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grossproffit

(5,591 posts)
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 10:25 AM Dec 2015

Haaretz Forum Removes Israeli Flag for Palestinian Official's Address

[quote]The organizers of the “HaaretzQ with New Israel Fund” conference in New York City removed the Israeli flag from the stage ahead of chief Palestinian Authority (PA) negotiator Saeb Erekat’s speech on Sunday, sparking harsh criticism.

Many participants called the decision was “miserable” and “unfortunate.” In an official statement, Haaretz said, “Mr. Erekat’s team requested he not be made to speak next to the Israeli flag, and we honored his wishes.”

Speaking with Army Radio on Monday, Haaretz Publisher Amos Schocken said, “Haaretz doesn’t hold conferences against the backdrop of the Israeli flag….We did not place a Palestinian flag on the stage during Erekat’s speech. We had no intention of placing any flag on the stage. We placed it on stage at President [Reuven] Rivlin’s request, and removed it at Erekat’s request.”

While on stage, Erekat insisted that the PA “has recognized Israel’s existence and its right to peacefully exist within the 1967 lines.” He accused Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of “destroying the two-state solution and promoting apartheid.”

Israeli Immigrant Absorption Minister Zeev Elkin (Likud) said the flag incident “proves, yet again, that the problem we have with the Palestinian leadership is not a territorial dispute, but it lies with their inability to recognize a Jewish state within any lines.”

Elkin said the incident “disgraced Haaretz, which defines itself as an Israeli newspaper and is willing to champion any right — except the right to place the Israeli flag on its stage.”[/quote]

[url]https://www.algemeiner.com/2015/12/14/haaretz-forum-removes-israeli-flag-for-palestinian-officials-address/[/url]

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Haaretz Forum Removes Israeli Flag for Palestinian Official's Address (Original Post) grossproffit Dec 2015 OP
More petty bullshit leftynyc Dec 2015 #1
Israel's patriotism police Israeli Dec 2015 #2
It's not just the flag incident. Haaretz has a history of support for 1-state, BDS.... shira Dec 2015 #3
First they came for Mondoweiss.... Israeli Dec 2015 #4
Mondoweiss is bigoted and Jew hating ( American Jew) King_David Dec 2015 #5
Ha'aretz and 972mag are serious news and opinion sites oberliner Dec 2015 #6
That's a complete turnabout oberliner.... Israeli Dec 2015 #7
Not so oberliner Dec 2015 #8
Amira Hass, Gideon Levy, etc. are not serious. n/t shira Dec 2015 #9
They don't run Ha'aretz, though oberliner Dec 2015 #10
 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
1. More petty bullshit
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 10:30 AM
Dec 2015

Doesn't like the Israeli flag when speaking at an Israeli newspaper event - too fucking bad. And this is the kind of nonsense Israel has to deal with every single fucking day.

Israeli

(4,151 posts)
2. Israel's patriotism police
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 04:20 AM
Dec 2015
Summary: The Israeli right has been busy turning every reasonable action by the Zionist left into yet another instance of treason against the homeland.

Author Mazal Mualem
Posted December 15, 2015

Yesh Atid Chairman Yair Lapid decided to begin his party’s weekly faction meeting Dec. 14 with a focused attack on Israel's Haaretz newspaper. The paper had responded to a request by Saeb Erekat, a senior Palestinian official, to remove the Israeli flag from the stage when he addressed a conference it organized in New York City on “Peace, democracy and social justice.”

Lapid adopted a very strident tone, calling the paper’s acquiescence to the request “the ultimate loss of any sense of national pride whatsoever by the radical left. Imagine the commotion if an Israeli spokesperson had asked for the Palestinian flag to be removed.”

Lapid’s monologue, delivered as a statement to the press, joined a long series of condemnations in the best case, and real incitement in the worst case, against Israeli President Reuven Rivlin, who also addressed the conference.

Finding himself forced to apologize yet again for taking steps perceived as favoring the left, Rivlin explained that his opinions have not changed. He still aligns himself with the right.

“I pay no attention to comments by them and others when I participate in the Haaretz conference. I’m not attending a conference by Breaking the Silence. I came to a Haaretz conference. Haaretz is a newspaper that I have been reading for 70 years now, in order to better understand why my opinions are right … yet at the same time, I think it is one of the newspapers most important to the survival of Israeli democracy,” Rivlin said in response to the criticism.

Veteran Israeli journalists such as Ben Dror Yemini (Yedioth Ahronoth) and Dan Margalit (Yisrael Hayom) attacked Haaretz and Rivlin not only for the removal of the flag, but also for the presence of speakers from the leftist organization Breaking the Silence.

“The moment Haaretz removed the flag says a lot about Haaretz, but also about Saeb Erekat.… When it comes to the issue of Israel, it [the newspaper] isn’t firm enough,” said Margalit, explaining his position in an argument on Army Radio with Haaretz’s publisher Amos Schocken.

Yemini aimed his criticism directly at the president. In an article published in Yedioth Ahronoth's print edition under the headline “Red Flag,” Yemini wrote, “Not only did the organizers of the conference and the participants forgo the respect that they deserved, the president also chose to forgo his own self-respect, and the respect that we deserved too, by choosing to appear at the conference.” According to Yemini, removing the flag was “a milestone." He wrote, "It crossed a red line. It signified the surrender of Haaretz, willingly perhaps, to those who reject the very existence of a Jewish state.”

Was what they did really that bad? It looks like Yemini, Margalit and Lapid got carried away.

The bottom line is that it is not at all clear why senior politicians and publicists came out against Haaretz. Logically, it makes absolute sense why Erekat, who serves as the secretary of the PLO’s Steering Committee, would be unwilling to deliver a speech with the flag of Israel, a nation he considers an occupying state, right behind him. His demand was entirely legitimate. He didn’t ask for the Palestinian flag to be placed behind him. What he wanted was reasonable.

Haaretz, which organized the conference together with the New Israel Fund, acted logically when it acquiesced to its guest’s request, particularly considering the newspaper is privately owned. In other words, the conference wasn’t organized by an official institution.

Furthermore, as it turned out, the flag wasn’t supposed to be on the stage in the first place. Schocken made this very clear to Army Radio. As he put it, “Erekat asked to speak without the Israeli flag in the background, and the president asked to have the flag behind him. We granted both requests." He noted that had it been up to the organizers, the Israeli flag would not have been part of the set.

What was inappropriate here wasn’t Erekat’s request or Haaretz’s response. It certainly wasn’t Rivlin’s decision to address the conference. It was the “patriotism police,” who have been turning every legitimate and reasonable event into a case of treason against the homeland, of falling off track and of ending the Zionist vision. This is the current mood, drawn from broad public sentiment and trickling down to the politicians and the mainstream media.

In fact, politicians on the right have made a whole career out of this. Culture Minister Miri Regev traveled the country during the primary season with an Israeli flag in her car, pulling it out at every election event. But while that is to be expected from the right, the same public sentiment has affected the chairman of centrist Yesh Atid, too. Lapid is waging a campaign of his own against the mainstream left, distancing himself from it as if it were infected. The reason for this is electoral. As someone who is already campaigning for prime minister, Lapid needs to win seats from the right and break up the existing party blocs. As such, his campaign includes ever-increasing religious content and plenty of patriotic statements.

Dailies such as Yedioth Ahronoth and certainly Yisrael Hayom are also connecting with this public sentiment, and particularly now, in the shadow of the current wave of terrorism. They want to put their patriotism on display.

The problem is that by doing so, the right, or in the case of Lapid, the center-right, are effectively excluding the Zionist left. Meretz, for example, has many members who serve in the Israel Defense Forces, some in the most elite units. While Haaretz may have a political agenda that's entrenched deeply in the left, it is still a Zionist newspaper. The event’s organizers respected the sentiments of their guest, who has never been suspected of loving Israel. Nevertheless, this accommodation does not make the newspaper the propaganda mouthpiece of the Palestinians or an enemy of Israel. It does not earn the newspaper a failing grade on its Zionism scorecard.

Anyone who thinks as much is preferring, for his or her own personal (and populist) reasons, to focus on a minor incident, rather than on the essence of the issue, which is where the Palestinian-Israeli conflict is really leading us.


Source: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/12/haaretz-conference-israeli-flag-president-rivlin-saed-erekat.html
 

shira

(30,109 posts)
3. It's not just the flag incident. Haaretz has a history of support for 1-state, BDS....
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 07:39 AM
Dec 2015

....against a Jewish State, and support for terror apologists & inciters like Erekat.

Israeli

(4,151 posts)
7. That's a complete turnabout oberliner....
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 10:28 AM
Dec 2015

...with regard to 972 .

Wasnt so long ago you were whining about them as much as you were about Mondoweiss.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
8. Not so
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 10:52 AM
Dec 2015

I certainly do disagree with some of the opinion writers at 972mag sometimes - just as I do with some of the opinion writers at the NY Times or CNN or any other source. They also sometimes do some sloppy writing, which also can be off-putting. But I think they are a great source of information and opinion.

Mondoweiss, on the other hand, is a vile, disgusting, hateful blog ran by an absolutely detestable individual.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
10. They don't run Ha'aretz, though
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 10:02 AM
Dec 2015

Ha'aretz has a variety of opinion writers, some more serious than others.

In the case of Mondoweiss, though, we are talking about a vanity blog run by one particularly despicable and disturbed individual who has complete control over the content.

Totally different ballgame as far as I am concerned.

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