamas hates their Jews...

....and wants them dead every bit as much as ISIS hates their Yazidis, Christians, and western infidels in Paris - and wants them beheaded.

Hatred & thuggery is the connection.

[grossproffit]

17. I don't do al jazeera.

[2naSalit]

52. Maybe

he should just resign his seat and move to Israel where they buy into that stuff.

[ericson00]

62. Damn proud of Chuck

and excited to re-elect him and Steve Israel together as my NY reps to Congress next year!