Lieberman to Haaretz: Israel must launch concerted campaign to delegitimize Abbas

[azurnoir]

Israel should present Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas with an ultimatum, Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman said this weekend: If he doesn't resume negotiations and abandon his unilateral campaign for UN recognition as a state, Israel will cease to see him as a legitimate negotiating partner.

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This year, Abbas plans to ask the General Assembly to recognize Palestine in the 1967 lines as a nonmember observer state. In the General Assembly, the Palestinians have an automatic majority; he can count on the support of at least 130 countries. And though General Assembly decisions are nonbinding, such a decision would enable the Palestinians to join the International Criminal Court and seek to indict Israel for alleged war crimes in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

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He also said Israel should open a delegitimization campaign against Abbas. "We must not sit and wait until November, and only then put out the fire, as we always do," he said. "Abu Mazen is waging diplomatic terror against us ­ a campaign of delegitimization against Israel ­ by encouraging boycotts, overseas lawsuits and incitement. We must do the same to him. By November 7," the day after the U.S. elections, "we must make Abu Mazen illegitimate in the eyes of the world."

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To block the Palestinians' UN bid, Lieberman said, Israel must impose heavy diplomatic and economic sanctions on Abbas.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/lieberman-to-haaretz-israel-must-launch-concerted-campaign-to-delegitimize-abbas-1.460698

[oberliner]

1. I thought Abbas was a stooge for the Israelis?

Hard to keep track of the talking points nowadays.

[azurnoir]

2. well that has been said by Hamas and its supporters do you feel they hold the authoritative view?

IMO that's kind of like teabaggers that say Obama is a communist Muslim who was born in Kenya

[oberliner]

4. No, it's actually been said by posters right here on this very forum

Interesting that you have somehow "missed" that, being such a prolific poster that you are.

[azurnoir]

5. really on DU3 could you post some those for us please?

I do remember one poster in particular from DU2 however she has not posted in a very long time in part due to her disallusionment with the stances taken on DU and her name along with other personal things about her being posted at another site called ProSemite Undercover

[oberliner]

7. Here's one from a regular

11. Good. I think he's a stooge. nt

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=124&topic_id=84963&mesg_id=84981

[azurnoir]

8. yes it is dated Thu Jan-13-05 that would be a bit more than 7 1/2 years ago

thing have changed for Abbas a bit since then though

[oberliner]

9. Still a regular poster today

Maybe we can check in and see if that poster has changed his mind about Abbas.

[azurnoir]

10. perhaps you read his posts ? n/t

[oberliner]

13. From another regular: "5. Abbas is already seen as a U.S. stooge"

From 2007:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=124&topic_id=165458&mesg_id=165466

Willing to concede the point yet?

[azurnoir]

14. from 5 years ago but sure okay ya

you win there are you happy now?

[oberliner]

15. What's your take on Abbas?

Presumably you don't see him as a stooge.

[azurnoir]

16. actually there was a time in the past where I did he seemed pretty spineless

his UN bid changed that a bit in fact it seemed to change most regular posters here impression of Abbas for either for the better or the worse

[oberliner]

18. A few posts ago you said only Hamas and its supporters thought that way

Now you are saying that you used to?

Fascinating.

[azurnoir]

19. yes and I also pointed out that many USED to think of Abbas in that manner

that changed as many things do, but I tend to try to stick with here and now

[no_hypocrisy]

3. I don't think that Israel views Abbas as a "legitimate negotiating partner" right now,

even if he resumes negotiations.

[azurnoir]

6. no not his UN bid which will most likely be repeated shortly

this as an observer state rather than full member that said the refrain "we have no partner for peace" has long been sung by Israel

[LeftishBrit]

11. So whom does he want in power, Hamas?

Actually Hamas would agree with Lieberman on one issue: they have sabotaged all efforts at declaration of Palestine as a state.

[shira]

12. Not Hamas, but someone else to lead the PA/PLO/FATAH. n/t

[azurnoir]

17. who then ? Fayyad? Barghouthi? who?