Tue May 24, 2016, 03:20 PM
ericson00 (2,707 posts)
Singling out Israel: The Sanders Democratic Party version
http://www.jewishjournal.com/rosnersdomain/item/singling_out_israel_the_sanders_democratic_party_version
Bernie Sanders will not be the next President of the United States, and that is calming news for anyone who wants Israel to survive in a hostile environment. Not that he is hostile to Israel, or that he wants to see it eliminated. Not that he doesn't have good intentions. Surely, his intentions as good as all the good intentions with which the road to hell is paved.
Sanders made news in recent days by making appointments to the Democratic Party's important Platform Drafting Committee of people who are not exactly Israel's most ardent supporters. Press reports focused on Sanders’ selection of Jim Zogby, a notable pro-Palestinian activist to the committee. But his other appointments – Cornel West, a supporter of BDS, rep. Keith Ellison, who voted against Iron Dome funding in Congress – are not expected to balance the Israel ticket on the committee. Disgusting, and a betrayal from a party Jewish voters have been loyal to for a century.
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ericson00 | May 2016 | OP |
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azurnoir | May 2016 | #2 | |
ericson00 | May 2016 | #3 | |
azurnoir | May 2016 | #4 | |
ericson00 | May 2016 | #5 | |
aranthus | May 2016 | #7 | |
azurnoir | May 2016 | #8 | |
aranthus | May 2016 | #10 | |
azurnoir | May 2016 | #12 | |
King_David | May 2016 | #13 | |
azurnoir | May 2016 | #23 | |
King_David | May 2016 | #24 | |
shira | May 2016 | #27 | |
shira | May 2016 | #26 | |
ericson00 | May 2016 | #9 | |
aranthus | May 2016 | #11 | |
aranthus | May 2016 | #6 | |
Little Tich | May 2016 | #14 | |
ericson00 | May 2016 | #15 | |
Little Tich | May 2016 | #16 | |
ericson00 | May 2016 | #17 | |
Little Tich | May 2016 | #18 | |
ericson00 | May 2016 | #19 | |
Little Tich | May 2016 | #20 | |
ericson00 | May 2016 | #21 | |
Little Tich | May 2016 | #22 | |
leftynyc | May 2016 | #25 |
Response to ericson00 (Original post)
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Response to ericson00 (Original post)
Tue May 24, 2016, 03:52 PM
azurnoir (45,850 posts)
2. graphic from OP
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Response to azurnoir (Reply #2)
Tue May 24, 2016, 04:04 PM
ericson00 (2,707 posts)
3. moderate and conservative Dems together make up more Democrats
than liberals. Unless to you and the like, moderates are all evil corporatist DLC impure RINOs. Add those pro-I people to the pro-I liberals left, anti-I people are still decisively outnumbered.
Also, I'll highlight the Gallup poll that reflects this ![]() >2:1 even with Democrats, despite far-left agitation. |
Response to ericson00 (Reply #3)
Tue May 24, 2016, 04:14 PM
azurnoir (45,850 posts)
4. so you're saying that the Democrats are centrist to right leaning ?
okay go with that if you wish
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Response to azurnoir (Reply #4)
Tue May 24, 2016, 04:32 PM
ericson00 (2,707 posts)
5. the majority of the Democratic Party is a pro-Jewish pro-Israel party
despite what a loud and annoying minority want to make it.
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Response to azurnoir (Reply #4)
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:04 PM
aranthus (3,383 posts)
7. No. The Dems are a center liberal party
That's why they really need to back away from the Leftist abyss before it's too late.
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Response to aranthus (Reply #7)
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:08 PM
azurnoir (45,850 posts)
8. what sort sub-divides liberals into smaller groups?
Response to azurnoir (Reply #8)
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:14 PM
aranthus (3,383 posts)
10. Not sure what you're asking about.
Leftists aren't Liberals.
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Response to aranthus (Reply #10)
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:27 PM
azurnoir (45,850 posts)
12. I disagree leftists are liberals but are concerned about more issues than c/r 'liberals'
IMO in the US the litmus test for liberal comes down to 2 things are you for womens reproductive rights and LGBT rights most other things such economic justice, medical care as a right vs priviledge among other things are rather up for grabs
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Response to azurnoir (Reply #12)
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:34 PM
King_David (14,851 posts)
13. And it sure don't include suporting regimes that have a hate
A murderous HATE for all those things as does the Palestinian statelets and Iran and Uganda and Islamic state....
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Response to King_David (Reply #13)
Wed May 25, 2016, 01:22 AM
azurnoir (45,850 posts)
23. Most Leftists support the people of Gaza as opposed to Hamas
for some it's hard to separate the 2 and I am sure we'll soon hear the fake meme about how the people of Gaza elected Hamas to lead them, when in fact they did no such thing and Hamas took over Gaza by a coup
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Response to azurnoir (Reply #23)
Wed May 25, 2016, 07:36 AM
King_David (14,851 posts)
24. You don't find such people here on DU part of the vocal tiny minority
The BDS crowd is anti Jewish
And a lot are homophobic Recently they tried banning an American Jew from performing at a reggae festival because he was a Jew but had no problems with their friends a hate group homophobic Gay hating POS performing. |
Response to King_David (Reply #24)
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:59 PM
shira (30,109 posts)
27. BDS'ers banning a Jew while favoring a gay hating homophobe...
....sure was an eye opener, wasn't it?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=110597 But if you think about it, that's typical of BDS Leftists who support Hamas oppression of gays in Gaza. |
Response to azurnoir (Reply #23)
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:55 PM
shira (30,109 posts)
26. The anti-Israel Left supports Hamas, not the people...
They don't give a shit about the people of Gaza, from gays to women to children used as human shields. You know that so why pretend otherwise?
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Response to aranthus (Reply #7)
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:12 PM
ericson00 (2,707 posts)
9. well said. Its like the far-left wants Trump to win
so they can overthrow "the DLC/corporatists" for 2020.
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Response to ericson00 (Reply #9)
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:18 PM
aranthus (3,383 posts)
11. I don't think the want Trump to win.
But when you are that far to Left everyone to your right looks the same. So why should they vote? Trump or Clinton is the same to them.
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Response to ericson00 (Original post)
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:03 PM
aranthus (3,383 posts)
6. One more reason to vote for Clinton.
Response to ericson00 (Original post)
Tue May 24, 2016, 10:22 PM
Little Tich (6,171 posts)
14. Any Democrat is better than Trump, but a right-leaning Democrat like Clinton shouldn't assume that
all Democratic voters will automatically vote for her.
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Response to Little Tich (Reply #14)
Tue May 24, 2016, 10:27 PM
ericson00 (2,707 posts)
15. fine. She can trade uber-progs who will not vote for her on her support of Israel alone
for moderate normal voters. I'd gladly make such a trade.
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Response to ericson00 (Reply #15)
Tue May 24, 2016, 10:41 PM
Little Tich (6,171 posts)
16. Hopefully, Bernie Sanders will win the nomination.
Hopefully, you will support Bernie Sanders over Trump.
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Response to Little Tich (Reply #16)
Tue May 24, 2016, 10:44 PM
ericson00 (2,707 posts)
17. he's not going to win the nomination. You know it, I know it,
the world knows it, even Bernie knows it.
And while I might not vote for Trump, many other Jewish voters might; Bernie's socialism not only threatens their economic success they've earned over generations, but his unpopularity among Jews (given the D-primary) would give Trump an opening, he'd counter the Duke allegations of the world with Bernie's anti-Israel fans, and could put a Jew on his ticket. They'd not only gain on the Jewish vote, but they'd get a lot of campaign donations and political participation to boot. Jewish voter turnout is WAY higher than the youngsters who go vote for Bernie. America is capitalist; campaign donations matter. Plus, Trump would not only have his own money, but Wall Street money which Bernie eschews because all money is evil to him. You do realize that in Europe, the formerly left-voting Jewish populations now all vote right? They did that because of obsessive and conspiratorial anti-Zionism and softness/accomodation to Islamist ideas. That could happen here with Bernie. |
Response to ericson00 (Reply #17)
Tue May 24, 2016, 11:07 PM
Little Tich (6,171 posts)
18. Clinton hasn't won the California primary yet...
But frankly, don't you think that Bernie Sanders has some Jewish backing because of his policies? While I'm not completely comfortable with stereotyping Jewish attitudes, it would be safe to assume that some Jewish Americans would prefer Bernie Sanders over Hillary Clinton.
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Response to Little Tich (Reply #18)
Tue May 24, 2016, 11:13 PM
ericson00 (2,707 posts)
19. he's consistently lost the Jewish vote to Hillary
over the course of the campaign. Those are polls, not mere conjecture.
A LOT MORE Jewish Americans prefer Hillary over Bernie. |
Response to ericson00 (Reply #19)
Tue May 24, 2016, 11:32 PM
Little Tich (6,171 posts)
20. Sanders's Israel criticism splits Jewish American vote
Source: Yahoo! News, April 17, 2016
New York (AFP) - When Bernie Sanders called Israel's response in the 2014 Gaza war disproportionate and urged America to be more balanced on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, he smashed a presidential campaign taboo.
His remarks at the April 14 Democratic debate ahead of New York's decisive primary on Tuesday amounted to unprecedented criticism of Israel and promotion of Palestinian rights from a canvassing US presidential candidate. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu "is not right all of the time," said the Vermont senator. "We cannot continue to be one-sided." He criticized Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton for not saying that she would do more to promote Palestinian rights when she addressed the powerful right-wing American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) lobby in Washington in March. "If we are ever going to bring peace to that region, which has seen so much hatred and so much war, we are going to have to treat the Palestinian people with respect and dignity," Sanders said. --- But Sanders' words reflect changing attitudes among Jewish voters, particularly Millennials who grew up seeing Israel as a strong state and for whom the horrors of the Holocaust are more removed.
Read more: https://www.yahoo.com/news/sanderss-israel-criticism-splits-jewish-american-vote-052711724.html |
Response to Little Tich (Reply #20)
Tue May 24, 2016, 11:54 PM
ericson00 (2,707 posts)
21. Umm read the numbers...she beaten him with Jews by
Double digits. The electorate is bigger than a few college kids and recent grads, some of who wish there were an easy answer for anti Semitism and many of whom have radical professors way out of the mainstream...
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Response to ericson00 (Reply #21)
Wed May 25, 2016, 01:17 AM
Little Tich (6,171 posts)
22. Eppur si muove... n/t
Response to ericson00 (Original post)
Wed May 25, 2016, 09:04 AM
leftynyc (26,060 posts)
25. Putting West on the committee
sealed Bernie's fate - they wont get one thing through and the rest of the committee will delight in fighting against them knowing it will help them in the general. Anybody that supports bds is an enemy of progressives everywhere. We wont even discuss the repulsive things he's said about our President.
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