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R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 11:53 PM Sep 2014

The proportion of Gaza’s children who were killed should shock conscience of weapons-suppliers

http://mondoweiss.net/2014/09/proportion-conscience-suppliers.html

Over 50 bloody days of Israeli aggression on Gaza, these weapons, whether donated or sold to the Israeli army, have caused many long term tragedies to thousands of Palestinian families and vulnerable civilians. These American and Euoropean weapons have

* killed 2140 Palestinians, mostly civilians (about 43 Palestinians a day)
o killed 520 children (at least 10 children a day)
o killed about 300 Palestinian women (6 women a day)
o injured 3,312 children (at least 66 women a day)
o injured 2,120 women (at least 40 women a day)
* made about 30% of those injured disabled:
o at least 1000 children disabled (20 children a day)
o at least 700 women disabled (14 women a day)
* created a generation of 400,000 children who require immediate and long-term pyscho-social support because of the enormity of the mental damage suffered. Children’s parents also need some guidance on how to deal with their children.


Thank Bibi the Baby-killer for this...along with the MIC. Let's not forget this couldn't have happened without tacit support from good old Uncle Sham.
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The proportion of Gaza’s children who were killed should shock conscience of weapons-suppliers (Original Post) R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2014 OP
It should, but it won't. kas125 Sep 2014 #1
A quarter of those killed were children. A QUARTER! Scootaloo Sep 2014 #2
The IDF is very good at killing innocent children 4now Sep 2014 #3
Except that the US-led wars in Iraq and Afghanistan killed over 65,000 children oberliner Sep 2014 #4
What do you mean, "except"? Scootaloo Sep 2014 #5
Except it clearly has never "shocked the conscience" of the weapons supplier (i.e. the US) oberliner Sep 2014 #6
Fair enough, then. Scootaloo Sep 2014 #7
No logic in this post Mao Shung Sep 2014 #8
You don't know how to use math? n/t kjones Oct 2014 #13
Weapons suppliers first concern is the bottomline how much profit are they making azurnoir Oct 2014 #9
Everyone knows children die in war. Carlos Rodrigez Oct 2014 #10
sure in the same conflict casualties caused by Hamas 2.5% on the Israeli side were children out azurnoir Oct 2014 #11
Under azurnoir's logic, Carlos Rodrigez Oct 2014 #12
You are a narrator. bravenak Oct 2014 #14
 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
2. A quarter of those killed were children. A QUARTER!
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 12:19 AM
Sep 2014

Not just Bibi deserves the thanks. Not just the arms dealers.

Every man and woman who spoke, marched and rallied in "support" for Israel during this campaign of death and terror owns a little slice of the flesh carved from these children. This is what they supported. This is what they wanted. This is what they demanded. and it's what Israel delivers.

4now

(1,596 posts)
3. The IDF is very good at killing innocent children
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 02:38 AM
Sep 2014

Israeli soldier posts Instagram image of Palestinian child in crosshairs of rifle

End Israeli apartheid.
Boycott, Divest, Sanction.
http://www.bdsmovement.net/
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
4. Except that the US-led wars in Iraq and Afghanistan killed over 65,000 children
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 06:06 AM
Sep 2014

Over 50,000 children killed in Iraq and over 15,000 in Afghanistan as a result of the US invasions of those countries.

http://toobbox.com/blog/child-death-toll-of-iraq-and-afghanistan/

During the "Shock and Awe" phase of the invasion of Iraq, US-led forces killed over 300 civilians per day totaling over 6,000 by early April of 2003 - all directly attributable to US-led coalition forces.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
5. What do you mean, "except"?
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 03:21 PM
Sep 2014

Are you arguing that the US' crimes against humanity give Israel's crimes against humanity a pass?

Two wrongs make a right?

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
6. Except it clearly has never "shocked the conscience" of the weapons supplier (i.e. the US)
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 03:56 PM
Sep 2014

The US has never been troubled by killing civilians, including children, in pursuit of their (often questionable) military objectives.

 

Mao Shung

(55 posts)
8. No logic in this post
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 12:32 AM
Sep 2014

The headline is that "the proportion" is too high. Yet all you list is the the number of civilians, without saying the number of militant deaths.

If there were 2,000 civilians deaths, and only one militant death, then the proportion would be high.

But if there were 2,000 civilians deahts, and 50,000 militant deaths, then the proportion would be the lowest ever for a war.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
9. Weapons suppliers first concern is the bottomline how much profit are they making
Sat Oct 11, 2014, 02:46 PM
Oct 2014

I seriously doubt who these weapons are being used on ever enters the picture

 

Carlos Rodrigez

(69 posts)
10. Everyone knows children die in war.
Sun Oct 12, 2014, 12:52 PM
Oct 2014

If you want to criticize Israel for killing a disproportionate number of children, then you must cite another war where the proportion was not as bad. Without a frame of reference, there is nothing to criticize.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
11. sure in the same conflict casualties caused by Hamas 2.5% on the Israeli side were children out
Sun Oct 12, 2014, 07:52 PM
Oct 2014

of the 8.5% were civilians that is out of 72 Israeli dead 66 were IDF, 6 were civilian and 2 of those were children

so if you wish to go by numbers it could seem strangely that Hamas comes out looking better than Israel when it comes to civilian vs combatant casualties

not support for Hamas but the numbers do sort of speak

 

Carlos Rodrigez

(69 posts)
12. Under azurnoir's logic,
Sun Oct 12, 2014, 11:28 PM
Oct 2014

the key to fighting a war justly is to aim your fire at civilians, for this was Hamas' tactic, which resulted in just 2 children's death.

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