Sanders wins greater say in Democratic platform; names pro-Palestinian activist

[ericson00]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sanders-scores-platform-concessions-from-democratic-national-committee/2016/05/23/e9ee8330-20fc-11e6-aa84-42391ba52c91_story.html

Sanders’s slate includes James Zogby, a longtime activist for Palestinian rights as well as a DNC member and official. Zogby currently co-chairs the party’s resolutions committee. His inclusion is a sign of Sanders’s plans to push the party’s policy on Israel toward what he has called a more even-handed approach to the Palestinian cause.

Ummmm NO! This is an insult to the majority/plurality of Democrats who stand with Israel:



And an insult to the Jewish voters who have been an integral part of the party for decades (and most Jews are not voting Sanders nor agree with him on Israel/Palestinians).

Zogby is a BDS-supporter.

Until Zogby is off or confirmed to not touch Israel/Palestinians, I'm giving the party no money/

Not to mention, Bernie put Cornel West, a BDSer on it too...

[bluestateguy]

1. He'll just be outvoted on the committee

nt

[ericson00]

2. the damage is done...the BDS crowd and the DDD types

now are on the brink of becoming major players in a major political party.

[cali]

3. Oh for ffs. Zogby is already on the executive board of the DNC

[ericson00]

4. don't worry...the pro-Israel majority, AIPAC, etc.

will help see to it that no anti-Israel language gets put into the platform. Zogby's place on the committee will sooner or later be called into question.

[shira]

5. Cornel West too. Fucking pathetic.

Apparently, Noam Chomsky was unavailable.

It's this kind of bullshit that will get Trump elected.

[ericson00]

6. Its as if the DNC has no spine to stand up to the fringe-left

and against Trump, they coulda done so easily!

The GOP is going to have a field day with Cornel West quotes running on adverts!

[shira]

22. Trump reaching out for the Alt Right vote, Sanders going for regressive Leftists...

Hillary is the only candidate out of those 3 with appeal to moderates & common sense.

Too many DU'ers here don't give a rip about....you know...DEMOCRATS winning the election. I'm convinced they'd rather see Trump than Hillary, sit out this election, let Trump win and then brag that they were right: Sanders would've beaten Trump!

[cali]

7. You are a reflection of what you say you hate.

And why on earth would his seat be cal l ed into question? He hasn't said anything untoward. He's advocated peacefully. His offence in your eyes, appears to be that he is an Arab-American

[ericson00]

16. He's a BDS supporter and Hillary, the nominee, is strongly against BDS

see Zogby's support here; http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-zogby/bds-a-legitimate-and-mora_b_7575794.html

[shira]

23. BDS is a bigoted anti-Zionist movement. Here's Norm Finkelstein...

Sanders has called BDS a bigoted movement.

Obama has said anti-Zionists are antisemites, and all BDS'ers are anti-Zionists.

[leftynyc]

28. No they're not

Could you even name the people who were on the platform committee last time around? The job simply is not that important. I don't like West (asshole just HATES Pres Obama for some perceived personal slight) but whatever. The two of them are going to be outvoted on any of the issues I think you care about and no more Democrats will know who they are than do right now (insignificant).

[Little Tich]

8. Perhaps the 23% of Democrats who support the Palestinians should be removed from the Democratic

Last edited Mon May 23, 2016, 11:25 PM - Edit history (1)

Party...

It's the same thing with the 40% of those horrible "Liberal Democrats" who dare to support the Palestinians:


http://www.people-press.org/2016/05/05/5-views-of-israel-and-palestinians/5_3/

That would solve the problem - no more Bernie Sanders, Cornel West or James Zogby...

[ericson00]

9. You got ur numbers mixed up...

The Gallup poll has Democrats overall with Israel 53-23...the only place I see 23% is on Gallups P side.

And quite frankly, condoning terror against Israel is something I would like to see both parties do without. As Hillary said, the anti-Israel prop fed to college kids needs to end, to start.

[Little Tich]

10. Huh? The poll you provided stated clearly that 23% of Democrats support the Palestinians...

I'm confused.

[ericson00]

12. read the title of your previous post

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=129033

[Little Tich]

13. I edited my post and I'm less confused now. n/t

[ericson00]

15. so yes, the Democratic Party has anti-Zionist demons it needs to clean up

before it does to the party what's happened to the British Labour Party, and alienate pivotal Jewish voters, not to mention the vast American pro-Israel mainstream.

I am 100% for abortion rights, marriage equality, and the environment, which is why I'm a Democrat in the first place. I've been one since I was a teen during Bush v. Kerry, and in fact, I remained one when I could vote because I saw the contrast between Clinton's Democratic competence/success vs. Bush's Republican failure.

But my people's safety, the Jewish people, must come first, and the delegitimization, and obsessive demonization and double standards against their state must end. Also, our votes must not be taken for granted by a party we are, quite frankly, the fundraising backbone for. And a rare group with a longer D-voting record than AAs, and nearly as high a number. Gratitude/appreciation matters.

Palestinian terrorists have been offered a state on numerous occasions (even before 1948; see Peel Commission, and even before 1988, see Alon Plan), and have blown up and hijacked planes, murdered Olympians, killed cruise ship passengers (Achille Lauro), and blown themselves up across the world; yet unlike any other group, they get away with it! No one else would be rewarded so handsomely for it!

[Little Tich]

17. But what if these "liberal Democrats" continue to support the Palestinians?

Shouldn't their POW be reflected in the Democratic platform?

[ericson00]

18. not when its far from of the party's POV overall (Gallup OR Pew), also don't moderates count?

which means a resounding NO!

Especially if you wanna alienate the broader electorate needed to win 270 electoral votes, unless an isolationist/protectionist NRA/climate-change denying guy like Trump is fine by you.

[Little Tich]

19. You know, it's actually quite possible that some liberal Democrats may refuse to vote for the

Democratic Party if it doesn't conform with liberal Democratic values.

Just saying...

[ericson00]

20. given American's broad stances on both I/P, which Americans see thru the lense

of the war against Islamist terror, then single-issue or big-issue Palestine voters staying home could easily be traded for moderates who want a President and party that doesn't say things that appear to apologize for terror.

Also, if supporting a authoritarian/theocratic and illiberal society like the Palestinian one instead of a liberal Democratic Jewish one because of crud cooked up by "post-colonial" ivory tower garbage, means that much to the kind of people who would stay home over it, then they're useless voters who have no biz in the electorate. They should go find a safe space.

[leftynyc]

29. Except strong sympathies

for Israel ARE part of the Democratic party - maybe because they allow votes to be held, don't kill their gays, are strong believers in women's rights. You simply refuse to admit what's right in front of your face even though polls bear it out every single time.

[Little Tich]

48. So 40% of liberal democrats (see post 8) are just plain wrong?

I suppose they're just a bunch of Bernie loving commies...

[leftynyc]

50. Not wrong

Just outnumbered. You're entitled to believe whatever you wish - that's what actual freedom is all about. It would be nice if the Palestinians got that chance under their corrupt and terrorist leaders.

[grossproffit]

11. I wish I could say I was shocked. To say that I'm greatly disappointed would be an understatement.

[ericson00]

14. hopefully, when the media shines a light on Cornel West's calling

Obama a n-word-ized POTUS, his BDS support (Hillary is a strong opponent of BDS), and Zogby's apparently a supporter of BDS too, the party and the pro-I grassroots will act.

I wish we could expel BDSers from the party.

[shira]

21. Sanders Voters Torn Between Voting for Hillary or Joining ISIS

WARNING: SATIRE

http://www.themideastbeast.com/sanders-voters-torn-voting-hillary-joining-isis/

As Hillary Clinton looks all but guaranteed to defeat Senator Bernie Sanders for the Democratic presidential nomination, Sanders supporters are reportedly torn over whether to support the former Secretary of State or flee the country and join ISIS, calling both options equally awful.

“On the one hand, leaving my family and traveling to Syria to live in the desert and behead innocent people seems really unappealing,” said one Sanders supporter. “But voting for Hillary? Now that’s just fucking torture.”

Clinton had hoped to unite her party after a bitter primary, but many have refused to commit to voting for the former First Lady even in a general election against Republican Donald Trump. But for some Sanders fans, voting for Trump, a former friend and supporter of Clinton, was also a non-starter.

“Listen, I don’t like ISIS, but at least we know that they’d be opposed to Hillary,” another Sanders supporter noted. “Hillary didn’t go to [ISIS Leader Abu Bakr] al-Baghdadi’s wedding. To be honest, the only way I can keep posting anti-Hillary memes after the party conventions are over is if I join the Caliphate and try to stop Hillary by destroying the West.”

Responding to these statements, Clinton said she was willing to support ISIS if that’s what it takes to win over these voters.

“I really don’t care what it takes to make all of this end,” a frustrated Clinton told The Mideast Beast. “I just want to be president already.”

[cali]

24. Sick and hateful satire.

[shira]

35. The Regressive Left deserves to be ridiculed. n/t

[cali]

25. You don't belong here. The bigotry you

constantly post is repugnant.

[shira]

31. Geez, get a sense of humor. And figure out what true bigotry really is. n/t

[King_David]

36. Who are you to say who belongs here?

I don't think anyone who believes Cornel West belongs anywhere near the Democratic Party belongs here.

I don't believe anyone accepting LGBT discrimination as in anyone giving a pass to the Palestinian statelets , Iran, Uganda hateful, murderous homophobia - belongs here.

[shira]

37. About the Regressive Left...

#RegressiveLeft:

Silence college debate.

Manipulate social media.

False cry of racism and bigotry.

Promote Oppression Olympics.

https://twitter.com/rubinreport/status/730245146877382657

[cali]

38. I don't like bigotry. I don't like anti-semitism and I don't like anti-Arab bigotry.

It's my opinion that people who repeatedly express bigotry are on the wrong site. Sue me.

[shira]

40. False cries of racism and bigotry are such bullshit.

Criticizing Hamas, Hezbollah, or the PLO is not anti-Arab bigotry.

I'm tired of seeing Regressive Leftists here being apologists for, supporting, or promoting Hamas and friends views.

[shira]

41. In the oppression olympics, gays throughout the mideast don't count....

Just as Jews don't count there either as victims.

Or women, christians, blacks, bahai, child human shields....

To criticize their oppressors is racist & bigoted, didn't you know?

[grossproffit]

27. LOL "Clinton said she was willing to support ISIS if that’s what it takes to win over these voters."

[shira]

32. Sadly, most politicians would. Trump courting KKK'ers....

Last edited Tue May 24, 2016, 09:50 AM - Edit history (1)

The site is pretty funny, equally bashing everyone.

[Little Tich]

49. “I just want to be president already.”

[EdwardBernays]

26. Good for Sanders

And I personally don't care of the plurality of Dems are for something... It's about time the Dems caught up with progressives around the world and stood up to Israel.

[leftynyc]

30. You see

And THIS progressive thinks it's about time the so called progressive around the world recognized that the Palestinians have never once stood for peace, vote in corrupt and terrorist leaders (when their corrupt and terrorist leaders actually allow elections), crap on women's rights, kill their gays. How about progressives stand up for those things?

[shira]

33. The Regressive Left....pretending to be progressives.

I loathe the disingenuousness.

They can hate Israel and Jews all they want, but I despise them dressing it up as if they give a f--k about Palestinians.

I respect Hamas and the KKK more. At least they don't hide the fact...

[leftynyc]

34. It's even worse than that

If these were Christians holding these disgusting views, everyone here would be screaming from the rooftops. Just another time to point out that Bill Maher was right. Both sides in the I/P battle have problems - that's why the ONLY solution is the two sides sitting down together and hammering out an agreement instead of waiting for others (like bds) to wave their magic wand and make it happen.

[azurnoir]

39. why do you keep posting these graphs? both show much stronger the GOP support is for Israel vs Dems

infact in your second chart it outstrips the difference between supporters of Bernie and Hillary by a wide margin, and I would think that to a loyal Democratic voter who supports Israel such as yourself those numbers might be somewhat embarrassing

[ericson00]

42. umm the graphs both show that among Democrats, Israel wins by double digits.

a win is a win (and out of the margin of error, too)

I also show you it to remind you that if the anti-Israel types ever get a hold on the Democratic party, both a lot of Jewish voters and gentile voters alike (given the view of the nation as a whole) could ditch

[while people might nec. vote on Israel alone, since Israel as seen as positive for most voters who care about national security, ditching it is a bad idea.]

or he's a new one: Black People side with Israel


so don't try to even make this about people of color vs. "Israeli 'white supremacy.'"

[azurnoir]

43. still and none the less Republican support for Israel is by double digits stronger than Democratic

and it may come as a surprise but not all Blacks are either religious or Protestant, and that is all your graph pertains too

[ericson00]

44. Double Digit amounts of Democrats side with Israel more than Palestinians

and once a more pro-Israel head of the party leads the party (Hillary) and Bernie ultimately gets thrown in the political dustbin of history, the number will go up.

[azurnoir]

45. paraphrasing Ronald Reagan now? "Thrown in the (political) dustbin of history"

http://www.historyplace.com/speeches/reagan-parliament.htm

[ericson00]

46. its actually a Trotsky quote that Reagan reused

[azurnoir]

47. oh well okay then Trotsky you say

[6chars]

51. a relative who had campaigned for Obama told me

this does it for dems 2016. but Jews are a small percent of the population, so who cares, right?