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Wed Feb 5, 2020, 04:49 PM

Time for Palestinians to present their own peace plan.

Just for fun, I googled "Palestinian Peace Plan" and Palestinian Authority Peace Plan". There isn't one, but I did find this article.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-02-05/time-for-palestinians-to-present-their-own-peace-plan

Maybe Abbas will rise to the ocaission. I hope so.

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Reply Time for Palestinians to present their own peace plan. (Original post)
aranthus Feb 2020 OP
Scurrilous Feb 2020 #1
aranthus Feb 2020 #2
Mila18 Mar 2020 #9
Israeli Feb 2020 #3
aranthus Feb 2020 #4
Israeli Feb 2020 #7
sabbat hunter Feb 2020 #5
aranthus Feb 2020 #6
sabbat hunter Feb 2020 #8

Response to aranthus (Original post)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 05:02 PM

1. To whom?

The Palestinians have no partner for peace.

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Response to Scurrilous (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 05:17 PM

2. Baloney!

You illustrate the problem. The Palestinian side isn't serious. And even if the Israelis aren't a partner for peace, what better way to prove that than for the Palestinians to present their own plan that the rest of the world could get behind?

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Response to Scurrilous (Reply #1)

Sun Mar 1, 2020, 05:43 PM

9. The Palestinians have no partner for peace -- especially themselves

Who are Israel's partners for peace?
In Gaza, Hamas is in charge. In Judea and Samaria (the so-called West Bank), the Palestinian Authority is in charge, with Abbas in the 15th year of a four-year term as leader. Both groups hate each other.
If Israel and the PA make peace, Hamas will attack the PA and probably win, placing another terrorist entity on Israel's eastern border. If Israel and Hamas make peace, the PA won't go for it. The PA knows its only hope of survival is the status-quo.
Neither Hamas nor the PA are willing to drop their demands that Israel cease to exist ("from the river to the sea". Therefore, Israel will never have a peace partner.

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Response to aranthus (Original post)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 08:51 PM

3. You need to Google in ....

Hebrew or Arabic

Lots of grass roots movements out there, just one example :

https://www.alandforall.org/english/?d=ltr

We have lost faith with our leaders on both sides .

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Response to Israeli (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 08:40 AM

4. The article and I are looking for something official.

The PA/PLO is the official representative of the Palestinians. Grassroots movements are fine, but don't really do much unless their ideas are adopted by leadership organizations. I've been aware of this group. Until their ideas gain some traction in official circles they aren't going to have much of an impact. Maybe you have lost faith in your leaders, but a majority or close to a majority of Israelis still seem to want Bibi (I don't get that or like it, but it seems to be true), or Gantz (who doesn't seem much different than Bibi vis a vis the Palestinians).

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Response to aranthus (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 8, 2020, 05:00 PM

7. I dont get it or like Trump either .....

and with reference to Gantz .the Democrats aren't much different than Trump vis a vis the Palestinians :

https://www.972mag.com/democratic-party-israel-apartheid/

in other words , "official circles" in my country and yours dont give a damn about the Palestinians and
they know that .

Grassroot movements are all we have .

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Response to aranthus (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:40 PM

5. Here is my solution

1) A token amount of right of return to Israel proper of those who were forced out in the War of Independence. Rest will be monetarily compensated by Israel.
2) Any Jews forced out of Arab countries in the years after the War for independence will be monetarily compensated by those countries
3) Israel pulls back to basically the green line, with some minor border adjustments
4) Old city stays politically under Israeli control, holy areas remain as status quo. Palestine can call an area east of the old city their capital if they wish.
5) Settlers in WB will be given two choices, remain in settlements, with dual citizenship (but only voting in Palestinian elections), or they can come back to Israel proper with monetary compensation for their homes in the WB, to be paid for by Israel and Palestine equally.
6) Any terror attacks from Gaza or WB will be considered attacks from Palestine, and the Palestinian government will be solely responsible for them. Israel will have a right to defend itself from such attacks, as would any country attacked by a foreign power
7) UN troops to monitor the border between Israel and Palestine for 10 years. UN peacekeepers will be free to take any action necessary to stop an attack.
8) Tunnel to be built between Gaza and the WB area with entrances on both sides guarded by UN forces, free to take any actions necessary to stop an attack.
9) If the PA rejects these proposals, they will be thrown off any UN committees they are on, monitor ejected from UN, no longer receive any money from the UN, etc.

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Response to sabbat hunter (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 7, 2020, 01:42 AM

6. I like it except

that I don't think Israel should acknowledge a right of return. Allow a small amount of people to return, but don't acknowledge it as a general right. I also question why the Palestinian state should have to accept the settlers as citizens. They could be allowed to stay as permanent residents, voting in Israeli elections, but not in the Palestinian elections.

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Response to aranthus (Reply #6)

Sun Feb 9, 2020, 11:39 AM

8. because

they would then be second class citizens in a Palestine. If you don't have the right to vote in local elections, you aren't equal.

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