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Related: About this forumHaaretz Forum Removes Israeli Flag for Palestinian Official's Address
[quote]The organizers of the HaaretzQ with New Israel Fund conference in New York City removed the Israeli flag from the stage ahead of chief Palestinian Authority (PA) negotiator Saeb Erekats speech on Sunday, sparking harsh criticism.
Many participants called the decision was miserable and unfortunate. In an official statement, Haaretz said, Mr. Erekats team requested he not be made to speak next to the Israeli flag, and we honored his wishes.
Speaking with Army Radio on Monday, Haaretz Publisher Amos Schocken said, Haaretz doesnt hold conferences against the backdrop of the Israeli flag
.We did not place a Palestinian flag on the stage during Erekats speech. We had no intention of placing any flag on the stage. We placed it on stage at President [Reuven] Rivlins request, and removed it at Erekats request.
While on stage, Erekat insisted that the PA has recognized Israels existence and its right to peacefully exist within the 1967 lines. He accused Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of destroying the two-state solution and promoting apartheid.
Israeli Immigrant Absorption Minister Zeev Elkin (Likud) said the flag incident proves, yet again, that the problem we have with the Palestinian leadership is not a territorial dispute, but it lies with their inability to recognize a Jewish state within any lines.
Elkin said the incident disgraced Haaretz, which defines itself as an Israeli newspaper and is willing to champion any right except the right to place the Israeli flag on its stage.[/quote]
[url]https://www.algemeiner.com/2015/12/14/haaretz-forum-removes-israeli-flag-for-palestinian-officials-address/[/url]
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Doesn't like the Israeli flag when speaking at an Israeli newspaper event - too fucking bad. And this is the kind of nonsense Israel has to deal with every single fucking day.
Israeli
(4,151 posts)Author Mazal Mualem
Posted December 15, 2015
Yesh Atid Chairman Yair Lapid decided to begin his partys weekly faction meeting Dec. 14 with a focused attack on Israel's Haaretz newspaper. The paper had responded to a request by Saeb Erekat, a senior Palestinian official, to remove the Israeli flag from the stage when he addressed a conference it organized in New York City on Peace, democracy and social justice.
Lapid adopted a very strident tone, calling the papers acquiescence to the request the ultimate loss of any sense of national pride whatsoever by the radical left. Imagine the commotion if an Israeli spokesperson had asked for the Palestinian flag to be removed.
Lapids monologue, delivered as a statement to the press, joined a long series of condemnations in the best case, and real incitement in the worst case, against Israeli President Reuven Rivlin, who also addressed the conference.
Finding himself forced to apologize yet again for taking steps perceived as favoring the left, Rivlin explained that his opinions have not changed. He still aligns himself with the right.
I pay no attention to comments by them and others when I participate in the Haaretz conference. Im not attending a conference by Breaking the Silence. I came to a Haaretz conference. Haaretz is a newspaper that I have been reading for 70 years now, in order to better understand why my opinions are right yet at the same time, I think it is one of the newspapers most important to the survival of Israeli democracy, Rivlin said in response to the criticism.
Veteran Israeli journalists such as Ben Dror Yemini (Yedioth Ahronoth) and Dan Margalit (Yisrael Hayom) attacked Haaretz and Rivlin not only for the removal of the flag, but also for the presence of speakers from the leftist organization Breaking the Silence.
The moment Haaretz removed the flag says a lot about Haaretz, but also about Saeb Erekat. When it comes to the issue of Israel, it [the newspaper] isnt firm enough, said Margalit, explaining his position in an argument on Army Radio with Haaretzs publisher Amos Schocken.
Yemini aimed his criticism directly at the president. In an article published in Yedioth Ahronoth's print edition under the headline Red Flag, Yemini wrote, Not only did the organizers of the conference and the participants forgo the respect that they deserved, the president also chose to forgo his own self-respect, and the respect that we deserved too, by choosing to appear at the conference. According to Yemini, removing the flag was a milestone." He wrote, "It crossed a red line. It signified the surrender of Haaretz, willingly perhaps, to those who reject the very existence of a Jewish state.
Was what they did really that bad? It looks like Yemini, Margalit and Lapid got carried away.
The bottom line is that it is not at all clear why senior politicians and publicists came out against Haaretz. Logically, it makes absolute sense why Erekat, who serves as the secretary of the PLOs Steering Committee, would be unwilling to deliver a speech with the flag of Israel, a nation he considers an occupying state, right behind him. His demand was entirely legitimate. He didnt ask for the Palestinian flag to be placed behind him. What he wanted was reasonable.
Haaretz, which organized the conference together with the New Israel Fund, acted logically when it acquiesced to its guests request, particularly considering the newspaper is privately owned. In other words, the conference wasnt organized by an official institution.
Furthermore, as it turned out, the flag wasnt supposed to be on the stage in the first place. Schocken made this very clear to Army Radio. As he put it, Erekat asked to speak without the Israeli flag in the background, and the president asked to have the flag behind him. We granted both requests." He noted that had it been up to the organizers, the Israeli flag would not have been part of the set.
What was inappropriate here wasnt Erekats request or Haaretzs response. It certainly wasnt Rivlins decision to address the conference. It was the patriotism police, who have been turning every legitimate and reasonable event into a case of treason against the homeland, of falling off track and of ending the Zionist vision. This is the current mood, drawn from broad public sentiment and trickling down to the politicians and the mainstream media.
In fact, politicians on the right have made a whole career out of this. Culture Minister Miri Regev traveled the country during the primary season with an Israeli flag in her car, pulling it out at every election event. But while that is to be expected from the right, the same public sentiment has affected the chairman of centrist Yesh Atid, too. Lapid is waging a campaign of his own against the mainstream left, distancing himself from it as if it were infected. The reason for this is electoral. As someone who is already campaigning for prime minister, Lapid needs to win seats from the right and break up the existing party blocs. As such, his campaign includes ever-increasing religious content and plenty of patriotic statements.
Dailies such as Yedioth Ahronoth and certainly Yisrael Hayom are also connecting with this public sentiment, and particularly now, in the shadow of the current wave of terrorism. They want to put their patriotism on display.
The problem is that by doing so, the right, or in the case of Lapid, the center-right, are effectively excluding the Zionist left. Meretz, for example, has many members who serve in the Israel Defense Forces, some in the most elite units. While Haaretz may have a political agenda that's entrenched deeply in the left, it is still a Zionist newspaper. The events organizers respected the sentiments of their guest, who has never been suspected of loving Israel. Nevertheless, this accommodation does not make the newspaper the propaganda mouthpiece of the Palestinians or an enemy of Israel. It does not earn the newspaper a failing grade on its Zionism scorecard.
Anyone who thinks as much is preferring, for his or her own personal (and populist) reasons, to focus on a minor incident, rather than on the essence of the issue, which is where the Palestinian-Israeli conflict is really leading us.
Source: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/12/haaretz-conference-israeli-flag-president-rivlin-saed-erekat.html
shira
(30,109 posts)....against a Jewish State, and support for terror apologists & inciters like Erekat.
Israeli
(4,151 posts)...then they came for 972 .
Now its Haaretz .
King_David
(14,851 posts)Haaretz and 972 criticize Israel and are sometimes antiZionist, but never have a hate on for us American Jews.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/05/04/mondoweiss-is-a-hate-site/
http://www.tikkun.org/tikkundaily/2014/03/16/is-anti-semitism-dead/
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Mondoweiss is a vanity blog.
Israeli
(4,151 posts)...with regard to 972 .
Wasnt so long ago you were whining about them as much as you were about Mondoweiss.
I certainly do disagree with some of the opinion writers at 972mag sometimes - just as I do with some of the opinion writers at the NY Times or CNN or any other source. They also sometimes do some sloppy writing, which also can be off-putting. But I think they are a great source of information and opinion.
Mondoweiss, on the other hand, is a vile, disgusting, hateful blog ran by an absolutely detestable individual.
shira
(30,109 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Ha'aretz has a variety of opinion writers, some more serious than others.
In the case of Mondoweiss, though, we are talking about a vanity blog run by one particularly despicable and disturbed individual who has complete control over the content.
Totally different ballgame as far as I am concerned.