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Wed Dec 16, 2015, 10:38 PM

 

Netanyahu feels complete impunity because all US politicians need ‘support of Jewish community’

http://mondoweiss.net/2015/12/netanyahu-politicians-community

Let me start by saying something personal. For almost 40 years I was a member of the Israeli foreign service and not only my job but my passion was to build support for the state of Israel in every single shape or form, whether by convincing journalists, politicians… trying to influence people how to vote at the United Nations. That was what I did.

Today I am coming here to say that without foreign intervention, without pressure on Israel, nothing will move. It certainly is not easy for me to have made that change. And that change is necessary, it has been necessary to me. I love the country, I am Zionist, but I do not approve of the policies. So there is a difference between supporting Israel as a country and objecting to its policies. And it’s in the spirit that I would like to say what I think should be done.

And what I think should be done is to try to get through the bubble in which the Israelis live. It is not only Netanyahu or [Naftali] Bennett or [Uri] Ariel who are the drivers. For that you need the public. And I would say the public has swayed very much to the right. It is living in a kind of bubble where everything is possible. The prime minister is doing anything he can conceive or think because he thinks that this is being done with impunity. He has managed to convince the Israelis, not only that we do not have a partner but that the Arabs have always hated us, they always hate us… There’s no way in normal civility to ever have any kind of agreement with the Palestinians.

So what I think has to be done is a combination of things to reach the Israeli public. I do not think we can change the mind of Netanyahu. He is immune to criticism, he has brought relations with the United States to the point that we know, the lowest point. He objects from time to time to what the foreign minister of Sweden says, but he is really doing what he wishes because he thinks that nobody is going to punish him, because he thinks for instance that in America at the end of the day any politician will need the support of the Jewish community, so there is no real pressure of America on Israel.

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Original post)

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 05:42 AM

1. Philip Weiss is a disgusting bigot whose vanity blog should be banned here

 

This is his opening paragraph regarding the recent Ha'aretz conference:

On my way into the New Israel Fund Haaretz conference on the future of Israel Sunday morning I felt I had made a mistake in coming. The long security line was filled with American and Israeli Jews, some talking Hebrew, and I felt angry and duped that anyone would even undertake a discussion of this huge political question with a Jim Crow crowd. That American Jews could tell themselves that it was sufficient to gather Jews to the issue was (as always) infuriating. It would be like negotiating the future of the American South with a conference of white people. And at the same time, the monocultural crowd gave me confidence about my progressive community’s inevitability. If Jews must maintain a majority even in these conversations– well, Zionism really is self-defeating. I texted a friend, “I hate Zionism.”

He felt "angry and duped" and felt it was a mistake to attend the conference because the line of people was filled with American and Israeli Jews - some of them were even speaking Hebrew.

I once again would strongly encourage you to stop posting garbage from Mondoweiss and start focusing on legitimate news and opinion sites if you want to engage in serious conversation here.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 07:02 AM

2. Most people consider Mondoweiss a hate site

A bigoted petty vanity site that has recently supported Anne Coulter and recently supported Donald Trump.

All the while continually bashing and trashing both Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton.

Not surprisingly this trash , bigoted, hateful site is only posted here by one particular poster , and on a Democratic Party supporting website that would never support the bigotry against American Jews as displayed there on that site.

As an American Jew I think anyone posting this vile site should be considered complicit.


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Response to King_David (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:47 PM

78. Source for "most people"?

 

Wikipedia needs citations for such claims, you ought to at least have similar minimal standards.

Also, if the Bernie sticker is supposed to be your sig, might want to put it in the sig line Nice to see we have something we agree on though! I'd certainly welcome seeing your input in GD. C'mon over Dave, it's where all the good arguing is these days! You know ain't shit gonna change in I/P, it's just you same guys yelling the same things at each other. Come into the light, and yell different things at different people!

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #78)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:51 PM

98. Ha ha

Yes I'm tempted... But you know me ... I'm thin skinned ... Not like Scootalo... And I need less fighting not more... But yep I'll scout it out....

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Response to oberliner (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 07:09 AM

3. Weiss hates being around Jews. Classy.

 

He's made that clear many times, actually.

"The Hebrew sounds as bad in Miriam’s ear as German did back in the 50s, when people hated the Germans."

"Emily and I go out on West End Avenue, and a blonde mother goes by with two kids. I hear her talking Hebrew and I feel anger toward her. "

"she has an appointment with the legislative assistant to her congressman. His name sounds Jewish. I feel anger at him, and give her suggestions of what to say to the guy."

"A lot is going through my head. At the meeting, Jane said that one problem with our issue is that, Like it or not, it’s going to draw anti-Semites. They show up at lectures and talks. She’s right. I’ve met anti-Semites cloaked in their righteous criticism. I saw anti-Jewish hatred in Gaza, where they paint dustbins with the Star of David. I’ve felt that hatred of Israel myself. When you see the monstrosities of Gaza, you can’t help but feel hatred."


http://sadredearth.com/the-malice-of-mondoweiss/

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Response to shira (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 07:31 AM

5. He's angry and upset that a Ha'aretz conference in NYC would have so many Jews in attendance

 

This is a conference in New York City, about Israel, sponsored by an Israeli newspaper.

And he begins welling up with anger as he hears people there speaking in Hebrew and notices that there are so many Jews present.

This is a very sick and disturbed individual.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #5)

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 07:35 AM

6. That anger at anything Jewish is unfortunately popular on a liberal board like this one. n/t

 

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Response to oberliner (Reply #5)

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 08:35 AM

7. I am offended as an American Jew that anyone would post this hate against myself and my people. nt

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Response to King_David (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 08:23 PM

36. Your being offended seems like a full time position.

 

What aren't you offended at?

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Original post)

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 07:11 AM

4. More like posting from the Mondoweiss hate site -- with impunity. n/t

 

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Response to shira (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 10:21 AM

9. You're more than welcome to keep on posting from right wing sites,

 

like Arutz Sheva, and I will keep on posting from left wing progressive sites.

I'm not sorry it offends you, but perhaps you might want to consider that this is a Democratic/Progressive site.

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #9)

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 12:34 PM

21. You just posted yet another hateful OP from that vile rat's nest, Mondoweiss

 

That's not democratic or progressive.

And rather than acknowledge Phil Weiss' obvious hatred, you deflect and keep attacking so you can continue posting filth from that garbage dump of a website.

You want to deny or ignore the fact that what Phil Weiss wrote in the OP above is hateful antisemitic filth?

Who the hell would keep posting shit like that - about being upset by the presence of Jews, or being angry at hearing hebrew?

Of course you won't answer - you'll deflect again, attack with more bullshit - and keep posting from Mondoweiss --- only to then claim that's progressive & liberal.

Hell, you'll probably alert on this post and get it hidden. That's how it's worked in this forum before. It's fucking unreal and shameful that a post pointing out bigotry gets hidden and is portrayed as an attack.

***If this post gets alerted on, I want the jury to explain why dogshit articles like the Jew-hating ones from Mondoweiss are allowed here while advocating against such filth deserves a hide in a liberal forum. Riddle me that one please***

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Response to shira (Reply #21)

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 07:36 PM

32. The truth hurts those that don't want to hear it

 

and those that want to hide it from others.

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #32)

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 08:32 PM

37. So it's the truth if you take out the Jew-hating parts of the OP? n/t

 

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Response to shira (Reply #37)

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 10:06 PM

43. My poor, misguided human...

 

Criticism of Israel isn't anti-semitism or jew-hating; no matter how hard you fantasize it to be so.

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #43)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:20 AM

49. You agree with Weiss...fed up with all things Jewish? Upset/angry when surrounded by Jews...

 

Jews lie and cheat and don't recognize it as such.....Star of David should be a symbol of contempt from now on....Jews should acknowledge their role in bringing about the Holocaust.

So you agree with Weiss on that?

Be clear since it's all the "truth" and you post Weiss here constantly.


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Response to shira (Reply #49)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:01 AM

52. I don't agree with how you cherry pick in order to

 

play the victim.

What you poorly do, to attempt to stifle criticism of the apartheid state, is both dubious and sophomoric at best.

A child could see through your ruse.

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #52)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 12:46 PM

55. It's a bigoted pattern from Weiss. Is all that filth the "truth"? You agree with it?

 

What's the mattter?

Not up to defending Weiss? Not that anyone can defend that garbage.

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Response to shira (Reply #55)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:04 PM

57. I guess the more dubious see truth and call it filth.

 


Besides their ability to shovel mountains of fabrications the dubious have a penchant for always playing the victim in order to gain sympathy while victimizing others.

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #57)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 05:11 PM

61. So if his garbage against Jews is not filth - why don't you agree with Weiss? n/t

 

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #9)

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 06:47 PM

30. It is a Democratic site

Antisemitism is not progressive or Democratic. But, yet you choose to continually post articles from mondoweiss, which is a anti-Semite site.

And since you STILL have not answered this question, I will pose it again. Which members (name names please) do you feel would never vote for the Democratic party candidates?

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Response to sabbat hunter (Reply #30)

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 07:38 PM

33. I understand that some have a hard time

 

realizing that criticism of Israel isn't anti-Semitism, but they do go on some.

Laud, yes.

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #33)

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 09:22 PM

39. But Mondoweiss

goes FAR beyond that. Weiss is an antisemite.

And please answer my question from my previous post. You made the assertion, and I for one would love to hear the answer.

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Response to sabbat hunter (Reply #39)

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 10:08 PM

44. Opinions differ on Mondoweiss.

 

But please complain on.

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #44)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:51 AM

54. I ask again

who are the people here on DU that you believe would never vote for a Democratic party candidate?

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Response to shira (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 10:44 AM

10. The Chutzpah to call Mondoweiss a Democratic Party site

When Mondoweiss trashes Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders but praises Anne Coulter and Donald Trump.


In that poster's bizarro world it believes that Democratic Party principles are okay with that ? On that posters view homophobia is acceptable to the Democratic Party? Anti American Jewish sentiment is ok with the Democratic Party despite the fact we overwhelmingly support the Democratic Party?

I think that poster is on the wrong forum here on DU posting hate sites on a daily basis.....




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Response to shira (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 10:58 AM

11. here's a claim you made against Weiss

what's interesting is what you quote isn't in the article you link to, is that because the paragraph following it totally disproves what you're trying to claim? Below your comment is the entire thing

shira (27,420 posts)
52. Time for an update.....Phil Weiss can't stand Jews, again ---- Dec 16, 2015

On my way into the New Israel Fund Haaretz conference on the future of Israel Sunday morning I felt I had made a mistake in coming. The long security line was filled with American and Israeli Jews, some talking Hebrew, and I felt angry and duped that anyone would even undertake a discussion of this huge political question with a Jim Crow crowd. That American Jews could tell themselves that it was sufficient to gather Jews to the issue was (as always) infuriating. It would be like negotiating the future of the American South with a conference of white people. And at the same time, the monocultural crowd gave me confidence about my progressive community’s inevitability. If Jews must maintain a majority even in these conversations– well, Zionism really is self-defeating. I texted a friend, “I hate Zionism.”

http://mondoweiss.net/2015/12/netanyahu-politicians-community


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=121991

On my way into the New Israel Fund Haaretz conference on the future of Israel Sunday morning I felt I had made a mistake in coming. The long security line was filled with American and Israeli Jews, some talking Hebrew, and I felt angry and duped that anyone would even undertake a discussion of this huge political question with a Jim Crow crowd. That American Jews could tell themselves that it was sufficient to gather Jews to the issue was (as always) infuriating. It would be like negotiating the future of the American South with a conference of white people. And at the same time, the monocultural crowd gave me confidence about my progressive community’s inevitability. If Jews must maintain a majority even in these conversations– well, Zionism really is self-defeating. I texted a friend, “I hate Zionism.”

By the end of the day I felt much different. There was a distinct minority of Palestinian voices at the conference, but they were the most powerful voices. They were not token, they had a platform; they came on strong in the afternoon, and audiences listened to them rapt. Ayman Odeh the member of the Israeli Knesset who is head of the Joint List was saluted like a rock star at the end of his speech calling for a shared future of equal rights. (Watch the crowd leap to its feet at 4:50 below)


- See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/12/palestinians-afternoon-conference#sthash.ZWb4CiHM.dpuf

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #11)

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 11:06 AM

12. There's only 2 posters on this site defending the American Jew hating bigoted Mondoweiss

One posts his crap and the other defends it...

Yet it's the Jewish posters here that are offended and the targets of the hate ....and not the 2 posters that are going to bat for the Mondoweiss.

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Response to King_David (Reply #12)

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 11:20 AM

13. again you make assumptions about certain posters here

ones that have a decided 'no true Scotsman' ring to them, fascinating really

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #13)

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 11:34 AM

14. Oh yea?

My assumptions are correct...
Or go ahead and correct them please.

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Response to King_David (Reply #14)

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 11:46 AM

16. what proof do you have of being correct? go ahead and post it up

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #16)

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 11:49 AM

18. LOL

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Response to King_David (Reply #18)

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 07:46 PM

34. Fail..

 

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #13)

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 11:45 AM

15. I have no clue what you even mean by that phrase in this context...

I suspect you're using it incorrectly as I've seen you use it before in multiple different contexts.

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Response to King_David (Reply #15)

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 11:47 AM

17. No I've used it in the same context people making assumptions about the backgrounds of certain DUers

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #17)

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 11:51 AM

19. It's not an assumption,

I've been here long enough to remember people talking about their backgrounds .

And I am young enough to have a super fantastic memory.

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Response to King_David (Reply #19)

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 04:03 PM

24. post it up then

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #24)

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 04:53 PM

26. No need

If you are saying I am wrong , well correct the record and I will take your word for it.

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Response to King_David (Reply #26)

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 05:45 PM

27. you're demanding I reveal my personal info

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Original post)

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 09:45 AM

8. How to tell when Mondoweiss hits it out of the park...

 

Amateur hasbarist heads explode.

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #8)

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 12:28 PM

20. Nope - anti-racists can't get past the Jew hatred of Phil Weiss. It's in your OP above....

 

You think Phil Weiss hit it out of the park by being angry and upset when around Jews, hearing hebrew, etc?

Seriously?

Because that's fucked up.

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Response to shira (Reply #20)

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 01:59 PM

22. Strangely the Jewish Americans are taking offense in this group

and there's 2 posters here defending this hateful crap targeting us American Jews.

Can you imagine any other group being targeted by hate and having such a thing posted and also defended. And on a Democratic Party supporting website too......(The party that has a Jewish American candidate)

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Response to King_David (Reply #22)

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 04:17 PM

25. To some truth = hate.

 

Poor them.

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Response to King_David (Reply #22)

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 06:25 PM

28. They're not defending it, notice that? They can't. n/t

 


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Response to shira (Reply #28)

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 09:47 PM

41. There is one poster defending this crap

And another one who posted it and is all over the place thinking bigotry against Jews is funny....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=122034

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Response to King_David (Reply #41)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:31 AM

51. No, that's not defending - it's deflecting & making light of bigotry. n/t

 

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Response to shira (Reply #51)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:28 AM

53. All over the place making light of bigotry...

As long as the bigotry is not directed to a person themselves and some other group , hey it's okay it seems.

The same kind of bullying I have seen for years from some straight people who try and tell us Gays that something is not homophobic.

All this taking place on DU , a Democratic Party supporting site.

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Response to King_David (Reply #53)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 12:47 PM

56. I'd like to see them try that shit with any other ethnic group or race. n/t

 

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Response to King_David (Reply #41)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:21 PM

58. That's odd, dave. The bigotry that Isee in I/P comes

 

from team hasbara.

There is one poster in I/P that has regularly been suspended over the years for over the top bigotry and hatred of others...especially Palestinians.

There is one other who was suspended at least once for the same conduct.

But even after that they keep coming back with the same discredited crap: hoping, I guess, that somebody will believe their sorry song and dance this time.

Now I hope those two players can find a way to grow up and stop with their failed rhetoric.

Now, I can at least say that the two posters that you have mentioned AFAIK have never been suspended. One is even a trusted member here.

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Response to King_David (Reply #59)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:39 PM

60. Why not just say "I'm rubber, you're glue?"

 


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Response to shira (Reply #20)

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 02:39 PM

23. It must really stick in your craw that Israelis...Jews

 

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criticize Israel all the time for its human rights disaster. It must also chap your backside that they are right.

And that's your problem. You see this criticism as hate.

And that's fucked up.

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #23)

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 06:26 PM

29. So you agree w/ Phil Weiss' OP that the sight of Jews or sound of hebrew......

 

.....can legitimately make progressives angry and upset?

Or will you deflect again? Ignore it?

Pretend there isn't anything wrong with Weiss' obvious hatred of anything Jewish?

So you can post more of the same later.

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Response to shira (Reply #29)

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 08:02 PM

35. Let's put Weiss's comments into context mmmmkay?

he was talking about an I/P conference, ya know the one Ha'aretz removed the Israeli flag for here is the entire thing

On my way into the New Israel Fund Haaretz conference on the future of Israel Sunday morning I felt I had made a mistake in coming. The long security line was filled with American and Israeli Jews, some talking Hebrew, and I felt angry and duped that anyone would even undertake a discussion of this huge political question with a Jim Crow crowd. That American Jews could tell themselves that it was sufficient to gather Jews to the issue was (as always) infuriating. It would be like negotiating the future of the American South with a conference of white people. And at the same time, the monocultural crowd gave me confidence about my progressive community’s inevitability. If Jews must maintain a majority even in these conversations– well, Zionism really is self-defeating. I texted a friend, “I hate Zionism.”

By the end of the day I felt much different. There was a distinct minority of Palestinian voices at the conference, but they were the most powerful voices. They were not token, they had a platform; they came on strong in the afternoon, and audiences listened to them rapt. Ayman Odeh the member of the Israeli Knesset who is head of the Joint List was saluted like a rock star at the end of his speech calling for a shared future of equal rights. (Watch the crowd leap to its feet at 4:50 below)



- See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/12/palestinians-afternoon-conference#sthash.ZWb4CiHM.dpuf

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #35)

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 08:32 PM

38. So what? He was glad there were some Palestinians there.

 

That doesn't take away from the fact he was disgusted by the mere presence of Jews there speaking hebrew.

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Response to shira (Reply #38)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:39 PM

76. No he was disgusted by what he thought was going to be another one sided forum on the I/P issue

as it turned out it was n't that way

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #76)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:57 PM

79. Weiss has made it clear before he doesn't like hearing hebrew, even in America.

 

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Response to shira (Reply #79)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:05 PM

81. are you promoting yet another Rightwing blog? it is nothing but a tiny unreadable screen shot of

what has already been posted

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #81)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:15 PM

82. Nope. And that filth is a screenshot from Mondoweiss demonstrating their hatred.

 

The blog is run by a liberal native American.

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Response to shira (Reply #82)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:18 PM

83. why post what you admit is already here from another source unless it is to promote that source

that could almost be called spamming

shira
82. Nope. And that filth is a screenshot from Mondoweiss demonstrating their hatred. n/t


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=122192

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #83)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:20 PM

84. Weiss took that blog post down since it was a bit too nasty. So that's the screenshot. n/t

 

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Response to shira (Reply #84)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:22 PM

85. No he didn't it's still there

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #85)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:33 PM

86. Link? n/t

 

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Response to shira (Reply #86)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:34 PM

87. so you admit it's not this oP right?

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #87)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:38 PM

88. I'm asking you for the link to the nasty blog post Weiss put up in 2009 & then hid.

 

Still waiting.

It's not there, and that's why I posted a link to a screen shot of that post.

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Response to shira (Reply #88)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:39 PM

89. it wasn't in 2009 so why are making these claims?

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #89)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:39 PM

90. What are you going on about? Be clear. n/t

 

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Response to shira (Reply #90)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:44 PM

91. ........

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #91)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:52 PM

92. You claim Weiss isn't hateful for getting upset about seeing & hearing Jews speak hebrew

 

I pointed to another blog post of his (from 2009 that he hid due to its nastiness) which stated the same damned thing, but this time WRT Jews in NYC speaking hebrew. He couldn't stand hearing hebrew in either place.

Showing once again Weiss' bigotry.

You know, the same old bigotry from Mondoweiss about being fed up with all things Jewish.

That kinda hate.

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Response to shira (Reply #92)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:05 PM

93. so you post something on Schlomo Sand from 2014?

Is Sand on your bad Jews list too along with Weiss, Gideon Levy, Amira Hass, Uri Avnery, Ilan Pappe, Avi Schlaim..........

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #93)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:12 PM

94. That MW posting wasn't from Sand, but longtime MW contributer Marc Ellis.

 

You tried to defend Weiss, but there's an ongoing history of hatred at MW. Good luck trying to defend all that.

I give you credit, though. You're at least trying - your fellow fans of Mondoweiss here won't even attempt to defend Phil Weiss and his sewer of a hate site.

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Response to shira (Reply #94)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:14 PM

95. It concerned Schlomo Sand

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #89)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:10 PM

100. That screenshot was in 2009

And it's racist bigoted first class antisemitic crap from the pen of the POS bigot Weiss.

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Response to shira (Reply #79)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:08 PM

99. What a disgrace.

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Response to King_David (Reply #99)

Sun Dec 20, 2015, 12:11 PM

103. It's disgraceful anti-Zionists don't give a shit about anti-Semitism. Notice that?

 

It's always made light of, ignored, denied. Whenever it's brought up, they never miss an opportunity to denigrate Jews even more - with the insinuation being that we're nasty for pulling out that "card". That Jews don't know what anti-Semitism really is. They know better.

Tells you all you need to know about the anti-Zionist movement.

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #35)

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 09:54 PM

42. What he said about us American Jews was fucking hate

I was offended ...

As a Jew I know hate when I see it directed at myself...

Tell us , what makes you an arbiter in this situation? What gives you the credentials to brush off hate against American Jews or even to tell that group what is or is not hate.

When straight people tell me that somethings not homophobic when I think it is I tell them to F--- off.

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Response to King_David (Reply #42)

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 10:15 PM

45. I guess that azurnoir has as much right to share

 

a point of view as you do.

Right?

You have an opinion. Nothing more.

Deal with others.

As a Jew I know hate when I see it directed at myself


Perhaps it has nothing to do with your ethnicity. Perhaps people just don't like you?

You tend to give off a negative vibe. Perhaps that's it?

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #45)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 06:46 AM

46. The results....


On Fri Dec 18, 2015, 06:22 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

I guess that azurnoir has as much right to share
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=122071

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

There is nothing worse than someone making light of bigotry, even the personal attack within.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Dec 18, 2015, 06:41 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: There was not so much wrong with the post as there was with the direction it was going. We did not need to go there.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I see nothing offensive. The alert is ridiculous.

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Response to King_David (Reply #47)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:52 AM

48. I'm sorry some dubious troll felt the need to alert on me, dave,

 

but I believe that my comments still stand.

I believe that juror #7 sums it up.

Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I see nothing offensive. The alert is ridiculous.


But I guess that I should wish that Troll a very special Christmas wish.

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Original post)

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 09:23 PM

40. Interesting OP.

It's good to see that there are some Israelis who are genuinely concerned about Netanyahu and his policies. Colette Avital is one of the good guys.

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Response to Little Tich (Reply #40)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:25 AM

50. Is the racism within the OP interesting?

 

It's still Phil Weiss' thoughts, but I replace Jews with Muslims, Israel and Zionism with Palestine, etc. Let's see how interesting this is to you...

On my way into the New Palestine Fund Ma'an conference on the future of Palestine Sunday morning I felt I had made a mistake in coming. The long security line was filled with American and Palestinian Muslims, some talking Arabic, and I felt angry and duped that anyone would even undertake a discussion of this huge political question with a Jim Crow crowd. That American Muslims could tell themselves that it was sufficient to gather Muslims to the issue was (as always) infuriating. It would be like negotiating the future of the American South with a conference of white people. And at the same time, the monocultural crowd gave me confidence about my progressive community’s inevitability. If Muslims must maintain a majority even in these conversations– well, Palestinian nationalism is really is self-defeating. I texted a friend, “I hate the concept of a Palestinian state.”


What do you think now?

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Response to shira (Reply #50)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:03 AM

62. That's not even in the OP, it's from another MW article.

Nevertheless, the passage you're referring to is trying to express disappointment about seeing that support for Israel goes along ethnic lines, and not ethical ones. It's not an expression of racism.

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Response to Little Tich (Reply #62)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:13 AM

63. Yep, another MW hate article. If Islamophobic, you'd easily see it. Like I asked you before....

 

Do you get angry & upset when you're surrounded by Muslims, since they're all Jim Crow racists?

Perhaps you're bothered when you hear or see Muslim sounding names. And you're fed up with all things Muslim, asking yourself frequently if there is a difference between Muslims & Nazis.

Maybe you think Muslims lie and cheat and don't recognize it as such. That Muslims need to understand their role in bringing on the Iraq, Syrian, and Afghanistan invasions. And that the crescent moon should be an object of contempt from now on.

That's MW in a nutshell - but against Jews. The degenerates at Mondoweiss support and defend Hamas "resistance" when they target and kill Jewish people deliberately - which is so obviously neo-Nazi, it needs no explanation. No different than the Holocaust denying Gilad Atzmon's understanding why folks would want to torch syngagogues. Now imagine someone on this board attempting to defend racists who support torching Mosques and murdering innocent Muslims. See what I mean? Never in a million years would you give the benefit of the doubt to someone spewing that filth on this board.

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Response to shira (Reply #63)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:39 AM

64. You're merely expressing an opinion.

You can't stop people from posting MW articles in this forum without tangible proof that MW is anti-Semitic. I like MW myself because they are good at serious introspection and pick up things I wouldn't know of otherwise. I'm not posting OP's from MW, but that's mainly because I prefer to post from news sites.

I've noticed there is a certain amount of animosity towards the poster of this OP. I hope he/she doesn't crack, because then I would have to post OP's from MW.

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Response to Little Tich (Reply #64)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:51 AM

65. There's no animosity toward any poster because he/she is posting Mondoweiss.

If however a poster has inadvertently found him or herself in a Democratic Party supporting website even though the poster carries extreme right wing views , bullies posters only because of their sexual orientation and supports a right wing social agenda ..... There would be animosity against such a poster.

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Response to King_David (Reply #65)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 10:57 AM

67. I think that the opinions expressed by that particular poster are within the range of the Democratic

values expressed on DU.

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Response to Little Tich (Reply #67)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:09 AM

68. I'm wondering what opinions would have to be expressed by anyone, including Mondoweiss....

 

....for you to conclude that those opinions are not only racist, but that the ones expressing those opinions are racists themselves.

What's your criteria? Maybe rattle off 3-5 things...

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Response to shira (Reply #68)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:20 PM

73. I define anti-Semitism as "Antipathy towards Jews".

That should be easy to understand, but thanks to human ingenuity it isn't. There are many ways to disguise anti-Semitism as something else.

I don't think it's possible to define criteria for anti-Semitism from what it looks like, because that's not how anti-Semitism should be defined IMHO. For me it's all about intent - if you don't like Jews and express that, even indirectly, then you're an anti-Semite expressing anti-Semitic views.

But the crux is that you have to be an actual anti-Semite to be an anti-Semite. If you have no feelings of antipathy towards Jews, you're not an anti-Semite.

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Response to Little Tich (Reply #73)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:35 PM

75. How do you judge feelings of antipathy? What do you look for? n/t

 

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Response to Little Tich (Reply #67)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:30 AM

69. Not .

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Response to King_David (Reply #69)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:45 AM

70. Well, dave, some posters patently lie about other

 

posters being anti-semites, being republicans, and being homophobes without any proof.

But then the same posters, that make these false accusations, go on to post OPs that applaud right wing sources: like those who hate the LGBTQ community...or even Shock Jocks that call for Palestinian deaths.

Perhaps they are the real bigots here and should be outed for it?

On edit: probably a goog idea to delete that post.

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Response to Little Tich (Reply #64)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:54 AM

66. "...without tangible proof that MW is anti-Semitic." No - it was just proven & you punted.

 

Last edited Sat Dec 19, 2015, 10:30 AM - Edit history (1)

You won't even try to defend their hate - and that's obvious to anyone paying attention here as you won't touch what they have written about Jews with a 10-foot pole.

If Mondoweiss were to direct that very same vitriol at Muslims, it would take you less than a second to conclude the degenerates at MW are fascist Islamophobic racists.

Full stop.

Why the double-standard when it comes to racism?

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Response to shira (Reply #66)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:52 AM

71. Perhaps in your fevered imagination it was proven.

 

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #71)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:34 PM

74. It was proven. All your lame attempts to deflect from that bigotry are on full display. n/t

 

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Response to shira (Reply #74)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:41 PM

77. No it was not proven. Stomping your feet does not make it so

 

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #77)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:59 PM

80. Sure it was. And you're still deflecting from the bigotry of MW. It's so bad....

 

.....that you don't even want to discuss the possibility that anything coming from MW is anti-Semitic.

You just keep attacking and posting their vile shit, trying to deflect from the fact that a lot of their content is vile.



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Response to shira (Reply #80)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:19 PM

96. Keep on stomping your feet. TY for the kick.

 

Abd I'll keep on posting the truth.



RDO

BDS

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #96)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:49 PM

97. Posting Jew hating filth from the Mondoweiss sewer is not truth.

 

It's so bad you don't even attempt to defend the garbage you post from that vile rat's nest.

What's next? Posting "truth" from Rense, IfAmericansKnew, and Stormfront....

Only to then post more from those sites while pretending nothing's wrong?

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Response to shira (Reply #97)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:02 PM

102. If you keep on clutching at those pears so

 

you're going to ruin the thread.

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:20 PM

101. Netanyahu is completely aware

-- and far too involved with -- U.S. political currents.

(Netanyahu) broke with Obama, first in a private phone call Jan. 12, and then in his public acceptance of an offer by GOP House Speaker John Boehner to address Congress on March 3 and, in effect, lobby against the deal.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-netanyahu-broke-publicly-with-obama-over-iran/2015/02/19/4ea794f6-b885-11e4-a200-c008a01a6692_story.html


While Netanyahu's defiance is not surprising, given the fetid whiff of collusion with Mitt Romney during the 2012 presidential campaign, it has not been successful in significantly changing the terms of the Iran accord. And Netanyahu world-wide remains one of the least popular political figures in modern history.

And properly so.

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