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shira

(30,109 posts)
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 03:21 PM Jun 2013

Iran’s president-elect implicated in 1994 Argentina bombing

2006 indictment named Rowhani as part of Khamenei-led panel that authorized attack against the Jewish AMIA center that killed 85


...The 2006 indictment (PDF) names Rowhani as a member of the committee headed by Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei that planned the bombing, the deadliest attack of its kind in Argentinian history. Rowhani’s name in the indictment was first reported by the Washington Free Beacon....

...The specific motivation for the 1994 AMIA bombing, according to the Argentinian prosecutor who investigated the case, was to punish Argentina for suspending its nuclear cooperation with Iran. Once the decision was taken to act against the country, Alberto Nisman, the prosecutor in the case, said, it was a Jewish target that was decided upon — again, a familiar Iranian strategy.

“When they choose to act against a country, the attack is commonly on the Jewish community,” he said. “It’s the first target.”


Speaking with The Times of Israel two weeks ago, soon after he issued a new 500-page report on the bombing and Iran’s wider terrorist infiltration of South America, Nisman said that Tehran had established its terror networks for the strategic long term, ready to be used “whenever it needs them.”


http://www.timesofisrael.com/iranian-president-elect-implicated-in-1994-argentina-bombing/


Cue the terror apologists who will argue Rowhani is really a moderate while Bibi is the hardliner...
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Iran’s president-elect implicated in 1994 Argentina bombing (Original Post) shira Jun 2013 OP
That story is getting interesting but it's not getting much play. bemildred Jun 2013 #1
yep but also of interest here from 5/22/13 azurnoir Jun 2013 #2
Thank you, that was fascinating. bemildred Jun 2013 #3
that last part was quite the twist and a new one on me too azurnoir Jun 2013 #4
Yeah, that's coming from the prosecutor. bemildred Jun 2013 #10
I remember a thread about Kirschner I think being run here a while back azurnoir Jun 2013 #12
Well if this is supposed to affect Syria/Iran/Hezbollah, I don't think that's going to work. bemildred Jun 2013 #14
I doubt it too but ya never know either azurnoir Jun 2013 #15
Yeah, you have to watch out for those cascade effects. bemildred Jun 2013 #20
The Tehran Connection (TIME Magazine 2001) shira Jun 2013 #5
well we knew there'd be something so thank you for bringing this to our attention azurnoir Jun 2013 #7
Yes, knowledge of how "moderate" the new Persian President.... shira Jun 2013 #11
yes because Iran is just exactly like Egypt huh? azurnoir Jun 2013 #13
No one said they're exactly alike... shira Jun 2013 #16
so while your making baseless accusations again can you tell us azurnoir Jun 2013 #17
Why are you so against public knowledge of Rohani's true background? shira Jun 2013 #18
once again was Rohani indicted? Is there a warrant for his arrest? why do you avoid answering that? azurnoir Jun 2013 #19
Interesting...THIS is the "moderate". jessie04 Jun 2013 #6
so this guy is personally responsible ? azurnoir Jun 2013 #8
Just like the Moderate Muslim Brotherhood. n/t shira Jun 2013 #9

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
1. That story is getting interesting but it's not getting much play.
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 04:31 PM
Jun 2013

Too many other things going on, I suppose.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
2. yep but also of interest here from 5/22/13
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 04:48 PM
Jun 2013
In 2006, prosecutor Alberto Nisman formally accused six Iranian officials of orchestrating the suicide-car-bomb attack on the AMIA building. And in November, 2007, under strong pressure from the United States, Interpol issued a Red Notice (an international wanted-persons notice) for Moughnieh and five of the Iranians. Among them are Iran’s serving defence minister Ahmad Vahidi and two presidential hopefuls for this year’s elections – Mohsen Rezai and Ali Fallahijan.

Iran has always denied any involvement in the bombing.

Strange then, that Buenos Aires and Tehran would come to sign a memorandum of understanding to investigate the case. But that is precisely what happened on January 27 this year, when the two governments committed to creating a “truth commission”


http://www.theglobalmail.org/feature/how-a-bomb-reverberates-for-19-years/622/

and it gets better than that too

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
3. Thank you, that was fascinating.
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 05:13 PM
Jun 2013

This is a story I take an interest in, it has an aura about it, and yet that piece told me some new things about all this. And a good read. But I still don't have any idea who did it.

Edit: and I do see there is quite a little argument going on about it, but it's all being mostly ignored internationally.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
4. that last part was quite the twist and a new one on me too
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 05:27 PM
Jun 2013

as to this not getting much attention I read it last night io Ynet who credited the story to a paper called the Washington Free Beacon, which I've never heard of before

Iranian President-elect Hassan Rohani was on the special Iranian government committee that plotted the 1994 bombing of a Jewish community center in Buenos Aires, the Washington Free Beacon reported Thursday. The bombing left 85 people dead and hundreds wounded.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4394839,00.html

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
10. Yeah, that's coming from the prosecutor.
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 06:59 PM
Jun 2013

He is running one of the two wildly different narratives on this thing. It's pretty elaborate, but mostly circumstance and hearsay. OTOH, I don't find the counter-narratives very convincing either. The piece you linked has some leaps of faith and appeals to circumstance too.

I was googling around about it, and what I saw was some Israeli sites, some Argentine sites, some "specialized" sites like you mention, and not much else, which is why I say it's not being picked up. I could see it getting a lot more play in a slow news week, but with al the "scandals" and the wars in the Middle East, etc., not so much.

I've been interested in it almost since I've been meddling in I/P down here, it just reeks of strangeness and contention, wild charges and counter-charges and investigators being investigated and judges being investigated and whatnot. Popcorn material. Spook stuff.

I had not known of the Kirschner's involvements in it, or seen that quote from Christina.

The entire fuss about the new report was new to me too, all this has been going on and I didn't know.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
12. I remember a thread about Kirschner I think being run here a while back
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 07:03 PM
Jun 2013

but not all too much since then, as for the wars going on in the ME especially Syria I think this could be spun into that somehow, but then again IMO the Wests involvement in that especially the US involvement is really a proxy war against Iran with the Syrian people being the victims

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
14. Well if this is supposed to affect Syria/Iran/Hezbollah, I don't think that's going to work.
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 07:13 PM
Jun 2013

Much bigger stuff at stake than an old bombing in an age of bombings.

Don't get me started on Syria. What a mess. It's a lose-lose if I ever saw one. Whatever you do, it's going to be wrong.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
15. I doubt it too but ya never know either
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 07:29 PM
Jun 2013

and Syria there is no good answer or guy in the conflict there only bad and worse

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
20. Yeah, you have to watch out for those cascade effects.
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 07:38 AM
Jun 2013

Like when some guy shoots himself in Tunisia and the Middle East crumbles into chaos. The "black swans", which most of the time I think are really phase changes in chaotic systems caused by loss of equilibrium, the transition to a new (more or less) stable form under new conditions, like water becoming ice or vice versa, all those little molecules deciding to clump together now because it's cold. I think it works like that with human societies too, sometimes. Like when the USSR collapsed. I think the USA might well collapse the way its going, we are on the way there now, and DC can't even hardly admit it has a problem. All this secrecy is just an admission that they are afraid of the truth, and that is a bad place to be.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
5. The Tehran Connection (TIME Magazine 2001)
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 06:24 PM
Jun 2013
According to Western intelligence and Iranian dissident sources, decisions to assassinate opponents at home or abroad are made at the highest level of the Iranian government: the Supreme National Security Council. The top political decision-making body is chaired by Rafsanjani and includes, among others, Fallahian, Velayati and Ali Khamenei, who succeeded Khomeini as the revolution's spiritual guide in 1989. The council's secretary, parliamentary ; vice president Hassan Rouhani, was recently quoted in the Iranian newspaper Ettela'at, [font color = "red"]vowing that Iran "will not hesitate to destroy the activities of counterrevolutionary groups abroad."
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Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,164031,00.html#ixzz2WnWmg4BX

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
7. well we knew there'd be something so thank you for bringing this to our attention
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 06:42 PM
Jun 2013

now the war drums against Iran can continue unimpeded, but I must ask did you pick ToI to give the site more traffic or because Ynet named the original source?

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
11. Yes, knowledge of how "moderate" the new Persian President....
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 07:02 PM
Jun 2013

...is can now be considered beating the drums of war against Iran. Knowledge is power.....or not.

It's best to pretend he's moderate, like pretending the MB of Egypt (or Tunisia) was moderate. That pretense has worked out so well...



azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
13. yes because Iran is just exactly like Egypt huh?
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 07:06 PM
Jun 2013

thanks again though as I said we knew there would be something and you provided it as I guessed someone would

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
16. No one said they're exactly alike...
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 07:35 PM
Jun 2013

But like then, you and your apologist friends are trying real hard to defend the worst of the worst.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
17. so while your making baseless accusations again can you tell us
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 07:36 PM
Jun 2013

is Rohani actually being indicted? Is there a warrant for his arrest?

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
18. Why are you so against public knowledge of Rohani's true background?
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 08:03 PM
Jun 2013

Last edited Thu Jun 20, 2013, 08:33 PM - Edit history (1)

Seems you're against any "demonizing" (translated: criticism) of radical, extreme religious fanatical leadership. It appears better to pretend they're all moderate, from Iran to the MB....

Why?

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
19. once again was Rohani indicted? Is there a warrant for his arrest? why do you avoid answering that?
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 08:36 PM
Jun 2013

and who says I;m against the public knowing oh yeah you

 

jessie04

(1,528 posts)
6. Interesting...THIS is the "moderate".
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 06:26 PM
Jun 2013

I hope they have enough soap in Iran to get the blood off his hands.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
8. so this guy is personally responsible ?
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 06:46 PM
Jun 2013

do you think he did it or what or is it anyone in the Iranian government at the time?

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