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BanTheGOP

(1,068 posts)
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 05:18 PM Sep 2012

In a quandary on how to post my views on Palestine / Middle east policy

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Lithos (a host of the Israel/Palestine group).

I have come to the conclusion that the ONLY solution to the Palestine (or "Israel&quot crisis is to post a thread that would clearly violate the DU rules. My desired solution is not violent, but it is more revolutionary than be allowed under the current rules.

I propose a "gloves off" segment, perhaps limited to starred members, that would allow us to be a bit more candid with our solutions. This would allow us to debate the issue with more honesty while prohibiting the wingnuts from blatantly politicizing the discussion. For instance, I have "Israel" in quotes as I feel it is as illegal, and as reprehensible, as the existence of the US republican Party. What say?

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In a quandary on how to post my views on Palestine / Middle east policy (Original Post) BanTheGOP Sep 2012 OP
I say i've always wanted an excuse to use this emoticon Scootaloo Sep 2012 #1
If you want to try Suicide by Jury, be our guest. leveymg Sep 2012 #2
Feel free to join in on the discussion here... shira Sep 2012 #3
You don't post here often , so welcome ... King_David Sep 2012 #4
And just noticed .. ( I would not have been so polite) King_David Sep 2012 #5
Your desired solution is completely crazy Mosby Sep 2012 #6
You found that bigotry on DU? King_David Sep 2012 #8
From the conservative cave Mosby Sep 2012 #7
 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
1. I say i've always wanted an excuse to use this emoticon
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 05:21 PM
Sep 2012

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
2. If you want to try Suicide by Jury, be our guest.
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 05:22 PM
Sep 2012

What's up your butt that can't be said? Go ahead, say it.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
3. Feel free to join in on the discussion here...
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 05:45 PM
Sep 2012

King_David

(14,851 posts)
4. You don't post here often , so welcome ...
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 06:39 PM
Sep 2012

But what makes you different from all of us regulars in thinking you can break DU / IP rules ?

King_David

(14,851 posts)
5. And just noticed .. ( I would not have been so polite)
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 06:49 PM
Sep 2012

I am 100% sure that having Israel in " " would not make you welcome in the Democratic Party ( re-watch Obama speech from last night ) I'm quite surprised you feel comfortable at DU or in the "Progressive Left" part of the Internet sphere.

 

Mosby

(19,491 posts)
6. Your desired solution is completely crazy
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 07:22 PM
Sep 2012

Due to the "rules" I can't say what I think you are, but I hope you and your friends are getting a good laugh or two.

Some of your "highlights":

Decertification of the Israeli state

Israel needs to be internationally decertified as a country, with progressive Arabs forming the bullwark of a new democratic or other form of non-republican party like entity. It must let the people decide where everyone should live, and imprison all Israeli hardliners for their terrorist activities against Palestine and the neighboring Arab states. I would suggest naming the country Palestine, with a consortium of progressive Arab interests running things, and a demilitarization of the region. ONLY when that happen will there be peace in the mideast, though it must also work in conjunction with a US ban on the republican party to ensure no military meddling on our part.

Israel is 100% at fault, and must be taken to account and decertified. Pure and simple.


Note: I did not say Jewish individuals would have to leave. They would simply be part of the citizenry that the new government would promote. If Sharia law becomes the desire for the citizens of what is now Israel, then we can deal with that as it comes. But right now, the powderkeg of global destruction, sponsored by the republicanist interests in the US Capitalist system, is far more likely to erupt in your bloody civil war.


I question the US support for Israel being at an all time high, but I think part of that problem is semantical. The pragmatics of the situation indicate that, as it stands now, Israel is a demonstrably volatile anomaly that only exists in its current state because of massive republican support, particularly among military lines, as well as Reaganesque-conservative manipulation through the Mossad that, strikingly, resembles the very regime that precipitated the formation of the Israeli state in the first place: Nazi Germany.

One of the fundamental problems that we on the left face is that we are under constant attack by the conservative repressionists for virtually everything we do. To that end, we look at what the problems in the Middle East emanate from, and without blinking an eye, I've tied it in to the existence and manipulation of the American republican party. Without the GOP, Israel would certainly not be handed billions of yours and my dollars every year for maintaining a nuclear, fascist military regime, carrying out attack after attack against poor, innocent civilians, much of which we document here in DU. So to that end, we know HOW the situation is exacerbated.

Therefore, we must surgically be careful, but we MUST destroy any capabilities of Israeli nazis from terrorizing the mideastern region and rectify its political, emotional, and spirtual growth by eliminating the American GOP influence from its life source. Once that occurs, we can effect progressive, humane change.


I didn't say that Israeli's couldn't be part of the government. I said that US republican party-backed Israeli military/industrial complex would be taken out of the picture, including the fascist conservative elements of the Mossad. Jewish individuals (not "Jews;" that is an ethnic slur) would have the opportunity to become part of the government; it is a TRUE democracy after all. Once the government has been solidified as a, such like the Muslim Brotherhood, then everything can revert back to progressive normalcy.

Basically, nuclear military capabilities would be eliminated to match that of the rest of the region. and the land distributed in equitable ways that ensure prosperity for everyone, not just the republicanist jewish people. But they would be part of the society, not apart from it, even if they deserve it. Only those conservatives who have criminally been abusive in their conservative governance would be denied citizenship, and either imprisoned or banished from the region.


Now, keep in mind I separate "Israeli" from "Jewish individual" in the context of government action and control. The Israeli government is way out of control, and needs to be decertified and rendered over to a true democratic process involving all citizens in the region. The government, acting in concert with the American GOP, DOES in fact represent Nazi philosophy and actions. THAT is the difference. This is why we have to be extremely careful here in communicating our hatred of the Israeli miltaristic regime, while at the same time championing the individual rights of all citizens, no matter their religious persuasion.


King_David

(14,851 posts)
8. You found that bigotry on DU?
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 09:02 PM
Sep 2012

WTF. ????

 

Mosby

(19,491 posts)
7. From the conservative cave
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 07:33 PM
Sep 2012

Thread: My DU alert told me... BanTheGOP is back!!

The Village Idiot:
Do you guys ever have have your moles say something far out just to get a reaction... I mean just to fit in?

AllosaursRus:
Quote from: FGL on June 02, 2010, 10:30:17 am

Do you guys ever have have your moles say something far out just to get a reaction... I mean just to fit in?


Uh.........................Ahm not koppin' to nuttin'.

As it is I have to use a different 'puter!



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