Bennett: No Palestine in ‘God-given’ Land of Israel

[Solindsey]

Naftali Bennett, the leader of the Orthodox, right-wing Jewish Home party, made clear his ideological opposition to relinquishing any parts of the Land of Israel — sovereign Israel, as well as the West Bank — in a peace deal with the Palestinians.

“There is no room in our small but wonderful God-given tract for another state,” Bennett said in a speech that stressed Israel’s Jewish religious heritage as a cornerstone of its society. “It won’t happen. Friends, before every discussion on the territories, we need to declare: ‘The land of Israel belongs to the people of Israel.’ Only then can we start the debate.”

The hard-line statement came a day after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, whose Likud-Yisrael Beytenu faction is in the midst of negotiations with the Jewish Home in an effort to form a coalition, reiterated his support for a two-state solution to the conflict.

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Read more of his stupid drivel at the source.

[jaysunb]

1. Did he mention "which" god gave them the land ?

There seems to be conflicting info on this land grant.....

[Solindsey]

2. Muslims and Jews worship the same God. Ironic? n/t

[Smilo]

3. Idiotic

that the two can't see that the OT is what both religions use.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

7. They do?

I thought that Muslims worship Allah?

[Solindsey]

12. Allah is arabic for God. The same God Abraham worshipped that all 3 major religions stem from.

Jews and Muslims believe in a lot of the same things and have so much in common. At the end of the day, they all worship the same God, yet fight amongst each other endlessly. The irony is so sad.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

16. Not that I want to get into a fight over semantics...

Last edited Wed Feb 13, 2013, 12:49 AM - Edit history (1)

Allah is the name for God in the Koran.

Yaweh (YHWH) or Jehova is the name for god in the Old Testament or ancient times of the Israelites.

Then in the New testament and later you have just God, or Jesus, or those two plus the Holy Ghost, and then there is the baby Jesus, Christmas Jesus, Consumer Jesus (see modern age) and Fat Tuesday Jesus...to be followed shortly by pious Lent Jesus.

On edit: There is also "Jesus, what the hell was I thinking!"

[King_David]

17. Does it disturb you if Jews and Muslims had the same G-D?

Personally I am an atheist.


But both Observant Jews and Muslims believe their is only one G-D.


Muslims believe in the Jewish Prophets too.



Does that disturb you?


Interesting indeed.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

21. Let's dissect what you just wrote, KingD.

"Does it disturb you if Jews and Muslims had the same G-D?"

Let's say there is a shared god between the Muslims and the Jews for shits and giggles. (We may have something in common.)

If they both had the same god then there probably would be no divide within their religion.
Yes, sects and schisms develop over time, but would such a schism develop between Muslim and those of the Jewish faith?
I'm not so sure it would. You?

But both Observant Jews and Muslims believe their is only one G-D.
You can say the same for Christians (Catholics and Protestants). You could also say the same for Buddhism where there is a shared oneness. The difference in the interpretation of that God.

Muslims believe in the Jewish Prophets too.
Yes they do, with a differentiation. Muhammad was considered the "last" prophet by Muslims. Jesus was considered a prophet by Muslims, but not the last. Do those of the Jewish faith see either as their sugar daddy?

Does that disturb you?
Does religion disturb me? No. Not at all.

[King_David]

24. Seems you going to extraordinary lengths to say they do not believe in the same G-d,

I do not want to even debate it.

I agree with the previous poster it is Ironic.

I am not perturbed that Jews and Muslims worship the same G-d ,even if Morsi et al calls us Apes and Pigs.

I am not sure why anyone on this forum would find it disturbing.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

25. On edit.

Are you inebriated?

You seem to have lost the ability to use sentence structure.


Does that help?

[King_David]

27. Great response from R. Daneel Olivaw ' R U Drunk?'

Got any other argument.

Can you add anything substantial.

I do not drink,and by any measure that is rude and disgracefully down low.

Goodbye !

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

28. What you wrote wasn't even cogent.

I'm sure that you at least know how to write in complete sentences.

[King_David]

31. JURY RESULTS

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Wed Feb 13, 2013, 12:04 AM, and voted 2-4 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT and said: The sentiment is fine but there's no reason to be harsh. Just say you disagree.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: It reads like they're all drunk. A new low in petty and tedious. Let 'em sort it out on their own.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

32. Why bother posting it?

The last one was the most humorous: It reads like they're all drunk. A new low in petty and tedious. Let 'em sort it out on their own.

Now do you want to enter into a cogent argument?


On edit: What did you mean by "Goodbye !"

[King_David]

33. Nope I expect civility

even from those who disagree with my point of view.

Asking 'RU Drunk '

Does not meet any standard of debate.

Bye Bye C Ya.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

35. You didn't leave a cogent response.

My apologies if I have offended.

Truly.

I hope that you take this as a formal apology and not a personal attack.

[delrem]

36. I find it disturbing that "God" is an issue in 21st century politics.

I don't believe in or "worship" (gag) any flavor of the Judeo-Christian-Islamic "God".
If someone wants to put up their little alter to Elvis, fine and dandy, but when they then try to hide behind it politically they can put where the sun don't shine.

[LeftishBrit]

37. Indeed. And one can include Christians in the mix as well.

But of course there is frequent sectarian conflict even within a religion: Catholics and Protestants; Sunnis and Shiites; etc.

[Melo01]

19. No

No, The "god" the Muslims worship, Allah , has no son (Jesus ) and there is no trinity
(father,son,,and Holy Spirit)..Abraham worshipped the true God (trinity) and his 1st son Ishmael he had with the maid, Hagar was sent to Egypt where his descendants watered down the true God and hundreds of years later, Muhammed made it a new religion "Islam"

[delrem]

20. uh. ok....

[azurnoir]

29. well myself I've alway liked this one Qur'an 2:62

Qur'an in English .

Yusuf Ali (Amana Edition)
Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

http://www.islamicbookstore.com/books-the-qur-an-holy-qur-an-in-arabic--its-translations-and-commentaries.html

[delrem]

30. Thank you!

Yes, that's a very beautiful passage.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

34. My farther, a Lutheran,

was smart enough to teach me and my brothers that.

Know them by their works.

[Agschmid]

22. Enjoy your stay. n/t

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

26. Bet they don't make 5 posts.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

23. Fat Tuesday brings out the worst and best in some.

[azurnoir]

4. once not all that long ago an outlier

Bennett is now part of the Israeli establishment, which is sad and disturbing for Israel's future

[oberliner]

5. No he's not

Your grasp of Israel's future is tenuous.

[azurnoir]

6. Both Naftali Bennett and Moshe Feiglin are now members of the Knesset

different parties but both extreme RightWingers if that does not give pause then I don't quite know what to say

[delrem]

8. Either oberliner doesn't think the Knesset is part of the Israeli establishment

and that the composition of the Knesset factors into Israel's future, or he/she's in a state of denial, or both.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

11. Perhaps oberliner thinks but won't admit.

[delrem]

14. yes, unfortunately that's even more likely.

[azurnoir]

15. well its kind of par for the course and if it doesn't work

sink the thread quickly

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

9. The land of Israel belongs to the people of Israel.’ Only then can we start the debate.”

At that point the debate is pretty much over.

"All this land belongs to us. Now Fu@k off. We've stolen it fair and square."

[Solindsey]

13. Swap Israel with Palestine in that quote...

...and does it sound any different to what Hamas says regarding the Holy Land? It's all or nothing.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

18. My position in all this is that i do not accept the position of Hamas

or the word of any occupying power.

I only hope that the Palestinian people can rid themselves of the chain oppression and finally come into their own.

There is a lot of "all this land is mine" rhetoric going on, but I believe that two states can co-exist as long as they get rid of the assh*les that want to rule over them.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

10. Did it ever occure to Bennett that God decided to take it away at some point?

[LeftishBrit]

38. Bennett is disgusting...

I hope he has no power in whatever government is agreed.