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Thu Jan 30, 2020, 11:11 PM

Every Time Palestinians Say 'No,' They Lose

"Regarding President Trump’s peace plan for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the instant conventional wisdom is that it’s a geopolitical nonstarter, a gift to Benjamin Netanyahu and an electoral ploy by the president to win Jewish votes in Florida rather than Palestinian hearts in Ramallah."

"It may be all of those things. But nobody will benefit less from a curt dismissal of the plan than the Palestinians themselves, whose leaders are again letting history pass them by."


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/30/opinion/middle-east-peace-plan.html

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Reply Every Time Palestinians Say 'No,' They Lose (Original post)
aranthus Jan 2020 OP
Cartoonist Jan 2020 #1
aranthus Jan 2020 #6
Scurrilous Jan 2020 #2
aranthus Jan 2020 #5
Scurrilous Jan 2020 #7
aranthus Jan 2020 #8
BigmanPigman Jan 2020 #3
aranthus Jan 2020 #4
sabbat hunter Jan 2020 #9
Igel Jan 2020 #10
aranthus Feb 2020 #11
Israeli Feb 2020 #12
aranthus Feb 2020 #13
Israeli Feb 2020 #14
aranthus Feb 2020 #15
Israeli Feb 2020 #16

Response to aranthus (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2020, 11:17 PM

1. Every time they surrender

Is someone actually calling this plan acceptable?

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Response to Cartoonist (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 31, 2020, 02:41 AM

6. No. That isn't the point.

Last edited Fri Jan 31, 2020, 10:29 AM - Edit history (1)

The point is that the Palestinians have rejected every plan for almost one hundred years, and they haven't presented a reasonable plan of their own. That's not negotiating in good faith is it? This plan is what the Palestinians get for not negotiating in good faith. If they want to break the cycle of losing by saying no, then they need to come up with some response other than no. Don't say yes to this plan, but at least say something more constructive than just no.

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Response to aranthus (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2020, 11:23 PM

2. LOL

They're sitting out Trump. He'll be gone soon.

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Response to Scurrilous (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 31, 2020, 02:39 AM

5. And the Israelis will still be there.

Do you think any US President will be able to push the Israelis to give up more if the Palestinians won't give up Right of Return?

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Response to aranthus (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 31, 2020, 03:14 AM

7. They can wait.

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Response to Scurrilous (Reply #7)

Fri Jan 31, 2020, 09:06 AM

8. For what?

For Israel to go away?

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Response to aranthus (Original post)

Fri Jan 31, 2020, 01:04 AM

3. Whose plan? Putin's? Jared's?

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 31, 2020, 02:37 AM

4. What is the Palestinian Plan?

n/t

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Response to aranthus (Original post)

Fri Jan 31, 2020, 07:33 PM

9. The Palestinian response should have been

"This proposal is unacceptable, here is our proposal"

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Response to sabbat hunter (Reply #9)

Fri Jan 31, 2020, 08:43 PM

10. Instead there was the usual

"no" followed by random missile attacks from Gaza.

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Response to sabbat hunter (Reply #9)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 12:58 AM

11. Exactly!

That would have been the way to break the cycle.

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Response to aranthus (Original post)

Sun Feb 2, 2020, 03:39 PM

12. Its all about your elections and ours ......

Trump and Bibi don't give a damn about the Palestinians …….and neither do you , do you ?

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Response to Israeli (Reply #12)

Mon Feb 3, 2020, 08:20 PM

13. You don't have a monopoly on caring.

Just because I think that the Palestinians are more in the wrong, and haven't negotiated in good faith does not mean that I don't care about them. Do you really think that the Palestinian break off of relations helps them?

Yes, the Plan is in part about the elections, but not nearly all about them. Even so, the point is how the Palestinians continue to screw themselves with complete rejectionism. If this proposal isn't acceptable *(and I agree that it is not), then where is the Palestinian proposal?

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Response to aranthus (Reply #13)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 10:53 AM

14. Sure I do .....

............….over yours any day .
I was born here …….my kids and grandchildren were born here .
We have served in the IDF for generations …….where do you get your hatred of the Palestinians from ???
My family have more reasons to hate them than you will ever have .
They are not our enemy ….my enemy is the religious right wing both mine and yours , led by Bibi and
Donald Trump .

The Palestinians deserve their own country with East Jerusalem as its capital .
Until they have that there will never be Peace .

This latest peace plan is a joke and an insult and if I was a Palestinian I would reject it too .

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Response to Israeli (Reply #14)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 11:41 AM

15. So anyone who places any responsibility on Palestinians hates them?

And here I thought I was treating them as equals.

Of course the Palestinians deserve their own country. You have never read anything from me that says otherwise. And if you had actually read the article I posted or any of my subsequent responses on this thread, instead of going off emotionally, you'd know that I don't think the Plan is acceptable. In fact I think it was intended to not be acceptable. What the article and I find problematic is that the Palestinians always reject and then don't propose any plan of their own. That's what they've done in this case, and it's a losing strategy.

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Response to aranthus (Reply #15)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 10:11 PM

16. Only time I get emotional discussing our politics ....

…...is Rabin's assassination .

With Bibi, and Trump backing him up, anything is possible
even this ……

https://www.timesofisrael.com/wife-of-jailed-rabin-assassin-yigal-amir-registers-party-calling-for-his-freedom/

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