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Related: About this forumTroubling Glorification Of Violence At Pro-Palestinian Event At San Francisco State University
Students attending a pro-Palestinian event organized by the General Union of Palestinian Students (GUPS) at San Francisco State University two weeks ago were invited to create placards using a stencil that read My heroes have always killed colonizers.my-heroes-have-always-killed-colonizers
The message, which seems to glorify violence generally and against Israel in particular, likely originated at an event that had been organized by the Center for Political Education in San Francisco (a program dedicated to building strong movements and the left through education, analysis, theory, dialogue, and activism) a month earlier.
That event, called My HEROES Have Always Killed Colonizers: Stories of Global Indigenous REZistance, was organized to commemorate Indigenous Peoples Day and featured musical and spoken word performances to celebrate every global indigenous warrior whos been labeled a terrorist, unpatriotic, and/or savage. In addition to African, Hispanic and Native American performers, at least one of the scheduled performers was to recite Palestinian political poetry at the event.
It seems clear that the two events use of the phrase is not coincidental. A Facebook page for the October event advertised that it will have on-site silk screen printing with the phrase My Heroes Have Always Killed Colonizers for people who bring t-shirts or other clothing items to imprint.
more @ http://blog.adl.org/international/glorification-of-violence-at-pro-palestinian-event-at-san-francisco-state-university?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=glorification-of-violence-at-pro-palestinian-event-at-san-francisco-state-university
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)After all, the colonizer is rarely so polite as to say "oh, this was yours? I'm terribly sorry, here, you can have it back, plus recompense for the trouble I put you through!"
shira
(30,109 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)It's a situation not too dissimilar from the "opening of the frontier" after 1812. The British withdrew their support of the Indians west of the Appalachians after the war, and the US encouraged colonists - "settlers" - to move out into the 'free' territory. No treaties or dealing with the inhabitants, they were basically assumed to be fauna rather than people. Naturally when hordes of Americans are sweeping into someone else's land, there's going to be conflict - the Indians target the obvious problem, the white colonists taking their territory and killing their game. In response to these "massacres," the United States throws its military out there to brutalize the Indians, and the increased "safety" from the military presence encourages more colonists to make the move west, furthering the problem.
One imagines that few of the colonists had any real ill intent towards the Indians out there. Several did, no doubt, and it's easy to guess most of them would have seen the Indian as an enemy, a monster in the woods, owing to the conflict between the people. They're the ones getting shot and axed, after all. And with some fairness, they ARE the ones doing exactly what the Indians accused them of. However, the colonists themselves were not the ultimate problem.
The problem was the colonizer - the United States. As Arcane1 points out below, there's a difference between colonizer and colonist. It's perhaps a wavering line, but it is a line. Without the policy and power of the colonizer, there is no colonist (we would call such people "immigrants" instead.)
The United States was, intentionally or not, utilizing its own people as human shields, a buffer zone between fairly powerful Indian groups to the west, and US power centers on the eastern seaboard. And after encouraging its people to go into harms way, the US would then exploit their deaths and privations as an excuse to wage war against the Indians - still with that buffer in place, preventing the Indians from responding where and against whom it matters.
shira
(30,109 posts)You don't seem to have a problem with the colonizers who were killed or who are yet to be killed.
So how does one know who is or who is not a colonizer within Israel or the W.Bank? Remember, even in the W.Bank there are Israeli Arabs living within settlements.
Do they have signs on their backs saying "colonizer"?
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Do you?
Just to check in, you do realize that, with the exception of Lubnah Morrar's poetry, and a Haitian dance troupe, this event is directed at the experience of historically and currently oppressed American ethnicities, primarily hispanic and Native American, right? it's... not actually an I/P issue at all. It's also an annual event, and it's a little telling to me that the ADL didn't care until a Palestinian-American poet was offered stage time this year...
shira
(30,109 posts)Last edited Wed Nov 27, 2013, 05:16 PM - Edit history (1)
And wasn't it maybe a year ago you were arguing against Israel's killing of civilians during combat? Now here you are saying it's open season on the Jewish colonizers.
So wtf?
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)You're contradicting yourself all over the place.
Here you appear to be cheerleading the killing of Israeli or Zionist/Jewish "colonizers". In a different thread, you agree that attacking these "colonizers" (with rocks, for example) is wrong.
How about some consistency, Ace?
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)I'm certain you're bright enough to understand an analogy when presented. Which is probably why you chose to ignore the entire post in your reply to it.
You still haven't answered my initial question, either.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)shenmue
(38,506 posts)They glorify killing as a solution. Why doesn't that bother you?
Oh yeah, they're talking about Israelis, it's okay to kill them.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)I guess I read "colonizer" as different from "colonist", though I admit I could be mistaken. I'm against killing in any situation that doesn't involve self-defense.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)are out to kill Israelis ? Well I guess ya learns sumpin new every day :