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shira

(30,109 posts)
Sat May 14, 2016, 09:01 AM May 2016

Who’s Really Driving “Grassroots” Anti-Israel Activism (BDS) in America?

To the surprise of no one...

Congressional testimony ties anti-Israel groups in America to Islamist terrorism and racism

By Max Samarov and Philippe Assouline

“Israelis have to be bombed… it is wrong to maintain the State of Israel. It is an illegitimate creation” — Taher Herzallah, American Muslims for Palestine National Campus Coordinator


On April 19th Jonathan Schanzer, a former US Treasury Department official, testified in Congress regarding the activities of the anti-Israel boycott movement (BDS) in the United States. In his remarks, he revealed shocking details about how a number of former leaders of organizations with close ties to terrorism, “have pivoted to leadership positions within the American BDS campaign.” In particular, he established clear links between the terrorist organization Hamas and leaders of American Muslims for Palestine (AMP) — a politico-religious lobby group which boasts of being “the driving force behind activism for Palestine” in the US. But Schanzer’s testimony revealed only the tip of the iceberg. At the core of this story is not only the shadowy network of religious supremacists behind AMP, but a manipulative campaign to incite hatred among the future leaders of American society.

One of the most prominent faces of BDS in America is Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP) — a self-titled “grassroots, human rights organization” with branches at dozens of US campuses. But while it claims to be “resisting racism,” SJP’s 2014 national conference featured a keynote speaker infamous for defending public calls to “shoot the Jew!” This discrepancy between SJP’s stated principles and its conduct is no exception: funded and closely guided by AMP and other political interest groups, SJP systematically exploits the language of social justice to promote a bigoted agenda.

In private SJP denies Israel’s right to exist, while in public they claim to support justice and peace. SJP’s ties to AMP run deep, and SJP itself has admitted that, “NGO employees are in powerful positions,” within their movement. AMP chairman and Berkeley professor Hatem Bazian co-founded SJP in 2000 and is credited with “help[ing] to construct [the] successful narrative SJP has produced over the years” (in fact, AMP supplies the infamous “wall” that SJP displays on campuses). AMP organized the first SJP national conference in 2010, and has funded the group’s national conferences ever since. AMP’s own conferences include a “Campus Track” with sessions on “How To Start an SJP”....

Perhaps unsurprisingly, SJP and AMP both routinely exploit liberal language to push an illiberal agenda. AMP invokes “American values” in press releases while at the same time hosting Mads Gilbert, who defended Al Qaeda’s 9/11 attacks, as a keynote speaker. Despite its embrace of sexists and homophobes, AMP had no qualms sponsoring an SJP event at UCLA titled “Feminism and Queer Activism for Justice in Palestine.” SJP claims to support nonviolence, but invited Islamic Jihad spokesperson Khader Adnan — previously caught on film inciting suicide bombings — to address its 2012 national conference. While SJP tries to co-opt Armenian student groups, its sponsor AMP recently signed a statement denying the Armenian Genocide. On the one hand, SJP devotes much of its activism to generating “solidarity” with black Americans. On the other hand it ignores reports that Hamas profits from the human trafficking of black people in the Sinai Desert. Far from condemning Hamas, numerous SJP leaders have publicly supported the racist terrorist group....

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Who’s Really Driving “Grassroots” Anti-Israel Activism (BDS) in America? (Original Post) shira May 2016 OP
Oh puhleese, BDS protests are not "terrorism", so just stop this nonsence. procon May 2016 #1
BDS org have been shown to be Jew hating bigots King_David May 2016 #2
Don't use outliers to tar everyone else with ugly hate and prejudices. procon May 2016 #4
Just know what company you keep.. King_David May 2016 #5
I'm more concerned with the injustices done to the Palestinian people procon May 2016 #7
Nope King_David May 2016 #8
In summary, it comes down to the BDS side supporting backwardness... shira May 2016 #11
That's bullshit. I can prove w/o question u don't care about injustices to Palestinians.... shira May 2016 #10
So you're now saying that Isreal miitary occupation and subjugation of a whole country procon May 2016 #12
Straw man, never said that. I questioned your bullshit claim of being concerned.... shira May 2016 #13
You keep moving the goalposts. procon May 2016 #14
Shira's not moving any goalposts leftynyc May 2016 #37
Thanks for your thoughtful comment. procon May 2016 #44
Still going on about the oppressed Palestinians? Who do you think you're fooling? shira May 2016 #45
Obama has a political agenda to consider. procon May 2016 #47
That you don't see the irony leftynyc May 2016 #46
Israel remains the oppressor. procon May 2016 #48
They can't stop leftynyc May 2016 #49
That's pretty much what I've suspected for quite some time now. procon May 2016 #50
If you want Palestinian suffering to end with their own state.... shira May 2016 #53
Nice try leftynyc May 2016 #54
No state would ever agree to what you've described. procon May 2016 #55
Yawn leftynyc May 2016 #56
You boycott products from Israel itself? oberliner May 2016 #15
IOW, you want to ignore and deny the fact that BDS is directly connected w/ terror groups. shira May 2016 #3
I have difficulty in believing that your listed sources are completely unbiased. procon May 2016 #6
Yep, Zionists lie. That's your defense and it's pathetic. n/t shira May 2016 #9
I think you should read this in full procon..... Israeli May 2016 #22
"official punishments for pro-Palestinian students are now routine" on US college campuses? oberliner May 2016 #23
Jew haters on campus playing the victim. Sick bastards. n/t shira May 2016 #33
anti-Israelism is a cancer on progressivism ericson00 May 2016 #16
AntiZionism is a new word.... The past incarnation of the same philosophy was called something else King_David May 2016 #17
that is true, tho using the term "anti-Zionism" legitimizes the ideas that ericson00 May 2016 #18
I'm against Zionism, but I'm not anti-Israel. Little Tich May 2016 #36
No. It is an inherent part of Progressivism. aranthus May 2016 #32
And support an leftynyc May 2016 #38
You definitely misread that post or are responding to the wrong person. n/t shira May 2016 #39
You're right leftynyc May 2016 #42
Sorry, I did answer to the wrong person leftynyc May 2016 #41
Not a problem. aranthus May 2016 #51
Why do those 'concerned students' always target Israel? Why not try Iran or Saudi Arabia? Albertoo May 2016 #19
It's not that they just target Israel for bad stuff & not others. They lie & distort.... shira May 2016 #20
Wow, that OP contains a lot of unsupported allegations... Little Tich May 2016 #21
Only like one flavor of Kool-Aid, it seems oberliner May 2016 #24
Nah, Medea Benjamin isn't my flavour, my favorite flavor is Gideon Levy. n/t Little Tich May 2016 #25
Gideon Levy is a liar, propagandist and inciter of terror..... shira May 2016 #27
Do you have a favorite Kool-Aid flavor? Little Tich May 2016 #34
Gotta think on that one.... shira May 2016 #43
Ben Dror Yemini - Ughh... Little Tich May 2016 #57
So find something objectionable and I will shira May 2016 #59
They are the same flavor oberliner May 2016 #30
Let's test that out. Name one for starters..... n/t shira May 2016 #26
There's so much Hasbara in the OP that I barely can see the difference between one turd and another. Little Tich May 2016 #35
The OP looks solid to me. Let's start with AMP links to SJP. shira May 2016 #40
I don't know. Little Tich May 2016 #58
All the companies owned by my family support BDS... yourpaljoey May 2016 #28
Soon your families companies will lose a lot of US investment King_David May 2016 #29
Like which companies? oberliner May 2016 #31
Their actions against the palestinian people. onecaliberal May 2016 #52

procon

(15,805 posts)
1. Oh puhleese, BDS protests are not "terrorism", so just stop this nonsence.
Sat May 14, 2016, 10:09 AM
May 2016

Accusing one’s adversaries of one’s own sins is an old propaganda trick, but people criticise Israel, and a lot of other offensive state actors, because their governments do bad, inhuman, stupid, evil shit. Israel is not immune to censure and denunciation because their policies of occupation, discrimination and destruction, are the antithesis of civil societies around the world. Israel has justly earned their worldwide condemnation for persisting in the apartheid practice of state sponsored racism and ethnic oppression against the Palestinians..

Looking at the article you linked to, there is no corroboration to validate any of the allegations made by the pro-Israel writers, which seems intent on trying to tar BDS supporters in America as terrorists. The article tries to portray American students who lobby their universities to divest from Israel as terrorists. In their fanaticism, they make a lot of unsourced conjectures and unsubstantiated claimed to manufacture another hackneyed attempt to build a case for their confirmation bias against Americans, and the people of Palestine trapped under Israel's oppressive military occupation.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
2. BDS org have been shown to be Jew hating bigots
Sat May 14, 2016, 10:26 AM
May 2016

It is YOU who should just stop the nonsense

BDS org left a severed pigs head in A Jewish kosher supermarket in South Africa.
They tried to ban an American Jew from performing at a reggae festival but had no problems allowing a gay hating bigoted homophobic filth to perform at the same event.

BDS org are Jew hating and quite often Gay hating filth.

The boycott should be against Gay hating hate entities such as the Palestinian statelets, Uganda , Iran and Islamic State.

procon

(15,805 posts)
4. Don't use outliers to tar everyone else with ugly hate and prejudices.
Sat May 14, 2016, 10:57 AM
May 2016

I support BDS. I try to be aware when I shop and avoid, or at least minimize, purchasing products from companies that are tied to groups that are outrageously inhumane, bigoted and discriminatory. The Koch Bros, foreign made textiles, and Israel, are among some of the things on my watch list.

I am neither "Jew hating or Gay hating filth", thank you for showing your true self, and neither are the majority of other people all over the world who condemn Israel's policies of oppression and discrimination. That appalling mindset belies the weaknesses of your position, and I remain completely unsympathetic to your dogma.

procon

(15,805 posts)
7. I'm more concerned with the injustices done to the Palestinian people
Sat May 14, 2016, 11:20 AM
May 2016

than your biased views against anyone who speaks out against Israel's tyrannical policies. I can withstand these petty verbal muggings, but do tell if you come up with anything more erudite to strengthen your argument.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
8. Nope
Sat May 14, 2016, 11:34 AM
May 2016

I'm just observing.
I've seen it all before, I have no tolerance for the BDS movement, I no longer have to tolerate or "understand " Gay or Jewish bigots.
In one of the Palestinian statelets recently they just killed a commander of their own because he was Gay.... Nobody should support that medieval backwards shit.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
11. In summary, it comes down to the BDS side supporting backwardness...
Sat May 14, 2016, 01:11 PM
May 2016

....extreme batshit rightwing misogyny, homophobia, Jew hatred, and child abuse under PA/Hamas control.

That's their 1-state wet dream of no more liberal democratic Israel.

Just darkness taking its place and no, you're right, we don't have to take this medieval bigotry shit anymore.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
10. That's bullshit. I can prove w/o question u don't care about injustices to Palestinians....
Sat May 14, 2016, 12:20 PM
May 2016

Let's see your advocacy with respect to Palestinian gays, women, blacks, christians, and children who are treated like garbage under Arab rule in Gaza, Syria, or Lebanon.

Where is it?

...views against anyone who speaks out against Israel's tyrannical policies.


Except that's not happening here. But it's nice to pretend the lying Zionists who disingenuously call out antisemitism are trying to stifle all possible legitimate criticism of Israel, isn't it?

===============

Too bad for you that BDS is getting its ass kicked in American legislatures throughout the nation, Hillary....Bernie calls it antisemitic too. Not to mention the Labour scandal with the Corbynites, etc.

Everyone's starting to call bullshit on BDS bigotry.

procon

(15,805 posts)
12. So you're now saying that Isreal miitary occupation and subjugation of a whole country
Sat May 14, 2016, 01:38 PM
May 2016

is due to their idealistic altruism in defense of "gays, women, blacks, christians, and children"? Given the historical evidence to the contrary, your latest defensive posture appears to need a bit more work before it's ready for prime time.

Who is this "everyone" you speak of? I certainly agree that there are public institutions that quite literally can't afford to gainsay their pro-Israel supporters. But here's the thing, for every public venue that reflexively sides with Israel's political injustices, there are hundreds and thousands of actual consumers around the world that are saying "no" with their checkbooks and not buying products, goods and services. That's a real time loss of revenue, and looking at all the ostentatious anti-BDS claims, it is clearly having a detrimental effect of some bottomlines.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
13. Straw man, never said that. I questioned your bullshit claim of being concerned....
Sat May 14, 2016, 01:54 PM
May 2016

Last edited Sun May 15, 2016, 12:04 PM - Edit history (1)

...about injustices against Palestinians. I already knew before you answered you didn't give a crap about Palestinians under Arab rule who are treated like dog shit. It's okay, no BDS'ers give a FF about Palestinians. I haven't found one yet.

So why the bullshit faux concern about injustices done to Palestinians and claiming that's why you support BDS?

As to BDS criticism, Bernie Sanders says BDS is antisemitic. Obama calls anti-zionism antisemitic & since all BDS'ers happen to be anti-zionists...well, there you go and BDS is once again antisemitic.

So please, don't cry victim everytime BDS is called out for being the Jew hating, pro-Hamas regressive movement it is.



procon

(15,805 posts)
14. You keep moving the goalposts.
Sat May 14, 2016, 02:15 PM
May 2016

The OP was about BDS, but when you failed to cobble together any cogent argument, then you switched to this new track, "gay, women, blacks, christians, or children." Maybe you need a separate thread to expound on this new theme, you know, for the enlightenment of all the "Jew-haters" you've discovered here.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
37. Shira's not moving any goalposts
Mon May 16, 2016, 08:07 AM
May 2016

Just making you face what you support and show your hypocrisy. I don't blame you for trying to deflect from it - it's pretty fucking ugly.

procon

(15,805 posts)
44. Thanks for your thoughtful comment.
Mon May 16, 2016, 11:11 AM
May 2016

Still, my own counsel will I keep, and in good conscience, I'll continue to stand with the oppressed people of Palestine. As long as Israel's military occupation continues and they defend policies of unjust discrimination, segregation and inequality, BDS is my chosen method of protest.

Looking at the long lists of internationaly known groups and prominent individuals who also support BDS, standing up to an oppressive regimes anywhere and giving a global voice to the weak and powerless, is a worthwhile cause. Its not unusual that appeals to ordinary people around the world who are also engaged in BDS and determined is enforce the economic and cultural isolation of Israel due to its human rights abuses.

It is having the intended impact. And if my tiny efforts can serve in some small part to stop the Israeli theft of Palestinian lands, end the settlements in the occupied West Bank, punitive housing demolitions, another unilateral war on besieged Gaza, the state sponsored indiscriminate killings of thousands of Palestinians, the inhumane chokehold on Palestinian water, among many other things, then I say, let the boycott continue until there is justice for the people of Palestine.





 

shira

(30,109 posts)
45. Still going on about the oppressed Palestinians? Who do you think you're fooling?
Mon May 16, 2016, 11:16 AM
May 2016

Obama and Bernie say BDS is antisemitic.

They get it, why don't you?

procon

(15,805 posts)
47. Obama has a political agenda to consider.
Mon May 16, 2016, 11:53 AM
May 2016

I don't have any issue with the optics of Obama's expected official government position. You must have realized, surely, that the state's interests are far more complex and wide reaching than anything a single individual might be concerned about. I do not represent the government of the most powerful country in the world, but I am entitled to my own opinions, just as you are, and no approval or confirmation is necessary.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
46. That you don't see the irony
Mon May 16, 2016, 11:19 AM
May 2016

in protesting against

policies of unjust discrimination, segregation and inequality (your words)

when claiming to support the Palestinians is nobody's problem but your own.

All the people of Gaza had to do when Israel UNILATERALLY pulled out was not resort to violence, everybody was watching and they couldn't even manage that. They played right into bibi's hands.

procon

(15,805 posts)
48. Israel remains the oppressor.
Mon May 16, 2016, 12:06 PM
May 2016

Their ongoing civil rights abuses continue unabated. Its been going on for so long now, it's become tradition, part of the cultural norm. Israel can't stop, they have too much invested, too much money to lose to ever agree to any peace or two states at this point. Military force can't be applied to force change, reasoned condemnation has no effect, moral censure hasn't worked, so that leaves economic justice which is having an effect.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
49. They can't stop
Mon May 16, 2016, 12:16 PM
May 2016

because every time they do violence follows. Just look at what happened when they pulled out of Gaza. I know it's inconvenient when people point out the FACTS - like that the current Palestinians leaders are thoroughly corrupt (Abbas) or terrorists (hamas) but that doesn't change the FACTS. A peace treat will never be forced on Israel by France (ha ha) or anyone else. When the Palestinians decide they want peace, they'll sit down with Israel and hammer out an agreement. Until then, they will continue to suffer.

procon

(15,805 posts)
50. That's pretty much what I've suspected for quite some time now.
Mon May 16, 2016, 12:55 PM
May 2016

As you say, Israel can't stop and they have no interest in peace on any terms, and they will continue to make the Palestinian people suffer. I'm glad that's out in the open.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
53. If you want Palestinian suffering to end with their own state....
Mon May 16, 2016, 01:27 PM
May 2016

....then where the hell were you when Israel was offering it to them in 2000-01 or 2008?

Even Bibi offered to get out of 60% of the W.Bank with provisional borders a few years ago - for nothing in return - and he was rejected.

The rejection is all yours - your side.

You feel sorry for a people whose leadership has failed them many times & blamed Israel instead. If the Palestinians would rather reject having their own state due to wanting Israel gone first, why should you expect anyone to feel sorry for them?

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
54. Nice try
Mon May 16, 2016, 01:36 PM
May 2016

at putting words in my mouth. Nah - not really a nice try - more a pathetic attempt at shoving words in my mouth. If the Palestinians laid down their arms they'd have peace, if the Israeli's lay down their arms, they'd all be killed. It's certainly not my problem that you can't accept that simple fact. The Israeli's have already PROVEN they will sign peace treaties (Egypt and Jordan)..the Palestinians have only proved they want to kill Israeli's - nothing else.

procon

(15,805 posts)
55. No state would ever agree to what you've described.
Mon May 16, 2016, 02:22 PM
May 2016

The Palestinians must disarm, you say, but you would let Israel gets to retain all their weapons. That's not a plan for peace, it's a plan for genocide. You say the people of Palestine only want to kill Israelis, but when I googled up the stats, the numbers don't match your claim. That's proof I can actually believe in.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
56. Yawn
Mon May 16, 2016, 02:28 PM
May 2016

You lost me the second I read the word genocide. Until you learn what that word actually means and use it correctly, we have nothing to discuss You can start by explaining how a group supposedly undergoing genocide keeps ADDING to their population every single year. If you wish to discuss this without hyperbolic bullshit, let me know.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
3. IOW, you want to ignore and deny the fact that BDS is directly connected w/ terror groups.
Sat May 14, 2016, 10:28 AM
May 2016

Here's another article:
http://www.timesofisrael.com/congressional-testimony-highlights-ties-between-hamas-linked-charities-bds/

And here's a related article about a study showing the more BDS on campus, the more antisemitic incidents:
http://www.thetower.org/2088-new-study-shows-campus-bds-activity-strongly-correlates-with-anti-semitic-incidents/

And you'll have to do a lot better than "Zionists lie" to dispute the facts.

procon

(15,805 posts)
6. I have difficulty in believing that your listed sources are completely unbiased.
Sat May 14, 2016, 11:09 AM
May 2016

Sorry, but when you hold up pro-Israel sources to prop up your position, that's cause for significant skepticism when it comes to credibility. Rather like denouncing vegans by pointing to an article on BBQing T-bone steaks put out by the American Beef Industry, yeah?

Israeli

(4,148 posts)
22. I think you should read this in full procon.....
Sun May 15, 2016, 07:09 AM
May 2016
Interview With BDS Co-Founder Omar Barghouti: Banned by Israel From Traveling, Threatened With Worse

But the threats to Barghouti from the Israeli Government extend far beyond his right to travel. Last month, Amnesty International issued an extraordinary warning that the group “is concerned for the safety and liberty” of Barghouti, citing threats from Israeli Minister of Transport, Intelligence and Atomic Energy Yisrael Katz who called on Israel to engage in “targeted civil eliminations” of BDS leaders with the help of Israeli intelligence. As Amnesty noted, “the term alludes to ‘targeted assassinations’ which is used to describe Israel’s policy of targeting members of Palestinian armed groups.”

As The Intercept has regularly reported over the last year, the attempts to criminalize BDS activism – not only in Israel but internationally – is one of the greatest threats to free speech and assembly rights in the west. The threat has become particularly acute on U.S. college campuses, where official punishments for pro-Palestinian students are now routine. But obviously, the threats faced by Barghouti inside Israel are far more severe.

Regardless of one’s views on BDS and the Israeli occupation, anyone who purports to believe in basic conceptions of free speech rights should be appalled by Israeli behavior. I spoke with Barghouti yesterday about this latest Israeli attack on his core civil liberties, the growing extremism in Israel, and broader trends with free speech and BDS activism. “I am unnerved,” he told me, “but I’m certainly undeterred.” You can listen to the 25-minute discussion on the player below; a full transcript appears below that.


source: https://theintercept.com/2016/05/13/interview-with-bds-advocate-omar-barghouti-banned-by-israel-from-traveling-threatened-with-worse/
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
23. "official punishments for pro-Palestinian students are now routine" on US college campuses?
Sun May 15, 2016, 07:22 AM
May 2016

Wow - this author is insane. Looking-glass type stuff.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
17. AntiZionism is a new word.... The past incarnation of the same philosophy was called something else
Sat May 14, 2016, 07:13 PM
May 2016

Prior to 1948.... And since 1948 Jews have become strong.... What really irks people is that Jews no longer submit , Jews no longer go like lambs.... Not since 1948.

 

ericson00

(2,707 posts)
18. that is true, tho using the term "anti-Zionism" legitimizes the ideas that
Sat May 14, 2016, 07:25 PM
May 2016

are used against Israel, so anti-Israelism is a better term.

I've said before that I can see why Jews aren't favored by progressives in Europe, tho we're not in Europe. American progressives need to realize that the Jews ARE much of the Democratic Party's fundraising and thus ability to compete with Republicans. We American Jews practically underwrite much of the LGBT movement, were the foremost non-blacks to help Civil Rights, and there is something called "gratitude" that ought to be shown.

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
36. I'm against Zionism, but I'm not anti-Israel.
Sun May 15, 2016, 09:11 PM
May 2016

It's downright stupid to equate anti-Zionism with being against Israel. I support Israel as a democracy, but I'm totally against all forms of racism. I actually like Israel, it's a nice democratic country, but I think it's necessary to criticize some of its policies.

I buy Israeli products, simply because they're good quality for a good price. But I don't buy settlement products, as I don't support Apartheid.

Criticizing Israel for its racist policies may be anti-Zionism, but it's definitely not "anti-Israelism".

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
38. And support an
Mon May 16, 2016, 08:12 AM
May 2016

anti-women, anti-gay, anti-minority people who think terrorism is an answer to their problems? No thanks. You see, your attitude is precisely why American sympathies are so much stronger for Israel. One day you'll figure it out...but obviously not today.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
42. You're right
Mon May 16, 2016, 09:56 AM
May 2016

I posted to the wrong person and have apologized and made my position clear. Thanks for the heads up.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
41. Sorry, I did answer to the wrong person
Mon May 16, 2016, 09:56 AM
May 2016

above (wasn't meant for you). My point was that supposed liberals continually ignore from and deflect from the disgusting platform that the Palestinians live by - anti gay, anti women, anti minorities - all because they hate Israel.

 

Albertoo

(2,016 posts)
19. Why do those 'concerned students' always target Israel? Why not try Iran or Saudi Arabia?
Sat May 14, 2016, 09:06 PM
May 2016

The treatment of women in many Islamic countries is horrendous: the are caged in cloth in Afghanistan, not allowed to go about without permission of a male mentor in Saudi Arabia, beaten by the religious police for loose clothing in Indonesia and Iran, beaten in Malaysia for being caught having one beer on a Saturday, the list goes on.

But no, it has to be Israel, for some mysterious reason.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
20. It's not that they just target Israel for bad stuff & not others. They lie & distort....
Sat May 14, 2016, 09:38 PM
May 2016

...about Israel (deliberately) and that exposes them for the compassion abusing concern trolls they are.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
24. Only like one flavor of Kool-Aid, it seems
Sun May 15, 2016, 07:23 AM
May 2016

I realize the Medea Benjamin flavor tastes better to some folks, but...

Maybe branch out and try other varieties?

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
27. Gideon Levy is a liar, propagandist and inciter of terror.....
Sun May 15, 2016, 08:38 AM
May 2016

Tell you what, how about you find something in the OP that's false and we can compare that to Gideon Levy?

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
43. Gotta think on that one....
Mon May 16, 2016, 09:59 AM
May 2016

Alright, what the hell - I'll go with Ben Dror Yemini.

Wanna compare now?

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
57. Ben Dror Yemini - Ughh...
Mon May 16, 2016, 09:27 PM
May 2016

That flavor is way to bitter for me. Besides, it isn't based on real ingredients.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
59. So find something objectionable and I will
Tue May 17, 2016, 10:33 AM
May 2016

...do the same.

There's actually an article or 2 out there where Yemini challenges levy.

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
35. There's so much Hasbara in the OP that I barely can see the difference between one turd and another.
Sun May 15, 2016, 08:09 PM
May 2016

Why don't you choose one, and then we can discuss it...

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
40. The OP looks solid to me. Let's start with AMP links to SJP.
Mon May 16, 2016, 09:55 AM
May 2016

Do you think AMP is liberal, against Hamas & terrorism, for peace?

Or is it a POS racist supremacist warmongering movement in your view?

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
58. I don't know.
Mon May 16, 2016, 09:33 PM
May 2016

Perhaps if you could provide some info on these groups and their supposed linkage, I would be able to understand your position better.

yourpaljoey

(2,166 posts)
28. All the companies owned by my family support BDS...
Sun May 15, 2016, 08:40 AM
May 2016

... and in every way possible.
This truly is a grassroots movement.
The People are waking up all over the world!

King_David

(14,851 posts)
29. Soon your families companies will lose a lot of US investment
Sun May 15, 2016, 09:30 AM
May 2016

From State and Federal pension funds, by law.

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