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No medical, pensions, or any other benefits. No public education. No secondary education. No police/fire coverage. No representation in the Knesset, no ability to vote for anyone for the Knesset. No ability to own a home/property. No ability to legally drive or work. Etc...
But they still pay taxes and are issued state ID as residents.
Apartheid.
In the "classic" sense.
And the topic of this forum is the Israel/Palestine conflict. And it's a fact that there's an apartheid style system in place in the West Bank.
But you could always just ask Scootaloo what they meant instead of trying to invent it for them 
as in the OP, which to me is more Middle East (Iran) than IP, but, hairs and all that. 
As for my response, it was tongue in cheek to the person I meant to address.
And when someone criticises an Israeli leader for their participation in apartheid, then they're correct in doing so because what Israel does in the West Bank is very reminiscent of apartheid. If Israel wasn't occupying the West Bank then bringing up apartheid would be incorrect, as there's no apartheid style system in Israel proper...
Shira, you made this comment in the post I replied to, as well as making some really ugly and untrue accusations about people who dare to criticise Israel in another thread. According to you apparently we're all a bunch of folk who hate Palestinians, especially if those Palestinians are women or gay. That's a really revolting and dishonest accusation to make and you need to apologise for it instead of just ignoring it and saying 'you prove my point!' That yr sitting here accusing me of being a homophobe and a misogynist is disgusting and so utterly dishonest...
Yet again, you have absolutely no comprehension as to what apartheid is. You've shown again and again back at DU2 that you aren't interested or can't understand what it actually entails, and operate from a simplistic starting point of accusing people of being bigots if they point out that there is an apartheid style system operating in the West Bank, and accuse them of being bigots if they don't agree with you that Palestinian refugees in other countries are living under an apartheid style system, even though you never explain how you define apartheid so that in one situation it's not apartheid and the other it is. To any onlooker it very much appears that a big part of the criteria is that if it's being done to Arabs by Israel it's not apartheid, and if Arabs are doing it, then it's apartheid...
on edit: Is there anything else you want to accuse me and other DUers of hating? I mean, seeing as how you claim yr not dealing with reality, you can really go to town on us all you want 
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.....example of it vs. Palestinians in Lebanon. That you cannot see it in Lebanon goes to show it's you who has no comprehension whatsoever of apartheid. Then again, maybe you see it but refuse to admit it. Maybe you can explain in your next post (not that I'm holding my breath waiting).
To be clear: Palestinian refugees, and especially their offspring, are denied citizenship in Lebanon, where they are forced to live in small designated areas, unable to buy or own land/property there, and denied work in over 70 professions.
If that's not apartheid, then what is?
Now WRT Israel, I gave reasons earlier as to why it's not apartheid...
1. Richard Goldstone calls it a slanderous charge. This is the very same S.African Judge you once admired and said was well deserving of a human rights award.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=124x295131#295137
2. Jimmy Carter used apartheid only as a predictor, not as a description. Without his book, the slanderous charge of apartheid wouldn't have gained as much traction.
3. Evidence was provided showing thousands of Israeli Arabs (many who self-identify as Palestinians) having just as much a right to purchase property and live in the settlements as Israeli Jews east of the green line. That thousands of Arabs have equal opportunities and rights, just as Israeli Jews have, goes to show how silly the apartheid label is.
4. And finally, you were shown how the vast majority of Palestinians viewed Israel's government (which you say practices apartheid against them in the W.Bank). They admire Israel's government more than any other on the planet, which is a very odd way of protesting against a government that practices apartheid. I doubt the vast majority of South Africans admired S.Africa's vile white government more than any other during the apartheid era. Same WRT Palestinians in Lebanon. Can you imagine the vast majority of either or both groups saying they admire those governments (along with their policies of course) more than any other government on the planet? I can't.
Your turn.
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