Gaza police ban street parties ahead of high school exams

[oberliner]

GAZA CITY (Ma'an) -- Police on Saturday started imposing a ban on street parties in the Gaza Strip until high school exams are over.

Police will allow parties in private buildings but not in public areas, Gaza police spokesman Ayoub Abu Shar told Ma'an, adding that residents were temporarily prohibited from using speakers in Gaza streets.

The ban began Saturday and will be in place until school leavers have completed the Tawjihi, the Palestinian high school test, in June, the police spokesman said.

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=594428

[King_David]

1. Sounds more like it should be a city bylaw nt

[delrem]

2. Considering the size and population of Gaza,

and accounting for the 2/3 refugee population and the fact that Gaza is under seige conditions calculated to keep the economy at the most primitive subsistence level that won't lead to mass death, I don't think that some asshole who supports all that should be talking down his nose about "city bylaws".

[King_David]

3. 'I don't think that some asshole who supports all that '

As Pelsar said to you:

pelsar

114. shouldn't you put me on ignore?

when you develop the basic respect for other opinions and refrain from such childish remarks as 'shut up"...and calling other posters names, i.e. basic tolerance and respect for others, then i'll consider answering

in the meantime, put me on ignore....

[King_David]

4. Second time you have called me an asshole, Jury hid the first.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Sun May 12, 2013, 02:53 AM, and voted 2-4 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT and said: Delrem, delrem, delrem...don't call people ASSHOLES. It makes you look like one. You had an argument to make, but you ruined it by getting personal. Also, it's the police in GAZA that are making these rules, not "the Jews" or any external force. But whatever. Don't be rude and don't name call. HIDE.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given

[oberliner]

5. "...the most primitive subsistence level that won't lead to mass death"

Can you seriously believe this?

[King_David]

6. Careful asking such a question ,

You risk being called some kind of expletive or a stinky area of Human Anatomy .

[shira]

7. He figures if he repeats that garbage enough, someone will buy into it. n/t

[delrem]

8. There's some proof:

Wikileaked memo
http://www.aftenposten.no/spesial/wikileaksdokumenter/article3972840.ece#.UY_wCLUqaIo
"1.(S) Since the Hamas takeover, Israel has designated Gaza as a &hostile entity," and maintained an economic embargo against the territory. Under this designation, decisions on shekels in circulation in Gaza and the territorys economy in general are treated by the GOI as security matters, and therefore are subject to the same high levesl of uncertainty that the GOI uses to keep potential sources of security threat off-balance. Israeli officials have confirmed to Embassy officials on multiple occasions that they intend to keep the Gazan economy functioning at the lowest level possible consistent with avoiding a humanitarian crisis. "

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19975211
Israel forced to release study on Gaza blockade
An Israeli court has forced the release of government research detailing the number of calories Palestinians in Gaza need to consume to avoid malnutrition.
"In 2006, Israeli government adviser Dov Weisglass was widely quoted as having said: "The idea is to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger.""

Does that answer your question?

[King_David]

9. Are you now going to call Oberliner

An "asshole" or something like that ?

[delrem]

10. Why would I do that, King_David (tm)?

He asked a straightforward question - not the usual OT diversion - which I was happy to answer.
If oberliner had instead proposed cheap off the cuff advice about how and at what level Gazans should legislate (which he didn't), while at the same time supporting the seige (which he does), I would no doubt respond differently, if I responded at all.

I understand your POV. Your easily hurt feelings, your extreme sensitivity and ability to characterize negative reactions to your posts as product of prejudice, makes this issue like all the rest be all about *you*, your feelings, your sensitivity - and not about the Gazans you opine about.

Anyway, King_David, sure I'll put you on ignore. Consider it done.

[pelsar]

11. ignorance...willful or otherwise.....

calculated to keep the economy at the most primitive subsistence level
only the ignorant or fools believe that, since you wrote it, i guess you believe it


gaza's economy is hardly what your hinting at....do some honest research, not one that has such an obvious emotional driven agenda, if you can.

here I'll help you with your emotional laden response:
Pelsar you such an __________________

[delrem]

13. Hi pelsar! Do you want me to put you on "ignore" too?

Currently I have 2 people on ignore, one at his repeated request, the other because I just couldn't stomach any more of it.

I'm not so sensitive as some. For example, I don't mind that you suggest that I'm an ignorant fool, even tho' that's pretty much the whole content of your post and your post was a response to my citing two sources as proof of my contention.

Here's why I don't mind: because I know that regardless of the extremely low esteem in which you hold me, it is *my remark* that you're characterizing, describing me only secondarily as being of the kind who utters such remarks. If you said "only ignorant foolish assholes believe that" it'd be a trifle more colorful but mean the same.

In any event, although your response is to my own reply to oberliner's direct question to me, where I cited two sources for explanation of why I would say such an "ignorant and foolish" (according as you) thing, you totally fail to address that content.
Is that a product of "willful (or otherwise) ignorance", like the irony of your entire post might be such a product? Who knows....

[pelsar]

14. why would i care if you put me on ignore?......

thats your decision.....

as far as you citing two sources...
1) they have little to do with emotional laden description
calculated to keep the economy at the most primitive subsistence

the problem with posts that are more emotional than factual, is that the poster clearly has a difficult time separating actual facts from their belief. The belief is always stronger than any facts, hence your belief that israel wants gaza to be a primitive subsistence level.

if one were to observe the actual facts of what is being imported, the economy etc your belief would quickly shown to be absurd.

so why dont i have links to show that they have a few new 5 start hotels? that they have new cars on the roads? new buildings going up, the new roads being built...because if a poster is actually interested in really knowing whats happening in gaza, it would take all of 5 seconds to discover it

so why the ignorance?
well for some, the ends justifies the means..i.e. lying is good, if it gets what you want
for others, israel is a sinful country, either at birth or after 67 and doesnt deserve any credit for anything until it repents, and until then should be shown to be sinful, whether true or not.

why your doing it?...who knows, but your emotional posts are a give away.

[delrem]

15. That's right, my sources aren't emotional laden description.

They are factual.
Your description of a thriving Gazan economy, despite the prolonged seige, is ....
OK, I can't fill in the "..." without offending someone, so I won't.

[pelsar]

19. good....your learning.....

Last edited Mon May 13, 2013, 01:34 AM - Edit history (2)

Your description of a thriving Gazan economy, despite the prolonged seige, is OK, I can't fill in the "..." without offending someone, so I won't

so i shall reward you with a few facts, not so much for you, as again, believers are never interested in actual facts, as we see with your posts that seem to constantly use extreme descriptions and emotional words instead of simple descriptions:
__________

the gaza economy: a quick look from various sources
Gaza is now on the rise, boosted by foreign aid.[1]According to the International Monetary Fund, the economy grew 20 percent in 2011, and the per capita gross domestic product increased by 19 percent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Gaza_City

There is no shortage of food in Gaza,
http://www.gisha.org/content-moduls.asp?lang_id=en&p_id=1232


good picts and additional information
A general view of the tunnels used for smuggling goods, including food, fuel, and building materials, along the Gaza-Egypt border in Rafah on Dec. 27, 2012.

Smugglers say their importance is waning: Access to Israeli goods is improving, and the Gazan government has begun regulating the tunnels, sapping profits.
http://images.businessweek.com/photos/2013-01-31/smugglers-tunnels-fuel-gazas-economy#slide2

there are far more specific econ data to be found, unemployment, growth factors etc, the point being that they have a sophisticated economy that hamas is controlling and not israel.

____
that took 15 seconds to find.... gaza is far from being on any "substance level" economy nor is israel pushing for it.....(israel may have even tried...and if so, obviously failed as there never was a food crises)


either your did find them and decided to ignore the information since it doesnt fit what you prefer to know, or you didnt find them....

so which is it? google incompetence or you just dont like facts? (ok that is quite obvious by now, i'm just asking out of habit)
____

its ok, i dont expect a real answer, the real question is what will your emotional reaction be? will you control yourself? let loose with a few choice expletives (&*@#(!#*).....

[azurnoir]

12. well it's not at the most primitive level yet

I mean they aren't knapping flint for tools and apparently do understand the use of fire

[delrem]

16. It's like Alice in Wonderland!

Now I've got pelsar saying that statements:
"Israeli officials have confirmed to Embassy officials on multiple occasions that they intend to keep the Gazan economy functioning at the lowest level possible consistent with avoiding a humanitarian crisis."
and
"The idea is to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger."
don't justify my "emotional laden description" (pelsar) that the siege on Gaza is "calculated to keep the economy at the most primitive subsistence level that won't lead to mass death" (delrem).

Perhaps pelsar doesn't equate "that won't lead to mass death" with "but not to make them (Gazans) die of hunger", or can't see a connection. Perhaps pelsar doesn't equate "the lowest level possible consistent with avoiding a humanitarian crisis" with "the most primitive subsistence level", or can't see a connection.

In Wonderland, in contrast, Gazans are cruising in new cars to 5 star hotels because they're the beneficiaries of a booming construction sector capping a booming economy. Truly a land of lotus blossoms.

[azurnoir]

17. oh but wait there's more

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=41198

taking that into consideration the ability to use fire could be considered nothing short of miraculous again extreme

[delrem]

18. ah yes, the "cultural anthropology" practiced by the superior "illiberal liberal".

I have no doubt that there's a LOT more to come from that source of wisdom.

[pelsar]

20. the basis for yours and others confusion...

first it starts off with two wrong assumptions: both based in the progressive belief:

1)israel has complete control over everything it does:
2) the Palestinians are incompetent and since they are occupied are completely helpless.

both points can be defined as racist, ignorant, insulting, ethnocentric depending upon how one wants to define the words:
______

if you would like to see how wrong you are, simple google gazas economy and you'll get a wealth of information of how the Palestenians are rather resourceful and have control over much of their economy..and how israel infact does not control it, no matter how much they may want to.
_____

google is your friend, but it requires an open mind to get the full picture
_______

as far as your emotional (extreme) responses, used constantly, they have little substance in terms of real descriptions, they're the classic "need to re-enforce my belief" kind of thing. If you avoid the emotional laden words, you'll find your beliefs lack a real foundation. (but thats why their beliefs, beliefs dont always need foundations)

[delrem]

21. wow! that's quite some post!

[oberliner]

23. Here's what global hunger looks like

Though conditions have improved considerably in some, many nations in Asia and sub-Saharan Africa maintain alarming -- and, in some cases, extremely alarming -- rates of widespread hunger among their populations, a new report has shown.

Prepared by the International Food Policy Research Institute (IFPRI), the 2010 Global Hunger Index serves as a multidimensional overview of global hunger. Organizers are proud to note that while the number of hungry people surpassed 1 billion in 2009, that number dipped to 925 million this year -- a small, but considerable, improvement.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/29/worlds-starving-nations-2_n_776150.html#s168485&title=Democratic_Republic_of

[azurnoir]

24. and we're to but ther's places that worse off

so look over there pleeeeeez

and attempts to justify, minimize, and distract have come to be fully expected and really do speak quite eloquently

[oberliner]

22. That's over seven years old

Much has changed since then.

By the way:

Red Cross official: Gaza isn't experiencing a humanitarian crisis

The Gaza Strip is not experiencing a humanitarian crisis, the Israel Defense Forces quoted a Red Cross official as saying on Wednesday.

In an interview conducted by Rotem Caro-Weizman and published on the IDF website, Mathilde Redmatn, deputy director of the Red Cross in the Gaza Strip, said that there "is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza," adding: "If you go to the supermarket, there are products. There are restaurants and a nice beach."

Rather, according to Redmatn, the issue in Gaza was "mainly in maintenance of infrastructure and in access to goods, concrete for example."

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/red-cross-official-gaza-isn-t-experiencing-a-humanitarian-crisis-1.357268

[delrem]

25. That's proof, oberliner, and the siege is over seven years old.

Of course google immediately finds Zionist blogs that support the siege and project a total lie,
http://israelstreet.org/?p=8515

So it's a question who do I believe, the Gazans, the office of the US ambassador to Israel, Dov Weisglass, the Israeli calorie study, all presented in their most unguarded moments, or you, shira, pelsar, mosby when you try to sell more of what was recently called "Belgian chocolate"?

In any event I'm not *debating* you, oberliner, I'm showing you reason why yes, I "serious believe this".

[Shaktimaan]

28. huh?

You just linked to a site that featured photos that entirely disprove your beliefs.
What's the point you're making here?

[delrem]

29. Dear "ignored"

I'm ignoring two people, one at his repeated request, and I doubt is responding here, the other as I explained at the time, because I can't deal with the open support of ethnic cleansing.
So when ignored responds to one of my posts I get a message "you are ignoring this member". That's all I see of it so I hope you realize that it's pointless to address me. Do feel free to use the opportunity to address the forum in general, tho'.

this has been a public service announcement.

[pelsar]

30. so your one of those.......

that believe what some politicians say...vs what actually happens in reality.......

i always found that fascinating: your equating what Wesiglass and other israeli politicians have said about gaza vs what is actually happening in gaza.
___

funny thing about believing what politicians say
1) politics by definition requires lying, manipulation etc. Something every one knows, yet people still quote politicians as if they telling the truth and that it prove something.

2) People quote politicians only when those quotes agree with their point of view, and ignore the same politician when they say something different....

3) believing what a politician says when the environment shows the exact opposite is only done by "believers"....people who believe something and just can't accept that the actual physical facts show differently.....hence they ignore them.
_____

So it's a question who do I believe,
politicians or the actual environment of gaza and how the people live?...apparently you believe politicians.....

[azurnoir]

26. April 21 2013-Gaza farmers burn tons of basil, mint after Israel border shut

Palestinian farmers in Gaza began destroying three tons of herbs last week, saying a prolonged closure of the crossing into Israel meant the plants were no longer fit for export to Europe.

The farmers began exporting herbs to Europe earlier this year, for the first time in five years.
But they say they are unable to reap the fruits of their efforts.

“The project is an ambitious one and it is in its beginnings but the continuous closing of the crossings is affecting the continuity and the success of the project,” said the director of Gaza's communal agriculture association, Jamal Abu Naja.

Last October, Israel lifted a five-year ban on the lucrative export of Gazan herbs and spices, imposed after the Islamist Hamas group seized control of the coastal enclave, and farmers had hoped to cash in with their latest crop of mint and basil.

But Israel shut its sole commercial crossing into the isolated Palestinian territory earlier this month in response to a rocket salvo fired out of Gaza, allowing only a brief reopening to enable the import of certain goods.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/perspective/features/2013/04/21/Gaza-farmers-burn-tons-of-basil-mint-after-Israel-border-shut.html

[Shaktimaan]

27. of course

the fact that they have a mall and swimming pools won't make any dent in delrem's perception of Gaza as purposefully being held at barely subsistence levels, based on a single blurb from seven years ago.

She's right about one thing... it IS evidence.

Evidence that some people will grasp at any available straws to reinforce their own distorted perceptions of reality, regardless of whether there's any objective proof.