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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Mon Feb 6, 2012, 08:05 PM Feb 2012

U.S. Says Palestinian Deal ‘Internal’ Matter

By Agence France-Presse
Monday, February 6, 2012 16:32 EST

WASHINGTON — The United States Monday remained on the sidelines over a deal signed between Hamas and Fatah to end a long-running discord between rival Palestinian movements, saying it was an internal affair.

“As we’ve said many times, questions of Palestinian reconciliation are an internal matter for Palestinians,” said US State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland.

The accord signed in Qatar was welcomed by officials from both Palestinian movements, but Israel warned Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas to choose between reconciliation with Hamas and making peace with the Jewish state.

Nuland highlighted that Hamas, an Islamist group which runs the Gaza Strip, was considered a terrorist organization by Washington and stressed the US expectations of the Palestinian leadership “have not changed.”

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The U.S. position does not include recognition of Israel Jefferson23 Feb 2012 #1
How are you extrapolating that? Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #2
How did I extrapolate what..the quote? Jefferson23 Feb 2012 #3
Really? Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #4
Yea, you're confused. Jefferson23 Feb 2012 #5
Well since we are splitting hairs, what is Abbas on the record as saying Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #6
I'm not splitting hairs. Jefferson23 Feb 2012 #7
So, if Abbas has already signaled recognition Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #8
ah so you are saying that the Hamas Charter will supercede the PLO/PA? azurnoir Feb 2012 #10
Time will tell. Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #11
"They are the elected body" would you explain that further? azurnoir Feb 2012 #12
This again? Really? Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #13
well I am glad to see you got it right this time azurnoir Feb 2012 #14
When our clinically insane politicians start calling Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #15
the equivalency was in the concept of what constitutes a peoples leadership azurnoir Feb 2012 #16
I'll repeat, my comment was that for now it appears, based on Jefferson23 Feb 2012 #17
Interesting because Abbas is not dealing with Hamas in Gaza azurnoir Feb 2012 #9

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
1. The U.S. position does not include recognition of Israel
Mon Feb 6, 2012, 08:29 PM
Feb 2012

as a Jewish state..or so it appears.

“Any Palestinian government must unambiguously and explicitly commit to non-violence. It must recognize the state of Israel and it must accept the previous agreements and obligations between the parties, including the road map,” she said.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
3. How did I extrapolate what..the quote?
Mon Feb 6, 2012, 11:14 PM
Feb 2012

Obama's statement on the issue did not and has not been for the Palestinians
to accept Israel as a Jewish state as a precondition to any peace settlement.

The quote from the above OP is in keeping with that position.

US State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland.“Any Palestinian government must unambiguously and explicitly commit to non-violence. It must recognize the state of Israel and it must accept the previous agreements and obligations between the parties, including the road map,” she said.

What opposite day are you referring to?

Ruby the Liberal

(26,217 posts)
4. Really?
Mon Feb 6, 2012, 11:57 PM
Feb 2012

US Dept of State: "It must recognize the state of Israel"

You: "The U.S. position does not include recognition of Israel as a Jewish state..or so it appears"

The issue is that Hamas' charter calls for no recognition of Israel as a legitimate state, Jewish or otherwise.

So yeah, color me confused as to what point you are making?

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
5. Yea, you're confused.
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 12:19 AM
Feb 2012

Our position and Bibi's are different. Israel wants recognition as a Jewish state is relatively
a new position and one we do not accept as a precondition for a peace settlement...that
is the difference.

The reconciliation of Hamas and Fatah has just been announced, we'll see how and in
what capacity Hamas survives.

This is issue is not only about Hamas, Abbas will not recognize Israel as a Jewish state
as a precondition to a peace agreement.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,217 posts)
6. Well since we are splitting hairs, what is Abbas on the record as saying
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 12:22 AM
Feb 2012

he will recognize Israel as?

(Sorry to end a question with a preposition - but hoping to get a current quote on this if you have one)

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
7. I'm not splitting hairs.
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 12:31 AM
Feb 2012

It is important to recognize that Obama will not allow Bibi, at least so far..why I said
it appears..to high jack another excuse to delay a peace agreement with preconditions
of Jewish recognition for Israel.

For Abbas to accept this before borders, land swaps agreed to, would be unacceptable
for several reasons...right of return issue and there are over a million Arabs living in Israel,
this is a legitimate concern..not hair splitting.

Abbas has already recognized the state of Israel.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,217 posts)
8. So, if Abbas has already signaled recognition
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 01:44 AM
Feb 2012

and is maintaining that in the face of the Hamas charter, whats the problem.

What are you looking for and yet not finding?

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
10. ah so you are saying that the Hamas Charter will supercede the PLO/PA?
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 02:23 AM
Feb 2012

as it was the PLO/PA that recognized Israel well over a decade ago

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
12. "They are the elected body" would you explain that further?
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 02:37 AM
Feb 2012

as there are several "bodies" in the Palestinian government

Ruby the Liberal

(26,217 posts)
13. This again? Really?
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 02:48 AM
Feb 2012
In the January 2006 Palestinian parliamentary elections Hamas won a decisive majority in the Palestinian Parliament defeating the PLO-affiliated Fatah party. Following the elections, the United States and the EU halted financial assistance to the Hamas-led administration. In March 2007 a national unity government, headed by Prime Minister Ismail Haniya of Hamas, was briefly formed, but this failed to restart international financial assistance. Tensions over control of Palestinian security forces soon erupted into the 2007 Battle of Gaza, after which Hamas retained control of Gaza while its officials were ousted from government positions in the West Bank. Israel and Egypt then imposed an economic blockade on Gaza, on the grounds that Fatah forces were no longer providing security there.

-snip-

In late December 2008, Israel attacked Gaza, withdrawing its forces from the territory in mid-January 2009. After the Gaza War, Hamas continued to govern the Gaza strip and Israel maintained its economic blockade. On May 4, 2011, Hamas and Fatah announced a reconciliation agreement that provides for "creation of a joint caretaker Palestinian government" prior to national elections scheduled for 2012. As part of that agreement, Hamas' resistance would be peaceful and not military, according to Israeli news reports.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
14. well I am glad to see you got it right this time
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 02:53 AM
Feb 2012

if memory serves last time you claimed that Hamas was elected "leaders" of the Palestinian people which is no more true that Republicans being elected the leaders of the US

Ruby the Liberal

(26,217 posts)
15. When our clinically insane politicians start calling
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 03:01 AM
Feb 2012

for the utter demolition of a sovereign nation (ie, their right to exist), I will welcome the comparison. This would be false equivalency.

So, until then...

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
16. the equivalency was in the concept of what constitutes a peoples leadership
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 03:12 AM
Feb 2012

however apparently in your opinion when it is the Palestinians the leadership position goes to the most extreme voice, but I am sure you'll say that goes for anybody
however right now it is the Palestinian leadership hat is being discussed

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
17. I'll repeat, my comment was that for now it appears, based on
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 01:56 PM
Feb 2012

her quote, the US position is not accepting Bibi's precondition for
a peace settlement..I don't want to see Obama alter that.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
9. Interesting because Abbas is not dealing with Hamas in Gaza
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 02:20 AM
Feb 2012

but with Khalid Mashaal, who has not been in Gaza for over a decade and says he is leaving the Hamas government

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