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Last month, Israel ended a 20-month boycott of the United Nations Human Rights Council when Israeli officials participated in the Universal Periodic Review, a process where every UN member state has their human rights record reviewed before the council. The process is designed to ensure equal treatment for every country by assessing each country based on the same body of international law. Yet, at the opening of Israels review session on October 29, Israels permanent representative to the United Nations, Ambassador Eviatar Manor, declared, The unfair treatment of Israel must come to an end.
To be clear, the international community is not treating Israel unfairly; Israel is simply being treated and recognized as the persistent human rights violator that it is. The deep-rooted notion of Israeli exceptionalism inherent in Ambassador Manors statement is consistently used to delegitimize any international criticism of Israels serious human rights violations against Palestinians.
If Israel wants improved standing in the international community, its leaders must take responsibility for what is truly exceptional: a 46-year-old military occupation where systemic discrimination and persistent human rights violations are deeply entrenched and impunity reigns.
In the West Bank, there are two separate legal systems operating in the same territory and the sole factor in determining which laws apply to a person are his or her nationality and ethnicity. Israeli military law, which fails to ensure and denies basic and fundamental rights, is applied to the Palestinian population, including men, women and children; while Israeli settlers living in the West Bank are subject to the Israeli civilian and criminal legal system. Aside from the blatant violation of universal non-discrimination guarantees, why is this unique?
shira
(30,109 posts)Last edited Sat Nov 16, 2013, 03:01 PM - Edit history (1)
Hot mic catches UN interpreter saying anti-Israel votes are 'a bit much'
Note the laughing in the background. Even UN delegates understand the bullshit is thick there.
Comments at 972:
- passed more resolutions against Israel than the rest of the world combined.
- employs clearly biased special rapporteurs
- has Israel (and only Israel) as a permanent item on the agenda
- recently had the following countries become members that sit in judgement of Israel: China, Cuba, Russia, and Saudi Arabia
The reason why Israeli leaders dismiss criticism from such a body as hypocritical and transparently biased is because it is. If you expect Israelis to take such bodies seriously perhaps these bodies should first at least display a modicum of objectivity rather than being platforms for the persecution of Israel by the automatic majority the Palestinians and their supporters enjoy in such bodies.
Some of those might not even pretend to be democratic states, but I have yet to see how universal humanitarian principles should be applied in such a way as to give all these horrendous violators of human rights a pass while singling out Israel.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)is that the US is now included as being along the same lines as Saudi Arabia, Iran, China, Russia guess $3,000,000,000+ per year doesn't buy much luv, especially not when there's these guys named Obama and Kerry........
shira
(30,109 posts)By Ron Kampeas March 19, 2013 10:47am
(JTA) The Obama administration refused to participate in a U.N. Human Rights Council meeting on Israeli settlements and slammed the body for its "disproportionate" focus on Israel.
Read more: http://www.jta.org/2013/03/19/news-opinion/united-states/u-s-rips-u-n-human-rights-council-for-disproportionate-israel-focus#ixzz2krjZ8HB7
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)seem to want to deny now, don't you believe what you post?
shira
(30,109 posts)shira
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On 20 June 2007, Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon issued a statement that read: "The Secretary-General is disappointed at the council's decision to single out only one specific regional item given the range and scope of allegations of human rights violations throughout the world."[68]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Human_Rights_Council
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)so apparently Israel takes them seriously, and IMO I'll look forward to what Israel says and does there
shira
(30,109 posts)Israel was also promised (who knows if they'll get it) full membership on the Western Nations and Others group, as well as help against being the only special repeat item on every HRC meeting.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)I think what any DUers support for the UN speaks volumes about is that they're not some nutty RW type and that they support multilateralism and the spirit of the UN Charter...
shira
(30,109 posts)...like Russia, China, Cuba, Saudi Arabia, and Vietnam to its Human Rights Commission.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)And WTF is wrong with Cuba? I know American RWers hate it, but this is DU, isn't it?
shira
(30,109 posts)Tell me something, is Cuba the model of a secular democracy you have in mind for Israel and other nations that don't quite cut it in your view?
I'm asking before I take a few seconds to google "human rights violations in Cuba" for you.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)Or did I miss the memo saying they aren't...
No, I neither support or don't support Cuba. I think it's fucking mindless to treat countries like they're football teams to be supported. I just find it pathetic how some Americans live in the past with all the commies under the bed crap when most other countries in the world accept Cuba just like any other country...
I take it that you have no problems with secular democracies committing human rights violations. Don't worry. For DUers who oppose human rights violations no matter who does it, I'll take a few seconds to google "human rights violations United States" and "human rights violations Israel", which makes more sense than you trying to relive the Cold War...
shira
(30,109 posts)You'd never ask that of Israel or the USA, so why Cuba? And it's not Rightwingers who have a problem with Cuba's violations:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/09/28/remarks-president-open-questions-roundtable
From HRW:
So yeah, it's problematic that Cuba is elected to judge other nations' human rights situations.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)After all, human rights abusers aren't a good thing to have on it. And Israel abuses the human rights of Palestinians, so that counts them out. Now let's work together on getting rid of the others, except for Cuba, where you still haven't shown any actual human rights abuses. Given the US weirdness about Cuba, and that you've told me many times HRW are a bunch of liars, have you got anything actually trustworthy to point to?
shira
(30,109 posts)...to be on such commissions, not closed, authoritarian, theocratic, fascist dictatorships that oppose people's freedoms and work to deny people civil rights.
This isn't rocket science.
Well....maybe it is for you. Since it's apparent you lack even the most basic understanding of the world, free countries vs. closed ones, maybe it's best we wrap it up here.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)Oh-kay. Most people at DU I know oppose human rights abuses no matter who commits them, and don't tend to fall in line behind the RW 'It's fine because it's a secular democracy that's bringing freedom and joy to the world!' mindset...
I always get a bit of a chuckle when you try to talk down to me about things like international relations...
bemildred
(90,061 posts)An effort to prove that election to the UNHRC was an award for good behavior.
Which, once proven, naturally means all the current members must have got there for their good behavior.
And anybody not elected must have some issues.
Which is just ludicrous.
The problem is that the original assumption, that it's an award, is OBVIOUSLY wrong.
But I do agree with Shira that Israel should be there too.
shira
(30,109 posts)The problem is they're not, and the only reason is bigotry.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)And that most certainly does seem to indicate some bias against them. And as we both know, people will disagree about whether those biases are merited, arguing vehemently at times.
But I was pointing out that the premise that is was some sort of award is wrong. If you want to complain about their focus on Israel, at least there you have an argument. I suggest you stick with that.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)Though I notice she's virulently opposed to Cuba being on the Council, which does come across as quite a double standard considering she wants Israel on the Council...
Personally I don't give a shit who's on it. It's not like it actually does anything other than generate reports...
shira
(30,109 posts)...and go down the list from there, from worst to first.
And you don't oppose human rights abuses no matter who commits them. The UN is supposed to work for universal human rights and they don't do so when they're passing far more country-specific resolutions condemning Israel than against the rest of the world's worst regimes combined.
Here's Kofi Annan calling bullshit on you:
On 20 June 2007, Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon issued a statement that read: "The Secretary-General is disappointed at the council's decision to single out only one specific regional item given the range and scope of allegations of human rights violations throughout the world."[68]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Human_Rights_Council
I wish you'd quit with the bullshit.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)suddenly it's BS
shira
(30,109 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)and may I add that the US has also been voted in during that time
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)when John Bolton was the US ambassador but here is more from your link-
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)All that nonsense about how it's different if it's secular democracies committing human rights violations. That'd be the bit.
btw, apart from you having no idea at all about how the Human Rights Council works, and having some stupid idea that membership is a reward, you also don't seem to be aware that me and Kofi Annan (who I'm sure you've probably labelled an anti-Semite at some point in the past) don't know each other and he doesn't call bullshit on me. What that is is you, who's the last person to be talking about human rights, using someone you've probably attacked in the past to hide behind to fling their opinion at me. I know this will fry yr brain, but I don't have a problem with what Kofi Annan said. I have a problem with twits who obsess over Israel behaving as though Israel's a great bastion of human rights and only attacking the human rights records of other countries to do some weird 'But look! Israel's better than that country!!' argument that always falls flat on its face...
Sorry, but when I see bullshit, I tend to respond to it, which explains why I've been responding to so many of yr posts today...
shira
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You don't even see a problem with Cuba's human rights, you think Israel is actually worse, but you claim to support Universal Human Rights around the globe.
Riiiiight.
Israel isn't perfect, it makes mistakes, and deserves to be called out on them. But if the UN were doing its job, it would be passing 100x the number of resolutions condemning other nations that are FAR worse than Israel.
But you don't support that kind of UN.
You support the UN as it currently stands. It doesn't even work to protect Palestinian rights outside of Israel when Jews cannot be blamed.
But you have no problem with such a UN.
Speaks volumes.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)It's been explained to you multiple times now, but you seem intent on ignoring it. Rather than pointlessly repeat myself knowing that you won't read it or digest it, here's the link to where I last told you how silly and reactionary that support or hate thing is
http://www.democraticunderground.com/113450963#post28
I think yr hatred of Cuba is just really bizarre and OTT. I asked you for proof that they're one of the worst human rights offenders in the world and you produced some guff from the US govt, which is out of step with the rest of the world when it comes to Cuba anyway and really can't be considered trustworthy.
Israel merely 'makes mistakes'? The building of settlements on occupied territory and the treatment of Palestinians over the past few decades isn't merely a minor mistake. What Israel has committed is human rights violations on an ongoing and big scale.
Really? According to you I have no criticism of the UN as it currently stands? What would I do without you to correct me on what I think? Thanks, Shira!
shira
(30,109 posts)Here's Ban Ki Moon from Aug 2013:
http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/un-ban-ki-moon-did-not-mean-to-retract-statement-on-anti-israel-bias/2013/08/27/
That indicates a big problem, but as I understand it you're incapable of acknowledging it.
As to Cuba, I also quoted from HRW, an organization whose criticism of Israel you've used many times. Whether I believe they're credible is irrelevant b/c on Israel you believe they're extremely credible. So why not Cuba?
But it's funny you think I hate Cuba. Am I to understand that someone who has big problems with a country's human rights situation is automatically a hater? That would apply to you since your animosity towards Israel dwarfs whatever feelings I have toward Cuba.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)Here's what you said: 'You support the UN as it currently stands.'
That's what I addressed. I'll translate that into normal person language as 'You have no criticism of the way the UN works'. And I'm suggesting that instead of just making up stuff and bellowing at others that you know how they think better than they do, you do the normal person thing and ask them. If you'd asked me, which you shouldn't have needed to if you'd bothered reading the other post you just replied to, you'd discover that I am indeed critical of the way the UN Security Council is set up. But it doesn't turn me into a slavering and rage-filled ball of hating the UN. When I've discussed things like that at DU, I talk about things like the difficulties that are inbuilt into the UN that would make it virtually impossible for change and what should be done to fix it. I don't do the 'OMG! The UN is so bigoted and evil!' routine, which is why you wouldn't notice my criticism if the subject came up. Plus you don't do the GD thing, which is where such conversations are likely to occur...
You included Cuba alongside Saudi Arabia as one of the worst human rights abusers in the world. You've shown nothing to back that up. And it's hypocritical of you to flash something that doesn't even prove that from HRW when you've spent so many posts here condemning HRW as liars and anti-Semites.
Just showing you how yr 'logic' when it comes to Israel works in reverse. If it's good enough for you, why can't other people do it?
shira
(30,109 posts)Last edited Mon Nov 18, 2013, 12:04 AM - Edit history (4)
Ban Ki Moon claims the UN lies and discriminates against Israel. I take it you disagree? Moon also unleashed against the UN's special Palestinian rapporteur Richard Falk's 911 wingnut conspiracy nonsense. And then there's Falk's anti-Jew bigotry that he's been called out on. He's an outright embarrassment to the UN.
Cuba denies basic civil rights, including freedom of expression. No better than other closed, totalitarian societies where there is no freedom, no civil liberties we westerners take for granted. I don't understand how a progressive would be an apologist for that. Like I wrote previously, it seems you're in need of a lesson or two distinguishing b/w western style democracies and totalitarian regimes. In no way can any western style democracy honestly be compared to a totalitarian regime. But you believe such an argument can be made. I find that fascinating to behold on a liberal board.
sabbat hunter
(6,828 posts)that human rights abuses by secular democracies should be overlooked at all. To me the UNHRC loses all credibility when it has nations on it that are among the worst for abuses and they never get criticized by the body while other nations (in this case Israel) are constantly a target.
Israel is FAR from perfect, but they are also FAR from the worst in the world.
King_David
(14,851 posts)You mean that homophobic anti human rights island that imprisons their own people?
That's the Cuba your talking about?
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)Except the US isn't an island. This may come as a shock but many countries imprison their own people. Got anything that shows that Cuba is on a par with Saudi Arabia when it comes to human rights abuses?
btw, I noticed that you posted two responses to my post within a few minutes of each other. Unless yr trying to inflate yr post count, there's this thing called the edit button where you can add or remove things from yr post after you've posted it. If yr confused, ask Shira. She's very familiar with how to use it...
King_David
(14,851 posts)It was an iPhone moment.
King_David
(14,851 posts)The UNHRC is obsessed with the Jewish state and not in a good or fair way.
The UNHRC is a joke and it's way past it's "best by " date that should be put out to Pasteur .
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)On Friday, the U.N.'s Human Rights Council took a critical step forward for human rights by recognizing that lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) people around the world struggle against violence and discrimination every day and deserve protection from such abuses. On the closing day of the Council meeting in Geneva, members adopted, for the first time ever, a resolution condemning violence and discrimination against those who are LGBT. It is the first U.N. resolution to focus solely on LGBT persons.
The U.S. cosponsored the resolution, which was introduced by South Africa, and worked to secure its passage by the Human Rights Council. The Obama administration deserves credit for once again demonstrating its commitment to the understanding that protections for those who are LGBT are human rights. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton released the following statement in response to passage of the resolution:
Today's landmark resolution affirms that human rights are universal. People cannot be excluded from protection simply because of their sexual orientation or gender identity. The United States will continue to stand up for human rights wherever there is inequality and we will seek more commitments from countries to join this important resolution.
In addition to condemning human rights abuses against those who are LGBT, the resolution will also commission the first-ever U.N. report on the challenges that LGBT people face around the world. Indeed, the challenges are daunting. Homosexuality remains "criminal" in dozens of countries around the world, and LGBT people are vulnerable to serious human rights abuses, including state-sanctioned executions. Twenty-three of the 42 countries voting on the U.N. resolution opposed the measure, including Nigeria, Uganda, Saudi Arabia and other countries in which homophobia is widespread and LGBT persons are subject to endemic persecution.
https://www.aclu.org/blog/human-rights-lgbt-rights/un-human-rights-council-lgbt-rights-are-human-rights
King_David
(14,851 posts)Twenty-three of the 42 countries voting on the U.N. resolution opposed the measure, including Nigeria, Uganda, Saudi Arabia and other countries in which homophobia is widespread and LGBT persons are subject to endemic persecution.
Lets see if they sanction those repressive backward territories and states in the Middle East...ever.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)It is precisely the human rights abusers you want there, they are the ones that need to talk about the issue.
shira
(30,109 posts)...by blaming others.
jessie04
(1,528 posts)thats the most amazingly b******* post I have ever read.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)Maybe you should learn about this thing called international relations?
aranthus
(3,385 posts)Negotiations don't achieve anything unless there is something to back them up. You aren't going to persuade rights abusing governments that they should do the right thing, unless they believe that it is in their interest. And since they are abusive because it is in their interest, that means that you aren't going to persuade them out of it at all unless you either offer them something that they want more in exchange or threaten them if they don't comply. And since the interest that compels abuse is the maintenance of their power, good luck with that. Which is why every UN or other governmental human rights organization ends up being an exercise in game playing, white washing the worst abusers, and propaganda attacks on those countries that the majority doesn't like.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Not just when you think you will get something. If you don't want to talk, you don't want peace.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)And here's the thing. Those who are getting all outraged about other countries (I'm still WTF about Cuba being singled out) would be the same folk doing victory laps and posting glowing praise if Israel was on it....
Don't get me started on negotiations and their pointlessness. I immediately think of Israel and its settlement construction and Israel thinking that's something to back up their intentions for peace with
bemildred
(90,061 posts)That's where they belong. It is not a police organization, it's a forum to discuss human rights.
And I am fully aware the idea will cause some cognitive disconnect down here.
aranthus
(3,385 posts)They aren't there to discuss human rights. They are there to prevent any serious discussion or action about their own violations of human rights, and to direct the energy of the counsel against governments that they don't like. They have been very successful about this which is what makes these commissions such a joke and an insult to those who suffer.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)aranthus
(3,385 posts)That makes no sense at all.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)I usually interperet such outraged bleats as, well, outraged bleats.
aranthus
(3,385 posts)In post 17, I said that you were wrong. How is that name calling? In post 29, all I did was point out that your position is naïve. That isn't name calling. So what are you talking about?
bemildred
(90,061 posts)aranthus
(3,385 posts)Diversion I mean. You've managed to side step the argument and put up a front of being insulted at the same time (completely false, but well played). While I don't think much of the method, I do respect the ability. Nevertheless, your diversion only proves that you don't have any kind of substantive response.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Neither did you offer anything to support your claim, because there is no support for that claim.
Calling people who disagree with you "naive" is an insult, not an argument. At least when I insult someone, I know it.
sabbat hunter
(6,828 posts)they just point the fingers elsewhere, often at Israel.
the UNHRC has a strong anti-Israel bias.
And if it is there to talk about abuses they commit, then shouldn't Israel be a part of it?
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Edit: One of the main reasons for Israel to be there is to point out the failings of others, and to counter-argue its case. And I quite agree that the UN errs in not seating Israel like anyone else. But as many here note, the UN errs a lot, that does not mean you give up on it.
aranthus
(3,385 posts)He either really believes what he writes (in which case he is just a deluded nut) or else he is simply lying.
shira
(30,109 posts)aranthus
(3,385 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)Last edited Sat Nov 16, 2013, 11:07 PM - Edit history (2)
On 20 June 2007, Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon issued a statement that read: "The Secretary-General is disappointed at the council's decision to single out only one specific regional item given the range and scope of allegations of human rights violations throughout the world."[68]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Human_Rights_Council
Now to what could Kofi Annan be referring to?
Hmm, let's see from the same link...
The only people claiming to have no problem with the UN are those who are enemies of Universal Human Rights, supporting rogue regimes that use Human Rights as a political weapon. The following is but one example of the UN's blatant disregard for Universal Human Rights:
NEW YORK, NY -- Last week, the Third Committee of the United Nations General Assembly voted on a special resolution addressing extrajudicial, arbitrary and summary executions. The resolution affirms the duties of member countries to protect the right to life of all people with a special emphasis on a call to investigate killings based on discriminatory grounds. The resolution highlights particular groups historically subject to executions including street children, human rights defenders, members of ethnic, religious, and linguistic minority communities, and, for the past 10 years, the resolution has included sexual orientation as a basis on which some individuals are targeted for death.
The tiny West African nation of Benin (on behalf of the UN's African Group) proposed an amendment to strike sexual minorities from the resolution. The amendment was adopted with 79 votes in favor, 70 against, 17 abstentions and 26 absent.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/thor-halvorssen/united-nations-its-okay-t_b_787024.html
But, but....you say that Israel really does deserve the bashing it gets at the UN. How about that? Okay, but not at the expense of much worse that's going on, like Syria gassing its people...
UN Refuses Urgent Meeting on Syria Gas Attack, Slams Israel
#t=139
Now what possible problem could any leftwing, progressive human rights advocate have with a wonderful UN which rules it's okay to kill gays? Or a UN that coddles Syria after Assad gasses thousands, deciding instead to work on yet another redundant anti-Israel resolution?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)second time you've posted this stuff here some of it on this very thread , so where to begin
Kofi Annans statements predate the US rejoining the UNHRC after we rid ourselves of a Republican administration
This page was last modified on 16 November 2013 at 19:26.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Human_Rights_Council
your false statements about the UNHRC where Syria is concerned
UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay spoke two days ahead of the expected update from a UN panel probing for war crimes and other human rights abuses in Syria, including the use of chemical weapons. The 47-nation UN Human Rights Council, which authorized the probe, is likely to consider a resolution on Syria before the end of its session.
Read more at: http://www.firstpost.com/world/syria-un-human-rights-chief-condemns-use-of-chemical-weapons-1095773.html?utm_source=ref_article
UNHRC condemns rights violations in Syria
The UN Human Rights Council (UNHRC) Friday strongly condemned the continued gross, systematic and widespread violations of human rights and all violations of international humanitarian law in Syria and urged the government to grant immediate access to the UN commission of inquiry.
The UNHRC demanded that the Syrian authorities cooperate fully with the commission of inquiry, including by granting it immediate, full and unfettered access throughout the country.
"The council strongly condemned the continued gross, systematic and widespread violations of human rights and all violations of international humanitarian law by the Syrian authorities and affiliated militias, as well as any human rights abuses and violations of international humanitarian law by armed opposition groups," its said in a resolution adopted at the end of its 24th session.
http://in.news.yahoo.com/unhrc-condemns-rights-violations-syria-144805899.html
and I saved this for last you post a HuffPo article from 2010 and pretend it represents the present, it does not because in 2012
The Third Committee also retained language expressing deep concern over the continuing instances of arbitrary killing resulting from the use of capital punishment in a manner that violates international law, which some States led by Singapore attempted to have deleted. The Singapore proposal was rejected in a vote with 50 votes in favor, 78 against, and 37 abstentions and 30 absent.
The full resolution passed with 108 votes in favor, 1 against, 65 abstentions, and 19 absent.
http://www.hrw.org/news/2012/11/21/un-seminal-vote-gender-identity
ps that last one was drawn up by wait for it the very same UNHRC you attempt to demonize
http://geneva.usmission.gov/2011/03/22/lgbtrights/
shira
(30,109 posts)1. The Obama Admin constantly says that the UN's disproportionate focus on Israel is problematic.
2. You're pointing to UN statements of condemnation of Syria, not Resolutions.
3. Where were the Israel-bashing Human Rights posers back in 2010 when gays were allowed to be executed by the UN? They were supporting the UN for its disproportionate focus on Israel.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)your post that would have given the impression that it was and is still makes me wonder were you ignorant of the fact that the resolution was passed that included not only sexual orientation but also gender identity and was drawn up by the UNHRC, or were you hoping no one would notice?
shira
(30,109 posts)And where you and your Israel-bashing friends back in 2010 when it was permissable by the UN to kill gays?
Were you on vacation?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)I understand why
shira
(30,109 posts)You were wrong, as the bias and discrimination still persists. Obama's UN representatives admit it, as did Ban Ki Moon just a few months ago.
And your support for the UN prior to 2009 and since then has never waned.
I understand why you don't wish to expand on that more.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)oh well just business as usual
shira
(30,109 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)August 2013: Ban Ki Moon admits to UN Bias and Discrimination vs. Israel
http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/un-ban-ki-moon-did-not-mean-to-retract-statement-on-anti-israel-bias/2013/08/27/
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)also Ban sort of switched up on that one didn't he? From the link you've posted twice now
Read more at: http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/un-ban-ki-moon-did-not-mean-to-retract-statement-on-anti-israel-bias/2013/08/27/
shira
(30,109 posts)Robert Serry confirmed it.
You're now in denial despite Serry clarifying.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)it seems Serry was the one doing a clean-up attempt
shira
(30,109 posts)Your disingenuous attempt to put that into question speaks volumes to your support of continued bias, lies, and discrimination against Israel at the UN.
You support the UN's abuse of human rights as a political weapon, where gross violations worldwide are swept under the rug as Israel is scapegoated.
Shameful.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)after the first statement in Jerusalem(?)