Hamas To Establish Military Academy In Gaza For 12-Year-Old Children

[zellie]

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Hamas To Establish Military Academy In Gaza For 12-Year-Old Children



Hamas is planning to establish a military academy in the Gaza Strip for training and educating schoolchildren.

Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh announced Thursday that the new military academy, the first of its kind in the Gaza Strip, would prepare the children for the “phase of liberating Palestine.”

He said that children in grades 7-9 could join the academy and graduate with a Diploma or Bachelor of Arts in military affairs.

Haniyeh was speaking during a ceremony in the Gaza Strip marking the birth of Prophet Mohamed. More than 10,000 schoolchildren attended the ceremony, which included a “military parade” by some of the teenagers. He said that he has instructed the Hamas-run Ministry of Education to lay plans for the establishment of the military academy.

Haniyeh said that the new academy would educate and prepare children for the establishment of a Palestinian state “from the river to the sea.”


http://m.topix.com/forum/city/holland-mi/TFOG3PK5TJI9Q0FK2

[zellie]

1. "From River to the Sea"

School for making 12 year olds into Jew killing robots.

Must be some mistake.

[Scootaloo]

10. Preteens make pretty lousy robots, for any task.

If you're worried about kids in Gaza growing up to hate Jews... well... I'm afraid that ship has sailed.

Are you just as worried about Israeli kids growing up to hate Arabs? Seems to me it's a problem on both sides of the issue.

[shira]

13. Israel's media, government, & schools teach tolerance, co-existence, peace....

The Hamas government not only teaches hate and incites everyone to want to kill Jews (in their government, schools, and media) it also trains its kids to murder Jews.

No biggie, right?

[Scootaloo]

16. Then where do all the Israeli racists come from?

(Glib answer: The US!)

Seriously, though. Do you really think Israel is some bigotry-free utopia of peace and love and gumdrops? 'Cause from where I stand, racism and bigotry are pretty deeply-ingrained in Israeli society. I admit I've never read an Israeli schoolbook, so I can't say what's going on in there. But when a member of your government's legislative body helps incite a race riot, and their only mea culpa is to apologize to cancer patients for likening Africans to cancer, your society might have some issues with racism. And no, I'm not singling Israel out here, I'm of the belief that most societies have some pretty awful racist shit going on. This country sure as shit does.

As for this Hamas training thing? My biggest worry is that these kids are going to have a lot of time they could be learning useful stuff, wasted on learning useless things instead. It's a waste. Granted, I'm not sure what useful educational opportunities there are to be had in Gaza, but I'm sure there's got to be a better use of these kids' time than this nonsense.

it's even a waste of Hamas' time - despite Zellie's assertions, they're not going to get an army of brainwashed "Jew-killing robots." If the CIA couldn't figure out effective brainwashing techniques, I rather doubt Hamas is going to succeed, right? What they're going to end up with is some kids who learn to crawl around under wires and shoot a gun. While you can get a five year-old to play dress up and repeat damn near anything, getting a 15 year old to do goddamned anything is an exercise in frustration

If those kids end up thinking Jews are their enemies, well... It's probably not going to be because Hamas told them so.

[shira]

22. 90 years of terror, probably.

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If you plop the entire Israeli Jewish population into antisemitic Poland from 1948-2013, it's very likely a very large percentage would hate Poles, dont'cha think?

Hell, if all Jews were living in a grossly antisemitic America or UK the past 70 years, a majority would probably hate Americans and UK'ers too, no matter how much tolerance was preached in synagogues and Jewish media.

To call that racism? I don't know.

But racism is evil, no question about it....

[Scootaloo]

28. Interesting that Poles are inherently antisemites to you

Tell me more.

[shira]

30. I didn't say that...

Here's a history of the Jews in Poland the last 100 years:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Poland#Growing_antisemitism

And here it is on the rise once again:
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/polish-authorities-shrug-off-anti-semitism-1.466127

Must be because they're 'Zionists'.

[Scootaloo]

33. Well, you present it as a defining trait of Poland

Also interesting that you think people who are "plopped" somewhere have the utmost right to hate the people they have been plopped upon.

[rateyes]

34. +1

[shira]

37. It's pretty bad in Poland. My family came from Lithuania, and that country...

...also remains deeply anti-semitic.

http://www.jpost.com/JewishWorld/JewishNews/Article.aspx?id=207275

I have no plans to ever visit there.

Also interesting that you think people who are "plopped" somewhere have the utmost right to hate the people they have been plopped upon.

IOW, you're saying Jewish refugees and holocaust survivors who made it to Israel have hate & terror coming to them. Therefore, Jewish refugees and Holocaust survivors have no right to hold any bad feelings towards Hamas, the PLO, PFLP, and all their supporters in KKK or Nazi-style hate/terror. Is that it?

It'd be one thing if terror vs. Israelis were confined to those making aliyah from elsewhere around the globe, like Holocaust survivors. That's bad enough. The problem is that Hamas, the PLO, PFLP, etc.. do not distinguish b/w half the Jews of Israel who are from neighboring Arab countries and the other half of newer arrivals.

[oberliner]

38. Palestinian citizens of Israel don't fare much better with Hamas

They even occasionally hit Palestinian citizens of Gaza.

One thing you've got to say about Hamas rocket attacks - they do not discriminate based on race, religion, or ethnicity.

[shira]

40. That's true. Secular, moderate Muslims & Xtians are the primary victims of Islamists...

....like Hamas, al-Qaeda, the MB, Iran and Saudi Arabia throughout the mideast.

They, like the dreaded Zionists, are hated by the Islamists (and most of the anti-Israel Left) for being "deeply racist rightwing Islamophobes" who dare to oppose the most regressive, totalitarian forces in that region.

[DesertFlower]

2. that's why they'll never be peace.

[Jefferson23]

3. Is this you zellie?

odd...we don't hear libs screaming "its for the children" now?
guess liberal "gun control" kinda depends on who they want to "control"

Ian should be happy, lots of Jewish children won't be..but thats "ok"..they are Christians

[zellie]

4. Lol

I just saw the article.

Does this action by Hamas bother you or are you understanding of using 12 year olds this way?

[Jefferson23]

6. You posted it from a political forum, that's why I asked...so this is not you?

The longer the occupation continues the more you'll see resistance of all types.

[zellie]

7. No , absolutely not me.

I see you're as disgusted with these events as I am.

[Jefferson23]

8. Probably not, no. I understand how they rise from the occupation.

You might want to edit your link so it goes directly to the OP at JPost.

[shira]

12. The Egyptian MB (Hamas is a branch) was training kids to kill Jews prior to 1948....

Try again.

Hamas supports Omar Bashir:
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2009/03/200937132946576390.html

So not only does Hamas train its kids to murder Jews, but it also supports Bashir's racist genocidal intentions towards Sudan's black population.

Why are you defending Hamas and justifying their actions?

[zellie]

18. No one here is defending Hamas ...

nor will some people ever say anything condemning them.

Now justifying them ? That's another story.

[shira]

25. No condemnation + justification = close enough to defending Hamas

Imagine us justifying Kahanist terror attacks vs. innocents and refusing to condemn them.

What would you make of such a viewpoint if that's not defending them?

[Jefferson23]

19. Who is the IDF trained to kill? Get off your stupid high horse shira.

Oh that's right, HRW and Amnesty International and B'tselem are all wrong.

Does Israel Teach Anti-Arab Bigotry?
August 13, 2011

Israel is experiencing a protest movement for “social justice” as are other countries in the Middle East and Europe. But the Israeli version seeks a more equitable society for Jewish citizens while sidestepping the plight of Palestinians, what Lawrence Davidson sees as the result of intense anti-Arab indoctrination.

By Lawrence Davidson

Over the last ten years, there have been periodic outbursts of rage over the alleged anti-Semitic nature of Palestinian textbooks. Most of these episodes have been instigated by an Israeli-based organization called the Center for Monitoring the Impact of Peace (aka, the Institute for Monitoring Peace and Cultural Tolerance in School Education).

However, the Center’s conclusions have been corroborated only by other Israeli institutions such as Palestinian Media Watch. And, not surprisingly, almost all independent investigations examining the same issue have come up with very different conclusions.

These non-Zionist sources include The Nation magazine, which published a report on Palestinian textbooks in 2001; the George Eckert Institute for International Textbook Research, reporting in 2002; the Israel/Palestine Center for Research and Information, reporting in 2004; and the U.S. State Department Report of 2009. They all found that Palestinian textbooks did not preach anti-Semitism.

According to one Israeli journalist, Akiva Eldar, the Center does sloppy work. It “routinely feeds the media with excerpts from ‘Palestinian’ textbooks that call for Israel’s annihilation [without] bothering to point out that the texts quoted in fact come from Egypt and Jordan.”

Nathan Brown, a professor of political science at George Washington University who did his own study on the subject in 2000, said Palestinian textbooks now in use, which replaced older ones published in Egypt and Jordan, do not teach anti-Semitism, but “they tell history from a Palestinian point of view.”

It might very well be that it is this fact that the Zionists cannot abide and purposefully mistake a Palestinian viewpoint for anti-Semitism.

http://consortiumnews.com/2011/08/13/does-israel-teach-anti-arab-bigotry/

[shira]

20. "Hey, look over there!!!"

You're not upset at Hamas for their child abuse WRT training children to be murderers, and you're wrong that it's all due to occupation.

It's due to occupation as much as Hamas' support of Omar Bashir is due to the Blacks of Darfur doing something extra nasty to deserve being genocided.



This is what I mean by anti-Israel folks caring for Palestinians (children) only if Israel can be blamed. Otherwise, none of you give a shit and cannot be bothered. And not only do you not care about Palestinians under Hamas authority, you think 1-state is a good idea in which it's possible Hamas rules over the Jews as well. You won't care about Hamas' victims then either.

It's not about human rights, now is it?

[Jefferson23]

23. Yes, look in the mirror Israel..you got it.

The rest of your post is nonsense, as is typical of you.

[shira]

24. So you believe Israel is just as bad as Hamas WRT training children to hate....

...and motivating them to murder groups of Palestinian innocents?

Your article has nothing to do with anything in this discussion. Even the point about Palestinian textbooks is misleading, as it doesn't mention Palestinian media incitement to hate and murder innocents.

Just another of your many attempts to answer a question with an irrelevant article.

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So why aren't you horrified at Hamas for brainwashing and training Palestinian children to become just like them?

[Jefferson23]

26. The OP I posted is relevant but not so for someone with your mindset...your loss.

Anyone interested can read all the reports from the human rights groups, the expansion of settlements. They can read about
the balance of power that Israel has vs Hamas, militarily and politically and one can connect the dots..it's not a
difficult conflict to understand.

According to you, the Israeli government does not promote a vicious discord with the Palestinians, they're
innocent of all charges. Do not consider all the innocent children who are detained by Israel's government,
and do not expect any group to form and rise up against them.

Keep your focus on how you don't care if Israel is brought to the Hague, that you do not care what
anyone thinks, what any country thinks...keep it up. You excel at it.

[shira]

27. The MB preceded the state of Israel. The grand Mufti al-Husseini worked with Hitler....

...to kill off the Jews. He was part of the MB. Read John Loftus and Matthias Kuntzel, among others, if you didn't know this. And if you don't trust those sources, take it from the spiritual leader of the MB himself:

I don't get how you find settlements and occupation to be the reason Hamas (like al-Qaeda, an offshoot of the MB) wants Jews killed at all costs.

You're giving them a bullcrap excuse for their horrific, genocidal, pro-Nazi ideology.

[Warren Stupidity]

5. So a society that would do such things is an abomination?

http://www.missourimilitaryacademy.org/academics/middleschool/Pages/default.aspx

http://www.rma.edu/

[shira]

11. Yeah, when kids are trained to murder Jews of all stripes. n/t

[moobu2]

9. My cousin sent her 2 sons to military acadamy

and I think they were 11 or 12. somewhere in that area.

[shira]

15. Were they trained to murder innocents of a different ethnicity? n/t

[Scootaloo]

17. Well, given the high rate of civilian-to-target death in US drone strikes...

One wonders.

[shira]

21. You really wonder whether American kids are also trained to be vicious killing bots? n/t

[azurnoir]

32. this military academy would it be in your opinion a legitimate military target for an IAF strike? n/

[shira]

36. It would be at the very least a legit target if kassams and Persian Fajr missiles....

...were being fired into Israel from that position.

That's Hamas' fault, BTW. Not Israel's.

[azurnoir]

39. were missiles being fired from the police academy Israel bombed during a graduation ceremony

at the beginning of OCL?

[shira]

41. The "police" who turned out being almost entirely composed of Hamasniks?

You don't think that was a legit military target?

[azurnoir]

46. they were police cadets and Hamas is the government so once again would you similary excuse

an Israeli attack on this acedemy if not why not as no rockets were being fired from the graduation ceremony either? after all you just labeled these kids killer bots a rather dehumanizing term IMO

[shira]

47. They were Hamas. The Hamas leaders admitted it. Reuters and AP reported it...

I posted this more than 2 years ago:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=124x338062

[azurnoir]

49. that's fine you justified a graduation ceremony being bombed thanks

it sets a precedence of sorts

[shira]

50. Don't pretend anymore that they were just civilian police, okay? n/t

[azurnoir]

51. as far as I am concerned police are police and in the case of Gaza those are the police

there are not military and civilian police but please do keep justifying

[shira]

52. Right. Hamas says they're militants, not civilians. You prefer otherwise. n/t

[azurnoir]

53. do I perhaps you need to reread exactly what I said n/t

[shira]

14. Horrific child abuse. Where are the pro-Palestinian humanitarians here to condemn this? n/t

[delrem]

29. Well, lotta Zionists here consider the remaining Palestinian enclaves "contested territory".

And in fact that seems to be the official Israeli position.

And it sure isn't hard to find Israelis who advocate for Eretz Israel including Samaria and Judea and think that taking the lot, river to sea, is sufficient compromise with the Arab usurpers. The deciding point is, obviously, that the Israelis have the power, and the Israelis are doing the annexations.

It's psych 101 to figure that to live with themselves the Israelis have to demonize the people whose lands they take. And there's certainly no indication from you that you're willing to share, so, well, to use a term that Israel likes to use, an objective observer would have to designate the issue as an "existential" one for the Palestinian population. Unless that observer were to go along with the Israel argument that the Palestinian population quite simply doesn't exist, and never did. That the deed is done.

But it takes a special kind of mind to believe something like that.

In light of this kind of existential threat I think it makes perfect sense that Palestinians teach their children self-defense. In fact... I can't understand why such programs weren't started a long time ago. Generations ago. But better late than never.

[oberliner]

31. Self-defense?

Wow.

Generally speaking, garbage like this from Hamas is opposed by progressives of all stripes (including Palestinians).

[delrem]

43. Exactly.

After all, nobody is demanding that Israel disarm: destroy its nuclear stockpile, its missiles, its f-16s, Apache helicopters, drones, tanks, armored carriers, armored bulldozers, warships, and no doubt I'm missing a lot of equipment, and disband the IDF, the Mossad, and the rest of its military including cadet programs.

You'd be very offended if that were even suggested, wouldn't you? Yet a quick look at successive maps of I/P shows that the Israeli military has been used to progressively snuff out Palestine. On the other hand, I understand your POV, that even rocks in the hands of 12 yr old Palestinians facing armed occupation troops are "terrorist" instruments...

Anyhow here in Canada youth who are so inclined, or looking for adventure a little beyond scouting/guiding, have many military cadet programs, e.g. one I'm very happy to donate to is the Seaforth Highlander cadets.

For a pic of these bright wholesome youths
http://seaforthhighlanders.ca/organization/cadets/

[shira]

35. Hamas teaching self-defense? Is that what it was for the Muslim Brotherhood before 1948?

As I wrote above to Jefferson23, MB ideology is like KKK ideology WRT christianity. The MB leader in what's now Israel pre-1948 was the Hitler's Mufti, al-Husseini. Hamas and al-Qaeda are offshoots of the MB.

They're not about self-defense, so quit deluding yourself.

Hamas has no intention of ever making peace with Israel. They, like the MB and Hitler's grand Mufti want Jews obliterated. If you don't believe that, listen to them. They are very proud of their ideology, quite clear, and they very publicly say so in Arabic. Like all the time, 24-7-365.

[delrem]

42. "Hitler", T, really now...

Nah, you aren't a T. You just want peace.

[shira]

44. As in Hitler's Mufti, yes. As in the spiritual leader of the MB now, still supporting Hitler, yes.

Read John Loftus (former CIA and prosecutor w/ US State Dept)
http://www.educationnews.org/breaking_news/106849.html

Mathias Kuntzel (German scholar/author & political scientist)
http://jcpa.org/phas/phas-kuntzel-s05.htm

Spiritual Leader of MB lauding Hitler's efforts:

Hamas and al-Qaeda are offshoots of the MB. The Grand Mufti al-Husseini (Hitler's Mufti) who was the Palestinians' first leader appointed by the Brits was also MB. Oh, and BTW, Egypt's Morsi who called Jews apes and pigs and also called on Egyptians to nurse their children with hatred of Jews.....also MB. Nice, huh?

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I'm not a "T"? What does that mean? And how can Israel ever make peace with Hitler's henchmen and cheerleaders? Do you think Canada and the US can make real peace with al-Qaeda? When will the EU allow Turkey in as a full member? It's been 50 years now. But it's Israel's fault they can't make peace with Hamas' nazi-lovers?

[delrem]

48. Too bad "ignore" doesn't work as I'd like it to.

Instead of just covering the person on 'ignore', it covers responses as well.

But just to inform you, I'll not be reading any of your posts in future, whether or not they are responses to me. I've had enough.

[Lithos]

54. Locking

Please use the original article from the original news source - eg. http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=300848&R=R3

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