US rejects Palestinian speech claims. Says Abbas was offensive, provocative

[King_David]

NEW YORK — The U.S. State Department is issuing a tough diplomatic rejoinder to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas' United Nations speech that accused Israel of war crimes in the summer war in Gaza.

Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki (sah-ki) said the Abbas speech Friday included offensive characterizations that the United States rejects as provocative, counterproductive and unhelpful to attempts to restore trust between Israel and the Palestinians.

The devastating war in Gaza has weakened Abbas domestically, with his radical Hamas rivals in Gaza enjoying a surge of popularity among Palestinians for fighting Israel.

http://m.startribune.com/nation/277281841.html

[Jefferson23]

1. Offensive, provacative, counterproductive, unhelpful, but Psaki did not say, untrue. n/t

[Fred Sanders]

5. Exactly...attack the messenger who bears the truth of thousands slaughtered...ignore the message.

[King_David]

13. Do you think she was ignoring the message ?

What , if not the message , was she talking about then ?

[King_David]

12. Maybe get off an eMail and she can rectify that

I'm pretty sure there's lots of other things she left out too that you could suggest .

[Jefferson23]

20. That would be something for you to do, not me..I accept the fact that she did not say it was

untrue. I'm fine with her statement.

[aranthus]

25. So what? n/t

[azurnoir]

2. I didn't realize until I clicked the link that the entire article is posted

there is a more concise detailed accounting in LBN sourced from Haaretz, it seems the problem surrounded the word genocide

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014904675

[Scootaloo]

3. I'm sure Abbas cares deeply what the nation that funds the destruction of his finds "provocative."

[oberliner]

6. It's also the nation that gives Abbas hundreds of millions of dollars in aid

Not that that should matter, I suppose.

[Scootaloo]

19. Aid that would be unneeded if the same country weren't also paying a bounty for dead Palestinians

It's like saying that the Indians owe the army for the blankets and cookpots they get from the fort, while Custer's riding out collecting scalps.

[oberliner]

21. Nothing you've written here is accurate

It makes it hard to have a serious discussion.

[Scootaloo]

22. it's completely accurate.

Once again, you're mistaking "doesn't serve the Zionist narrative" with "not accurate."

Why does Palestine need aid from the United States, Oberliner? What conditions make this $600m necessary?

My guess is, it has much to do with a crushing occupation that has such features as land theft and resources, infrastructure and home demolitions, mass imprisonments and killings, enforced economic dependency, and a primarily economic blockade against a ruined and destitute patch of territory in the desert.

Who's conducting all that? Well, that would be Israel.

How does israel get the resources to conduct this oppression? Well ,at least $3bn of it comes from the United States per annum. It's not a secretive thing on either end - we openly mail the checks to Israel, Israel openly oppresses the Palestinians with it.

We are in effect paying Israel to destroy Palestine - very much including the killing of Palestinians. What do you call it, when you make repeat payments for the killing of things that you want dead? Well, that's a bounty, isn't it, oberliner?

For you to suggest that the Palestinians owe the US something for the $600m we give them, while we are giving five times as much, plus extras, plus weapons, plus political immunity, to the nation that is seeking to destroy Palestine? And that's the reason palestine even needs that aid? Well that's a little fucking perverse, isn't it?

It sounds bad because it is bad, oberliner. Wrap your head around it.

[oberliner]

23. The US is not paying a bounty for dead Palestinians

That's not accurate. Also, the Palestinian aid is needed regardless - so that is also not accurate.

The stuff about Indians(?), blankets, Custer, and scalps is just silly.

[hack89]

24. We are actually paying Israel for peace with Eygpt

Just like we are paying Eygpt for peace with Israel.

The money to the PA is a separate issue.

[King_David]

10. I'm sure he actually does . nt

[bravenak]

4. I'm sure he's horrified that the nation that funds the bombings doesn't like what he has to say.

Horrified.

[oberliner]

7. It's also the nation that funds Abbas's government

Helped bring the PA into existence in fact.

[bravenak]

8. So what?

With all the made in USA weapons being used on them... So what if we give a bare minimum of financial support. Is that supposed to absolve us of our crimes? Hmmm...

[hack89]

9. $600 million a year is not bare minimum

We are also the largest single donor to UNRWA.

[bravenak]

16. And I hope they join every commitee we donate to.

Just to get us to eithet stop donating and show who we are, or to be a neutral party.. Like not giving bullets to one side, and food to the other. They wouldn't need our charity if we would stop vetoing every un resolution against the occupation. We are complicit. We give the bare minimum.

[hack89]

17. If we cut off Israel then we cut off the Palestinians

I am good with that.

[bravenak]

18. Okay.

[Bohunk68]

26. Does that include all the "Black Budget"

funding by the DOD? If so, go for it.

[oberliner]

14. So he might care a little what the US has to say

He might not want to jeopardize receiving those funds.

[bravenak]

15. We will never actually stop the funds to either side.

We threaten, Israel ignores us, Palestine worries. And we send more ammo to Israel and far less aid to Palestine, no ammo. We have dirty hands. They should ignore us just like Israel does. Free Palestine.

[King_David]

11. Actually I'm pretty sure he does care what the USA says,

As does Israel .

As does just about the whole world.