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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 07:40 PM Nov 2013

Israel Says Separation Wall Will Be Border

Negotiators tell Palestinian officials they will not get a state based on 1967 borders, Israeli reports say.

05 Nov 2013 14:43

Israeli negotiators have told their Palestinian counterparts that the Separation Wall that cuts through the occupied West Bank will serve as the border of a future Palestinian state, local media reports said.

Just hours before US Secretary of State John Kerry's arrival for top-level talks on ongoing direct peace negotiations on Tueaday, two press reports said the Israeli team had made the proposal.

"Israel's opening position was that the border be the route of the separation barrier [wall], and not the 1967 lines as the Palestinians have demanded," public radio said in a report, which also featured in the top-selling Yediot
Aharonot.

Since talks resumed in late July, the Palestinians have repeatedly complained about Israel's lack of clarity on the issue of borders.

The Palestinians insist the talks be based on the lines that existed before the 1967 Six Day War, when Israeli seized and occupied Gaza, the West Bank and Arab east Jerusalem.

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http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/11/israel-says-separation-wall-will-be-border-201311514132609960.html
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Violet_Crumble

(35,954 posts)
6. Surely even the State Department can't be surprised by this...
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 10:09 PM
Nov 2013

I mean, there's only so much head in sand I can take from them....

I was in the I/P forum when they started building that wall, and the big line then, both from the Israeli govt and posters here, was that in no way was it defining a future border and could be easily taken down when a peace agreement was negotiated...

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
4. If our electeds actually had any balls they would give Nutty a year to divest Israel of the
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 09:28 PM
Nov 2013

West bank or be cut off from all future US aid.

Fuck Nuttyyahoo. This is a sick maneuver to just keep the pain going.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
5. "Arab east Jerusalem" is where the Jewish Quarter is located
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 10:00 PM
Nov 2013

That's where the Jewish Quarter is right?

Of course, before the 1967 Six Day War, Gaza and the West Bank were already occupied - by Egypt and Jordan.

Why was no independent Palestinian state established there during that nearly 20 year occupation?

sabbat hunter

(6,825 posts)
7. I have often asked that same question
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 11:08 PM
Nov 2013

but regardless, Israel should pull out of the entire west bank, sans the old city of Jerusalem and the immediate environs. No wall along the border of the WB/Palestine and Jordan (unless Jordan builds in on their own land, which would be their right).

If I had my way, Israel would pull out unilaterally along the lines above.

As for the question you posted, it is because back then they did not care about the plight of the Palestinians, only destroying Israel. Hell Jordan even annexed the West Bank at one point.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
8. Why do kids love the taste of cinnamon toast crunch?
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 11:39 PM
Nov 2013

Surely as relevant a question, and one more puzzling to the world, as cinnamon toast crunch tastes like a cross between moist cardboard and an air freshener.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
16. Relevancy is kind of my point
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 12:01 PM
Nov 2013

Topic: Israel declares its "security wall" to be the border.
Your question: Why didn't Egypt and Jordan create a Palestinian state prior to 1967?

I'm going to guess that you don't actually have anything in defense of Israel's declaration, so you're trying to create a diversion to talk about how awful Arabs must be.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
18. Paragraph five excerpted in the OP
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 02:02 PM
Nov 2013

There is nothing about cinnamon toast crunch in the OP, however, paragraph five specifically references the items that I responded to.

There is no "diversion" being created. I wholeheartedly welcome anyone with anything about the OP to please respond and share their thoughts.

And I certainly don't think Arabs are awful. I find that to be a bigoted and disgusting statement.

My comments, as I thought was obvious, have to do with exactly the topic of the article in the OP. Namely, what should the border between a future Palestinian state look like with respect to Israel.

In particular, how to deal with the fact that East Jerusalem (which is claimed as an essential part of said state by many Palestinians) contains many sites that are sacred to Jews (such as the Jewish Quarter of East Jerusalem) - and that were treated disrespectfully during the Jordanian occupation of same.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
19. The question you posed is simply not relevant, Oberliner
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 02:49 PM
Nov 2013

And is in fact, a diversion, intended to place blame on Jordan and Egypt, while deflecting from the duplicity of Israel's "negotiations" that is the topic at hand.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
9. wasn't that the plan all along
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 11:44 PM
Nov 2013

at least Israel's but it's nice to see Bibi has concluded the Peace talks

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